Turbo Ric

I am talking pro 4 cyl\ hot rod here. So what the deal? Since Gary left, no one has stepped up to the level of where he left off. He was doing great and running the # to match the fastest cars in the class. Still other in the H camp was far behind. Now that he is gone the gap is even greater. Have no one else figured out what he was doing to run the low 8 high 7 in the H product.

I mean If he did it, then obviously its possible.

DaveF

brian jiminez/ prodrag are capable of low8's 7's imo, just need a bit more time in the car and on the track, the car is still brand spankin new.

chuck seitinger(spelling) not sure what his car is doing, but i belive he could be the next guy to beat.

kenny tran, just isnt consistant enough. imo he might go lower than the 8.3 or 2 that he ran earlier in the year, but i dont think he will be able to run consistant 8.0's/high 7's. anything is possible though.

i think anyone that has a good engine combo, and a trans that will go rounds has a good chance.

CHEETAH

iTrader: (2)

I guess give some people some time to figure the K-series out ... when they boost that with 2.4 liters ... consistent low 8's

Greg

hondaguyef

I'm pushing for Kenny to step it up . I've always routed for him so, He's my pick. Setsinger(spelling) is a force to be wreckened w/ though.

Phil

Turbo-charged

what kind of power are those cars putting down?

DaveF

to be competitive against Gardella & Bothwell motorsports. we would need to be putting out at least 1,000 hp. 1200 is a good number to shoot for.

SYD

i would like some updates of the laskey car..and also what changes Sav has made..

cubish

i was just about to say, if laskeys car was out it would be something to keep an eye on

715civic

my vote is JOE DEMAREE SSC civic. he's always one of my favorite drag civic.

ninesecrx

I think we will keep up with them...

I am finishing up the wirring right now

HotRodTeg

Hell yea Mike get that crazy thing done. We need a Honda on top once again.

tony1

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I think Joe quit, said he's done racing...

DaveF

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are you for real? i hope Joe doesnt quit.

4piston

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Joe did NOT quit. We were just at the track with him last night when he was testing. Joe made some major changes to his setup over the winter and has just hit a speed bump that's all. He switched fuel, engine management, turbo, engine programs etc...and stepping up a couple hundred extra hp at that level brings all sorts of problems and extra costs. Last night looked like a step in the right direction and the car is making some serious power.

Its hard for a privateer to keep up with teams that are able to spend $10,000 a race (many of you other guys know this as well). If I was a sponsor looking for a car to support I would take a serious look at Joe Demaree. He is dedicated to this sport and he doesn't give up, he's one of the best drivers on the tree, he makes it to a ton of races, his car always gets great media coverage, and fans and media love him. He likes to talk and he loves to be involved. They are definately on the right track and just need a little support.

715civic

I agree with you. Ive been telling my friends and strangers.. If someone / big sponsor step up and help JOe. I know for sure he'll kick those million $ team butt for sure. but i believe he is anyways. again its always exciting to see SSC civic run and it inspire me to keep doing or hoping someday i'll be fast.. ahahaha...

Turbo Ric

Gary was not a major sponsored car either, But his financial situation may have been better or worse, Dont know. The thing that I am asking about is. why has no one else figured what he did and duplicte it with success. Other have the same trans so it cant have been that.

Eggum Racing

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Its hard for a privateer to keep up with teams that are able to spend $10,000 a race (many of you other guys know this as well). : </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not arguing, I'm just curious...
But who's actually spending $10,000 a race? Who are these million dollar teams? Gary didn't have a major deal last year and went 8.08, Chuck went 8.5x, etc..
And the teams that do have a "major deal", most of that money goes to the showmanship of the team, the expensive flashy rigs/motor homes, hospitality setup, pit setup, etc. none of which makes the car any faster. But it looks good, draws attention for the sponsor.

