Goodbye NHRA
05-27-2005, 10:03 AM
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Goodbye NHRA
Sponsors build racecars. Sponsors make the cars go fast. Sponsors engineer motors and build parts. Sponsors drive cars and break records.
Well, not in my world they don’t. To date I have two sponsors. One is the driveshaft shop, and the other is Vigg Designs. I’ve received axles from Frank, and some decals from John. The rest I’ve worked for. Sure, some guys get money from sponsors to BUILD fast cars, but there are those of us that are still grass roots racers, and we have the potential of outnumbering the pro’s if the NHRA and NDRA would give us a chance, and who knows, we might even be just as fast.
The NHRA is absolutely ridiculous. We were at the Atco event, and I think from a quick count I noticed a total of about 30 cars in the staging lanes. We fought through the liquid to air deal, and redesigned the car with a pretty neat CO2 setup, and then we muddled through the tire rules, and redesigned the entire front rolling assembly. We get to Atco to try and break the car in and get things tested and dialed, and then we hear about this ridiculous tire measuring standard. So we failed that because our car is fairly hefty and with all that weight on 6psi in the tires we are over the max width. So I guess lighter cars have two advantages now. They have better power/weight, and now they can run bigger tires. We have since re-installed the liquid to air intercooler and we will no longer be running in the NHRA. I think sometimes that people fail to realize most of us grass-roots street class guys really don’t give a damn about payouts. And if the next guy builds something faster, then I guess we have some more work to do. You want to slow the field down, that’s fine, but how does letting lighter cars run bigger tires slow the class down? We don’t have a million dollars to throw at our car, so we just got tired of trying to conform to their rules. So goodbye NHRA.
Now we get to my car in the NDRA power street class. I've been waiting all winter to try and get back into the game, and I yank out my MT 235/60-15's that I ran last year and now I’m told they are not legal. How can you, with a clear conscience, make up some ridiculous measuring standard to justify outlawing the company that didn't sponsor your event, and make the one that did mandatory for all racers? I look to the NDRA as a sanctioning body for the RACERS, not the sponsors, but I see that they might be following in the footsteps of the others. If you want this to be a game, where a few kids are going to get together and make rules up as they go along, then it will never be as big as you want it to be. My first lesson when I was umpiring baseball games as a kid was “If you are involved in the game, then you are not doing your job. This is about the players, not the umpire. The less you are noticed, the better you’ll be.”
God damn, I want to RACE. I want to be able to drive my car to the track and “run what I brung” for lack of a better phrase. I want to have fun sharing ideas and trying new things. I do not want to, and I will not, run around in circles and spend thousands of dollars chasing around a bunch of rule makers who are sitting in a room somewhere instead of being out on the blacktop where they should be. If there is something I can do to help, I will. If we can come up with a group of racers who are consulted and give input into rule changes then please try to make that happen. Just do something, because it seems to me you are starting to lose interest.
Sorry about the long winded post, but I would rather voice my frustrations to a group of my peers that have the potential to effect change, rather then bitch and whine to my boys Mark and Anth, because frankly, they are getting tired of hearing me.
Well, not in my world they don’t. To date I have two sponsors. One is the driveshaft shop, and the other is Vigg Designs. I’ve received axles from Frank, and some decals from John. The rest I’ve worked for. Sure, some guys get money from sponsors to BUILD fast cars, but there are those of us that are still grass roots racers, and we have the potential of outnumbering the pro’s if the NHRA and NDRA would give us a chance, and who knows, we might even be just as fast.
The NHRA is absolutely ridiculous. We were at the Atco event, and I think from a quick count I noticed a total of about 30 cars in the staging lanes. We fought through the liquid to air deal, and redesigned the car with a pretty neat CO2 setup, and then we muddled through the tire rules, and redesigned the entire front rolling assembly. We get to Atco to try and break the car in and get things tested and dialed, and then we hear about this ridiculous tire measuring standard. So we failed that because our car is fairly hefty and with all that weight on 6psi in the tires we are over the max width. So I guess lighter cars have two advantages now. They have better power/weight, and now they can run bigger tires. We have since re-installed the liquid to air intercooler and we will no longer be running in the NHRA. I think sometimes that people fail to realize most of us grass-roots street class guys really don’t give a damn about payouts. And if the next guy builds something faster, then I guess we have some more work to do. You want to slow the field down, that’s fine, but how does letting lighter cars run bigger tires slow the class down? We don’t have a million dollars to throw at our car, so we just got tired of trying to conform to their rules. So goodbye NHRA.
