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Old 09-14-2005, 02:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by project dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the sr20 motor can handle 550 WHP stock.

HOWEVER their trannies suck ( FWD) only put out about 300 before they shear 3rd gear. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I was gonna say just that... though evidently the newer 6-speed trannies swap right on and are much stronger.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cubish &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">weird swap.. pacific was the first to go 9's in a fwd nissan.. car is still running in the islands.. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea...they ran 9s back in 1999 (stock head and stock intake manifold). It was a silver 200sx which Andreas Miko helped Pacific build. The car is still running in Antigua.


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i like the swap in the del sol.

nothing special about the car above doing 9's (dont give me wrong, not saying 9's is easy) , that car belongs in hotrod(if its heavy enough) wheelie bars, tube chassis, lexan windows all around, major weight reduction, thats not a street car. Plenty of hondas running in street trim run 9's, I never see any 240's or sentras run even low 11's at events.
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there is no point in arguing this nissan vs. honda thing AGAIN. the two camps just have MUCH different ways of thinking. the SR20, in stock form is far stronger than a b series, you can't dispute that. many of you honda guys are showing your *** as well, why flame the guy for being original? are you the same guys who talk **** about LS1 FD's? the sr20 community is all about good power without having to invest ungodly amounts into built blocks, etc. the only reason you don't see crazy drag cars everywhere running 9s in street trim is due to the fact that a. there is not a suitable transmission solution for huge power that is reliable and b. nobody has the coin, many of these 400whp stock internal cars are daily drivers

ps: FI applications aside, in stock bolt on form, I have owned both the sr20 and now the B18C1, and my old '91 SE-R would stomp the **** out of my integra
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i give you one up for being different, but i think your crazy.
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maybe you dont understand how things were in the sport compact industry 6 years ago. there werent street cars running 9's and 10's like you see now. and the tracks in the islands arent nice like they are here. just like john browns old casrtol civic only runs 10's in the islands when it was running mid to low 9's here. any car can be made to go fast. if matt keller or jason hunt spent all the money they had into a hyaudai instead it would still be running low 10's or high nines. its all about having the money to do it right. some cars just take a little more. like 92 civics with 106hp from the factory were made to run 9's in street trim?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think Ben Benevido (sp?) ran 9s in his se-r. He still had full interior with a stereo, full glass, and drove it two hours to the track.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Incorrect, he had a stripped down base model 200sx with his 500+whp motor in it running a 10.34, he trailored it to the track, and home, I watched it pull in and watched it pull out, it was at firebird raceway in phoenix quite a few years ago.

Enthalpy in florida did 560+whp on stock internals on an rwd SR20.

That swap is gay considering it's a del sol, but they did a good job, and it looks nice.

Most SE-R guys don't buy their cars and throw their dicks on the table trying to see who go fastest straight down a track. They like to go around corners fast, hence the SE-R cup cars. If SE-R's did get to where hondas are, with drag racing, you'd see alot more SE-R's surpassing most B series cause we don't lack a major factor like the B series do....torque. Don't get me wrong, I love B series motors, I've been in and around them for years, and I know what they can do, and it is damn impressive.

BTW, this isn't nick aka slidingby, he left his SN signed on at my house
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SilCiv2K &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nothing special about the car above doing 9's (dont give me wrong, not saying 9's is easy) , that car belongs in hotrod(if its heavy enough) wheelie bars, tube chassis, lexan windows all around, major weight reduction, thats not a street car. Plenty of hondas running in street trim run 9's, I never see any 240's or sentras run even low 11's at events.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That car ran 9s here in FL back in 99'. The car was full chasis when it first broke 9s...Let us not mention the aftermarket support for Nissan was virtually invisible back then. To run 9s back then was a HUGE deal, so for its time it was/is a fast car.

BTW, why are most people so fixated on saying "my car runs 9 and it is street driven"???? You can make any car run 9s in 'street' form. Some people just want to make an all out drag car vs. street car...it is all about preference. Some people go as far as say that it is also their daily driver. Just because you drive the car 1 day a week doesn't make it a street or daily driven car.

There is many 240s and Sentras running 11s. Because you don't see them they don't exist? My Sentra @ 420+whp should get mid-low 11s....if I can learn to drive my car

Besides the tranny being weak in the FWD SR20 platform, the fact that STOCK SR20 can take much abuse is a main reason you might not see many full out high HP Sentra's. It gets to a point whether or not it is worth spending the extra thousand to buid the block for an extra 100whp or so. In other words, if you are going to build a SR20, they better be built for 700+whp because I'm not going to spend the extra thousand for a measly amount of HP. FEASIBILITY

Anyways, CUBISH and TXSR20DE pretty much sum up what I have been trying to say.
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don't forget about Matt @1fab...his coupe is still on the stock block and making over 500

that's an H series, but still honda
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I don't know what I'm talking about? err Ok.

Enlighten us, how does building the block net 100hp? I thought the block could support 550hp? You're Sentra is making 420hp correct? Who has a 900hp SR20DET? The only 180SX I've seen in person making anywhere near that power was the HKS 180 that had an RB and ran low 7s.