jdkindle

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he has changed quite a few things, but I can tell you he will not likely be traveling until he gets all the bugs worked out and can be competitive. It sucks to see small fields, but if everyone else is taking the same approach, this could be the calm before the storm and you could have full fields running 8.40's or better within the next year......thats if everyone uses their heads instead of rushing to hit a number

getnasty

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I'm not arguing, I'm just curious...
But who's actually spending $10,000 a race? Who are these million dollar teams? Gary didn't have a major deal last year and went 8.08, Chuck went 8.5x, etc..
And the teams that do have a "major deal", most of that money goes to the showmanship of the team, the expensive flashy rigs/motor homes, hospitality setup, pit setup, etc. none of which makes the car any faster. But it looks good, draws attention for the sponsor.
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well if thats all paid for.. then you can afford to put lots of money into racing... it cost alot of money just ot get to the tracks. pay to race food hotels and etc... so if its paid for then you have it made

Eggum Racing

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bottle fed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well if thats all paid for.. then you can afford to put lots of money into racing... it cost alot of money just ot get to the tracks. pay to race food hotels and etc... so if its paid for then you have it made </TD></TR></TABLE>

Trust me, I know exactly what it costs to go to a race. Again I was just referring to who these supposed $10K a race/ million dollar teams were. And it's not just having the money that makes the car go fast.

Kataku2K3

Kenny for now, I'm sure Bryan has more in it, and hopefully Laskey to take those GM mothaf*ckas out!

4piston

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I'm not arguing, I'm just curious...
But who's actually spending $10,000 a race? Who are these million dollar teams? Gary didn't have a major deal last year and went 8.08, Chuck went 8.5x, etc..
And the teams that do have a "major deal", most of that money goes to the showmanship of the team, the expensive flashy rigs/motor homes, hospitality setup, pit setup, etc. none of which makes the car any faster. But it looks good, draws attention for the sponsor.
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The teams with the flashy pit setups, hospitality rigs, and showmanship of the teams is what I'm talking about. $10,000-$15,000 a race and that is if you don't break and with getting all your tires, oil, gas, etc. for FREE! You have to figure in all costs. Not everyone is out there working on this for free as a hobby. Sure the privateer guys don't have that kind of money tied up in a single race, but they also are not nearly as prepared and they aren't competitive. Gary's team might not be spending that kind of money, but you might be suprised at what it does cost to maintain that team. You think Gary wasn't spending $5000+ a race tossing Honda motors all the time?

And I'm sorry but an 8.50 car is not an 8.0 car. Not even in the same ballpark. You can run an 8.50-8.90 car for $1,000-$2,000 a race. But when you step up a couple hundred horsepower to play big ball, there is a lot more cost involved in maintaining the reliability of that car and the team.

A team that only goes to 5 races in a season might be able to spend $600 in a weekend if they don't break and eat PBJ sandwiches...but go to 15 races and see what happens to the cost. Being in Hot Rod and Pro FWD doesn't cost a lot, being competitive in Hot Rod and Pro FWD does.

That's just my take on it. I'm not saying that everyone fast is spending that kind of money...but there are teams doing it.


Modified by 4piston at 12:54 PM 6/17/2005

4piston

Kenny is the only one putting the numbers up at all. He gave Gary one hell of a race earlier this season. It just wasn't enough.

blitz118

Why was Gary tossing Honda motors at every race? Are all the Hondas in the hot rod class cars blowing motors at every race and why? I can understand when John Force has to change a motor after each round, but why are the Hondas doing it in the hot rod class?

Is Gary and Bothwell blowing motors at every race?


Modified by blitz118 at 4:16 PM 6/17/2005

4piston

No not the GM stuff. Those motors last. But Gary said himself that in order to run low 8s, he at least was changing a headgasket every pass and often cracking the head from the gasket to the exhaust port on nearly every pass.

The truth behind that I don't know, but the man himself said it. I saw them change a few but I didn't exactly hang out in their pits after every pass.


Modified by 4piston at 4:00 PM 6/17/2005