Enzo-Racing

Really.

A real racer would keep quiet and build something better/faster and beat the so called shops and prove that you don't need to own a shop to go fast/and or win...

That's the difference between a real racer and a cry baby...

MrParks

here is a piece of advise from the wise.

no matter how much you got, best parts you have, and the baddest car worth competing with, YOU will never be faster then the next guy until you grow some ****en nuts.

SHUT THE **** UP. goddammit.

SkankinAz

Whatever happened to buidling a car for the love of the sport?

Seems like everyone is worried what Palo, TD, and Miller are doing. It also looks like people are building thier cars to win events for money and get a repuation of some sort and be "reconized".

Build your car within your budget. Get out and race, and have a good time with it.

Honeslty do you think that the small time NHRA teams cry when they have to run John Forces team or the Al Anabi Team? no, they line up and go at it. (kinda bad comparision, but whateva lol).

Stop worrying about what others are doing and just do it for the love of the sport. Because we all know Palo,Miller and the TD Autoworks crew do it for them same. THEY LOVE THE SPORT.

JRock637

I say leave all the rules alone in all the classes/organizations. Nothing has drastically changed in sport compact drag rules since say...2005? So let the bitches bitch and the baby's cry. If you keep changing rules for all these cry baby's for fwd rules it will aid to the death of the sport which is quickly on the rise as is. And then they will be crying why nobody changed rules for rwd/awd car's? **** will build up like a mud slide.

ExospeedAMcrx

I'm going to predict that this thread will die out within a week. And the topic will come back again before the end of the month or the beginning of May.

Come to think of it, its a 4 week cycle. Are you sure none of you arent women on their periods? Seems like this thing comes back up every 4 weeks or so, everytime someones on their rag.

BoostR41

Though I agree with most of your post the most major change in that time was NDRA folding and thus killing the power street class and the closest thing to entry level racing that was available.

I also agree that there should only be one thread like this a year and all others be locked.

I.C.C.

I love how the trend is continuing that the people with deep pockets, shop owners, and sponsored racers, and the nut swingers are the ones talking ****, and not seeing the real point here... My biggest complaint is not the rules, but more so the way they are enforced. If the rules were enforced equally and consistently, it would be a lot more fair to everyone... I wouldnt expect any rules to change to slow the class down or affect the racers already in the class WHO ARE ABIDING BY THE CURRENT RULES.

I do however like the idea of requiring stock transmissions (with the exception of diff and maybe fd) in the class, although I think this would be very hard to enforce.

Either way, I will be finishing up the tune on my car and going to the local test n tunes to get it dialed in and going straight, then we will see what happens when some events roll through that are close enough to home...

magik28

TSR EK hatch won there class running mid to high 9 and low 10. Car went rounds and won. Very far from 8 seconds everyone is worried about. Show up to your local events and have fun.

ExospeedAMcrx

Man we havent won **** since we started racing the coupe back in 2001. We've been racing the same car since 2001, through the whole SFWD era, Pro-AM IDRC and all that. We went year after year trying to catch Cortney and everyone else. We had always been 1/2 sec behind and we rebuilt the car year after year to try to keep up.
We were happy just to qualify back in those days.

We have just as much budget as most grassroots racers here. We never wanted to put the money into the car like some of the top guys do and thats our choice at the time. We raced because we loved to. To line up against the #1 qualifier and to try to take them out was part of the excitement of racing. We did what we can with what we had and we enjoyed it as much as we can.

Fortunately, later in the years we have received alot of help from companies such as Darton, Arias, Carrillo, Tilton, etc. We have never been the fastest, but we made our connections through the years and continued in the game relentlessly year after year.

Everyone wants a handout these days without working for it. They expect that they can be at the top level just because they have the same parts as the fast guy. Its not as easy as that. Some people just have more knowledge than others and its just a fact of racing life, so deal with it.

There will never be a level playing ground. There will always be the ones with deeper pockets. There will always be ones that have more sponsors. You don't see that many racers whining about classes in the West Coast because we race what we have. We're grateful for what we can possibly lose and we see it already happening.
Our own car is a 72mm A2A, 24.5x9.5x13 M&H on Hondata built under the standards of 2007. We're racing against guys with A2W, billet turbos, and we dont give a F. We're going to go out there and burn Miller or Tony on the tree if we ever have to line up against them. haha. We're coming out with what we have and going to compete against guys running 26s and we're not complaining. Be lucky you have a place to race where you are.

Its better to be out there racing anything than having to watch in the stands or staying at home.

4piston

Someone is always going to have an advantage no matter what the rules are. Making more rules just hurts everyone. There should be one turbo class wtf. I don't see all motor guys coming on here every week saying they need a new class for guys with 4mm smaller stroke or half mm smaller bore or whatever.

Your example of Pro stock is not the same, because they ALL are taking advantage of the rules to the fullest and running pretty similar setups. So their times look close relatively speaking. If you got beat by two tenths in pro stock you got yo *** whooped just like a 8.9 to a 9.9 in true street. If you come at the top guys with a 9:1 motor and a stock head and an old turbo and expect to keep up with guys running with a nice engine program and the latest billet turbo and who run their cars all the time....good luck.