Any doorknob can make impressive numbers on a dyno and possibly even make peak power from time to time. If you trust the stock bottom end to make 550hp good for you. I wouldn't. The bottom line is that the pistons in the SR and KA are cast and all it takes is a bit of detonation to nuke the motor. There's an SR powered S13 in my area that ran 12s and probably made 300hp or so and he detonated on the highway and is in the process of rebuilding the engine.

The problem with Nissan guys is that they think they are breaking new ground with their SRs. Air in air out. I don't see what the point is in buying a badass turbo that has the potential to make 500hp and then say "I'm going to run it on the stock bottom end and not worry about it." Do it right or don't bother. The SR20 is not like the RB26DETT where it can make huge power on stock internals. Again this is my opinion and I'm building my engine with a built bottom end.

SR20s are cute too especially if you want to be considered trendy and cool as it's "JDM" and we all know JDM is the best.

These guys think KAs are cute too http://www.phatka-t.com/projectcars.htm

http://www.ka-t.org/rick/ 10 Second KA
http://www.ka-t.org/nx95240/ 461hp with 26psi

I think that the Del Sol having an SR is cool and judging from the setup it's purpose is for the street/strip. Anyhow this is a Honda forum Freshalloy has plenty of people the love to argue about nothing, go post over there.
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lol we were talking about fwd trim mostly but uh

i think what he meant to say its not worth it to spend a couple of Gs to SUPPORT an extra hundred horsepower

and who cares if its cast? yes its not as strong as a forged unit but back in the day people didnt even wanna boost aluminum block engine and our sr20de are all aluminum so i dont see where ur getting with this cast piston info, our compression is very low in the stock non turbo motor much less the turbo motor

and yeah the KA is good motor! never said anything bad about them seems to be a battle going on in the rwd nissan community

and if i dont keep this sr20det thingy i have and i build the block god sure knows its gonna be hell out there
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this is retarded. every car/brand has their pros and cons, they all have their crazy built cars and their slow cars. its a never ending battle, if it wasn't, then there wouldn't be so many different cars out there.

But i do have to say there are hundreds of hondas making over 300whp that are daily driven on stock long blocks. search around this board, 2-3 new ones are posted up each day
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dude this swap is pointless i beat my friends ser which has that motor with my single cam intake exhaust by 3-4 cars
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yeah this is just really a pissing contest lol i just like to talk ****

lol btw bring that single cam and race my buddies se-r with same bolt ons?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alloutmotor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah this is just really a pissing contest lol i just like to talk ****

lol btw bring that single cam and race my buddies se-r with same bolt ons? </TD></TR></TABLE>

why whould he need it even with my mods that motor is stronger then mines
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yes its a waste of time cause it will never make 800whp. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Enlighten us, how does building the block net 100hp? I thought the block could support 550hp? You're Sentra is making 420hp correct?
ALLOUTMOTOR already explained what I tried to say.

Originally Posted by S13Sean
If you trust the stock bottom end to make 550hp good for you. I wouldn't. The bottom line is that the pistons in the SR and KA are cast and all it takes is a bit of detonation to nuke the motor.
There is MORE than a handful of SR20s making that type of power on a stock bottom end and are very reliable. As a matter of fact, I drive approximately 90 miles daily on my SE-R going to work and school and my car hasn't hiccuped. The only major thing I've had to replace in my car recently was the brake booster. I wouldn't hesitate driving my car from MIA to NYC.

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There's an SR powered S13 in my area that ran 12s and probably made 300hp or so and he detonated on the highway and is in the process of rebuilding the engine.
Tuning is the key here. I run JWT ECU on my car and I have never heard any type of detenation. Did he get greedy and run too much boost on pump? TOO MANY variables to go ahead and try and blame the motor for grenading. Go on the SR20forum and you will see 99% of the people making 350-400whp are still running stock internals.

Originally Posted by S13Sean
The problem with Nissan guys is that they think they are breaking new ground with their SRs. Air in air out..
No...not really. Nissan guys are cheap. We are spoiled with stout engines...so why build it?

Originally Posted by S13Sean
I don't see what the point is in buying a badass turbo that has the potential to make 500hp and then say "I'm going to run it on the stock bottom end and not worry about it." Do it right or don't bother...
If the motor can handle it...why not? IF IT AIN'T BROKE...WHY TRY TO FIX IT? ::confused::

Originally Posted by S13Sean
The SR20 is not like the RB26DETT where it can make huge power on stock internals. Again this is my opinion and I'm building my engine with a built bottom end.
Why are you comparing apples vs. oranges? RB26DETT is capable of 900hp on stock internals....that is roughly 325% over stock. The SR20 has proven to go over 550hp on many occasions...that is roughly 240% over stock. Not bad for a 4 cylinder if I may add.

Originally Posted by S13Sean
SR20s are cute too especially if you want to be considered trendy and cool as it's "JDM" and we all know JDM is the best..