Now we get to my car in the NDRA power street class. I've been waiting all winter to try and get back into the game, and I yank out my MT 235/60-15's that I ran last year and now I’m told they are not legal. How can you, with a clear conscience, make up some ridiculous measuring standard to justify outlawing the company that didn't sponsor your event, and make the one that did mandatory for all racers? I look to the NDRA as a sanctioning body for the RACERS, not the sponsors, but I see that they might be following in the footsteps of the others. If you want this to be a game, where a few kids are going to get together and make rules up as they go along, then it will never be as big as you want it to be. My first lesson when I was umpiring baseball games as a kid was “If you are involved in the game, then you are not doing your job. This is about the players, not the umpire. The less you are noticed, the better you’ll be.”
God damn, I want to RACE. I want to be able to drive my car to the track and “run what I brung” for lack of a better phrase. I want to have fun sharing ideas and trying new things. I do not want to, and I will not, run around in circles and spend thousands of dollars chasing around a bunch of rule makers who are sitting in a room somewhere instead of being out on the blacktop where they should be. If there is something I can do to help, I will. If we can come up with a group of racers who are consulted and give input into rule changes then please try to make that happen. Just do something, because it seems to me you are starting to lose interest.
Sorry about the long winded post, but I would rather voice my frustrations to a group of my peers that have the potential to effect change, rather then bitch and whine to my boys Mark and Anth, because frankly, they are getting tired of hearing me.
05-27-2005, 01:22 PM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (jerseykid609)
The other car will be running Turbo 4 in NDRA, but my daily driver is only doing 11.8's, and in the T4 class thats not really competitive. I may just run it in open session just to put some times down, but I did like being able to compete.
05-27-2005, 04:23 PM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (TinySRT4)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TinySRT4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now we get to my car in the NDRA power street class. I've been waiting all winter to try and get back into the game, and I yank out my MT 235/60-15's that I ran last year and now I’m told they are not legal.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are these the radials or the bias ply tires?
Are these the radials or the bias ply tires?
05-28-2005, 08:17 AM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (aggressivemotorsports)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aggressivemotorsports »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rules are rules</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, rules are rules.. but when u have a car that weights 3100lbs and wants to compete in those classes its not easy.. I really do not want to strip my daily driver just so i could pass the tire inspection.. Also the SRT-4 could only run a 15'' rim to clear the brake caliper, only tire size that will equal a 25x8.5x13 would be a 26x8.5x15.. if not we would have to downsize to a 24.5x8x15.. on a heavy car making 600+whp and 600+wtq those 24.5s just dont cut it..
Last year they allowed the 26'' slicks..there was never a problem, everyone was running the same tire.. no complains..NOW new rules come, people have to spend time and money to try to figure out what tires to run.. everyone is unhappy..
why dont they just bring back the 26'' slick to the game.. everyone runs the same tires.. everyone happy.. end of story.
About NDRA and the Drag radial class.. we all knew that was gona happend.. NDRA was always sponsored by BFG's.. Imagine all the car's runing that class which is sponsored by BFG's and winning with MT's...
Yes, rules are rules.. but when u have a car that weights 3100lbs and wants to compete in those classes its not easy.. I really do not want to strip my daily driver just so i could pass the tire inspection.. Also the SRT-4 could only run a 15'' rim to clear the brake caliper, only tire size that will equal a 25x8.5x13 would be a 26x8.5x15.. if not we would have to downsize to a 24.5x8x15.. on a heavy car making 600+whp and 600+wtq those 24.5s just dont cut it..
Last year they allowed the 26'' slicks..there was never a problem, everyone was running the same tire.. no complains..NOW new rules come, people have to spend time and money to try to figure out what tires to run.. everyone is unhappy..
why dont they just bring back the 26'' slick to the game.. everyone runs the same tires.. everyone happy.. end of story.
About NDRA and the Drag radial class.. we all knew that was gona happend.. NDRA was always sponsored by BFG's.. Imagine all the car's runing that class which is sponsored by BFG's and winning with MT's...
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05-28-2005, 02:57 PM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (BlackSRT-4U)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlackSRT-4U »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, rules are rules.. but when u have a car that weights 3100lbs and wants to compete in those classes its not easy.. I really do not want to strip my daily driver just so i could pass the tire inspection.. Also the SRT-4 could only run a 15'' rim to clear the brake caliper, only tire size that will equal a 25x8.5x13 would be a 26x8.5x15.. if not we would have to downsize to a 24.5x8x15.. on a heavy car making 600+whp and 600+wtq those 24.5s just dont cut it..