LS AzZkIkr

So I guess a real racer just does what he is told by their master. So you mean to tell me that the 19-25 year old guys that will be the next generation racers that don't have mommy or daddy's wallet are stuck bracket racing at local tracks or index?

I am currently changing over my car from a REAL street car to fit the rules of t/s just to have my *** kicked or win by d/q or breakage. It's not the bigger classes that are the problem.

Joe Simpson has been begging for a real "entry level class" for the future of our sport. What is gonna happen when we are all in our 50's and still the only one's racing "rice burners"?

LS AzZkIkr

And I don't believe people want to change the rules just have a better or real street class and opposed to two index classes.

MARC P

^What is your idea of entry level turbo class, I'm asking for a et and mph?


Marc P

ExospeedAMcrx

They should have gone more aggressive and done a 57/62mm class instead of 67mm. hehe.
67 was way too close to 72.

BoostR41

I love how 99% of the people in this thread that are saying suck it up have trailer queens that never see the street. I didn't spend all this money over the last 13-15 years to have a car collect dust for 6 events a year. I'm going out on a limb and saying most of the budget guys didn't either. I think a 61mm class or .57 class would be great (on DOT's or 24.5's) but like I said in the last thread like this that was posted(ironic it was about a month ago) that no one knows me so no one really cares what I think.

Professor15

^^ if u feel like there's a need for a class like that. U should encourage ur local racers to speak up n show up and have ur local event organizer take notice.

MrParks

no matter what you do, or what the rules are, a competitive racer will do whatever it takes to go fast and go rounds. period. this is where some of you guys dont fall into sorry to say. im sure most of you guys should even be considering heads up classes yet. some of you guys need to crawl the chain before you start walking. bracket index and then come over to heads up when you start feeling like your ***** have dropped. i raced bracket for 3 years before i went heads up.

wanna put oem trans in the rules, we'll have to build spares just to have to change between rounds, go 57 trim. people will find ways to go faster. like i said, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEONE THINKING **** UP TO GO FASTER THEN YOU. hell noone still hasnt used the funny gas yet lol.

LS AzZkIkr

Doesn't really need a cap on et or mph to me. I know that high 10's to mid low 11's is a real nice and simple fwd street car to most of us. That is something close to what most people end up with once they get some experience under their belts. Just as I said before I think that the IFO's rules for FIS is a real nice street class. Just add any size radial for FWD's but limit the size of slicks and bias ply's and there ya go.

And for the most part here in my area the only event's i care to make and race are the IFO's. It seems to be one of the largest and most popular event's now with the exception of some MIR events.

BoostR41

we are lucky our local track has a sport compact night for us.

Cimburke23

id like to see a 23" slick, 235/60 bias ply, 61mm cast wheel, full interior, full exhaust, 2400lbs, current tags and registration class, i would change things on my car if that class came about. with that size slick you cant go but so fast. it would limit the class to a mid 10-high 11 class and that would be very entry level. you can now run mid-low 11s on a stock engine with the right tune, on pump gas so thats what i would say entry level is.

nonvtecallmotor

If some of you showed up and suported the local events, maybe some doors will open for you, maybe if enough cars show up to races a new class can be formed.

I know that how True street came about.

Lets face it 67mm is an entry level turbo. The first turbo I ever bought was a BB67mm and I drive it everywhere.

Lets stop bitching and start racing.

AllMoToRB18c

I really can't belive what I am reading. When will everyone realize that no matter what rules you have the guys that are fast now will continue to be fast.
IMO there is no need for a high 10sec to mid 11sec heads up turbo class. No need to have another heads up turbo class that is slower than the all motor class. To your average fan that just looks stupid. Those cars belong in bracket or index racing. Then when you get bored there or you feel your budget allows you to and you want to step up then that is what you will do. Half the people building outlaw/sfwd cars need to learn how to race as it is. Learn how the tree works,how to stage,how to courtesy stage, learn to pull over when you break/oil down, get better at racing in general. Everyone feels that there should be a heads up class for their particular car. Sorry but if you are 19 and can only afford a ebay turbo kit and run on drag radials then you belong in bracket/index not heads up. The problem is everyone wants the glory and fame of racing and winning in a heads up class but dont want to put in the time and effort it takes to achieve that. It's like "hey there should be a heads up entry level class for b18 swapped civics running a zex kit with motec system exhaust and steelies" Cmon fellas step up and put in the work and time it takes to be competitive in a heads up class or run index for now until you feel you can run heads up.

Im glad all motor guys/gals aren't like this lol

SpoolinDa

from a 3rd person perspective AllMoToRB18c seemed to sum it up pretty good.

MARC P

Love it Timmy. Lol

Fyi i worked hard for my motec exhaust.

Marc P

Silva Bullit DC4

This entire post is WIN.

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