These guys think KAs are cute too http://www.phatka-t.com/projectcars.htm

http://www.ka-t.org/rick/ 10 Second KA
http://www.ka-t.org/nx95240/ 461hp with 26psi..
Yeah....my buddy Barney made 475whp & 425tq on his 240sx with 24psi on his KA powered by JWT ECU (no cams either).

I love how the 240 guys use the whole 'JDM trend' as a crutch to defend your almighty KA truck motor....NOW THAT IS TRENDY. What happen? Can't afford an SR?

Originally Posted by dcsports
dude this swap is pointless i beat my friends ser which has that motor with my single cam intake exhaust by 3-4 cars
Your buddy can't drive...PERIOD. I think even your Honda peers might agree with me on this.

Originally Posted by itsallmotorsir
by saying that sr20's can make 400whp is sure ******* weak sauce while b series can do that with stock aluminum blocks all day long. i dare a 400whp 240 line up against an allmotor 220whp civic drag or road and see who owns who.
No...actually SR20s make 500+whp on stock internals on cast aluminum blocks and internals (except crank).

Originally Posted by paul vang
don't forget about Matt @1fab...his coupe is still on the stock block and making over 500
that's an H series, but still honda
...and that is...1? Can anyone else name #2 for me? #3?

Guys, don't get me wrong, I respect all platforms. But to say one platform is better than another is just pure ignorance especially if you don't know in details the design and capabilities of it.

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Put it this way bro, bring your turbo'd ser 2.0 liter and race my 2.0 liter all motor car. I've raced fully built SE-R's and they still cant keep up. I like SE-R's in stock trim cause they have hp, torque and limited slip from factory. As soon as you start putting some power down, tranny's start grenading. I know about 50 people with SE-R's so I know where I'm coming from.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Put it this way bro, bring your turbo'd ser 2.0 liter and race my 2.0 liter all motor car. I've raced fully built SE-R's and they still cant keep up.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'll be happy to race you if you come down to Miami.
I can build a motor...does it mean I'm fast? NO! Can those SE-R owners actually drive? You might be quicker, but if a car is making more HP than you....Horsepower is Horsepower; He/She is faster. There is a difference between quick and fast.
BTW...you race them and shut down after 2 or 3rd gear? Or do you pull on them the whole way thru?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbocivic94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like SE-R's in stock trim cause they have hp, torque and limited slip from factory. As soon as you start putting some power down, tranny's start grenading. I know about 50 people with SE-R's so I know where I'm coming from.</TD></TR></TABLE>
50...really? That is incredible given that Nissan produced approximately 7% of the SE-R. The home of the SE-R belongs to FL/NY/CA....finding 50 SE-Rs that are currently in the racing scene is a huge claim. I've had my turbocharged SE-R for 2.5 yrs now and I have yet to grenade my tranny. My tranny has only seen the 5th gear popout issue which I quickly fixed. I recently upgrade to the stronger P11/B15 tranny for insurance....maybe your boys need to do the same
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Intresting.....
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About the only thing that you've posted that makes sense.

First of all the SR20 used in the FWD is the same as the RWD version mechanically. Secondly I'd put my money on a B20 turbo'd Civic against your SR20 Sentra.

The cast pistons argument is old and tired. Call Wiseco and tell them that cast pistons are fine for high performance applications I'm sure they'll disagree with you. Like I said before if you turst your engine with that sort of horsepower and cast pistons good for you. If you honestly did any sort of research into your engine before building it you'd know that you can have a bottom end with forged pistons and polished rods for less than what you stated. By removing the seams on the rods from the casting process and replacing the fasteners with ARP units the bottom end will be a lot more reliable. Boosting with cast pistons is like playing Russian Roulette sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't.

As for your comment regarding the KA being a truck motor, I have 150,000 miles on my "truck" motor and still run spray it and have no problems, try that on your SR.

BTW My EMS cost more than your engine swap bro.

I've wasted enough time on this thread. Earl needs to lock it.


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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SE-Rawkus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
BTW...you race them and shut down after 2 or 3rd gear? Or do you pull on them the whole way thru?

I let go at top of 4th gear.

50...really? The home of the SE-R belongs to NY</TD></TR></TABLE>

Bingo
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S13Sean &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As for your comment regarding the KA being a truck motor, I have 150,000 miles on my "truck" motor and still run spray it and have no problems, try that on your SR.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Been there and done that. Why doyou KA guys get so offensive when the KA is referred to a truck motor? Last I read, that was the purpose of the motor ::confused::

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S13Sean &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As for your comment regarding the KA being a truck motor, I have 150,000 miles on my "truck" motor and still run spray it and have no problems, try that on your SR.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Been there and done that

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S13Sean &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Boosting with cast pistons is like playing Russian Roulette sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't. </TD></TR></TABLE>
But eventually it will go KaBoom...right?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S13Sean &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BTW My EMS cost more than your engine swap bro.</TD></TR></TABLE>
And you are proud of that? LMAO!!!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S13Sean &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Secondly I'd put my money on a B20 turbo'd Civic against your SR20 Sentra. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Why not put down you S13 since you talk so highly of it? Not making enough power? Not fast enough? And you put an EMS in there? LMAO!!!

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