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Everyone in the class has the same rules. I'm sure the tire situation will be squared away here soon. If I recall Ballard is running well over 600whp and running 9's on 24's. From what I have seen, the SRT's just don't hook up no matter the tire. Has anyone in a SRT even run a 10 second pass yet on any tire?
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Everyone in the class has the same rules. I'm sure the tire situation will be squared away here soon. If I recall Ballard is running well over 600whp and running 9's on 24's. From what I have seen, the SRT's just don't hook up no matter the tire. Has anyone in a SRT even run a 10 second pass yet on any tire?
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Don't want to sound like a jerk. Step up or step out. Rules are there to make the class even and if you can't build your car around those rules or refuese to than maybe that class just isn't for you. Not saying this with you, but there are too many excuses these days on why people are faster than others and its unfair I can't keep up with them... It all just sounds like blah, blah, blah to me.
So I say again step up to the game or just race brackets or something.
So I say again step up to the game or just race brackets or something.
05-28-2005, 06:46 PM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (Rtype16)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rtype16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't want to sound like a jerk. Step up or step out. Rules are there to make the class even and if you can't build your car around those rules or refuese to than maybe that class just isn't for you. Not saying this with you, but there are too many excuses these days on why people are faster than others and its unfair I can't keep up with them... It all just sounds like blah, blah, blah to me.
So I say again step up to the game or just race brackets or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree, The tire rule affects everyone in this class... My car is over 2700lbs with driver and is a tank compaired to a majority of the cars in the class... Weather i like the rule or not, we will have to make the nessisary changes so we can keep racing...
Mike...
So I say again step up to the game or just race brackets or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree, The tire rule affects everyone in this class... My car is over 2700lbs with driver and is a tank compaired to a majority of the cars in the class... Weather i like the rule or not, we will have to make the nessisary changes so we can keep racing...
Mike...
05-28-2005, 07:14 PM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (BlackSRT-4U)
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Yes, rules are rules.. but when u have a car that weights 3100lbs and wants to compete in those classes its not easy.. I really do not want to strip my daily driver just so i could pass the tire inspection.. Also the SRT-4 could only run a 15'' rim to clear the brake caliper, only tire size that will equal a 25x8.5x13 would be a 26x8.5x15.. if not we would have to downsize to a 24.5x8x15.. on a heavy car making 600+whp and 600+wtq those 24.5s just dont cut it..
Last year they allowed the 26'' slicks..there was never a problem, everyone was running the same tire.. no complains..NOW new rules come, people have to spend time and money to try to figure out what tires to run.. everyone is unhappy..
why dont they just bring back the 26'' slick to the game.. everyone runs the same tires.. everyone happy.. end of story.
About NDRA and the Drag radial class.. we all knew that was gona happend.. NDRA was always sponsored by BFG's.. Imagine all the car's runing that class which is sponsored by BFG's and winning with MT's...
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as said the rule changes affect everyone and the fact the an srt-4 can't clear 13" is a joke.. if your serious you will do what it takes to make your car competitive even if that means downgrading to smaller brakes. If your not willing to make certain sacrifices then you don't have any right to start bitching about some rule changes. Everyone is always looking for rules to accomdate them and their cars rather than build a car around rules. Ya rule changes can screw that up sometimes but usually the changes aren't that severe where its gonna take an entire rethinking of a car.
Yes, rules are rules.. but when u have a car that weights 3100lbs and wants to compete in those classes its not easy.. I really do not want to strip my daily driver just so i could pass the tire inspection.. Also the SRT-4 could only run a 15'' rim to clear the brake caliper, only tire size that will equal a 25x8.5x13 would be a 26x8.5x15.. if not we would have to downsize to a 24.5x8x15.. on a heavy car making 600+whp and 600+wtq those 24.5s just dont cut it..
Last year they allowed the 26'' slicks..there was never a problem, everyone was running the same tire.. no complains..NOW new rules come, people have to spend time and money to try to figure out what tires to run.. everyone is unhappy..
why dont they just bring back the 26'' slick to the game.. everyone runs the same tires.. everyone happy.. end of story.
About NDRA and the Drag radial class.. we all knew that was gona happend.. NDRA was always sponsored by BFG's.. Imagine all the car's runing that class which is sponsored by BFG's and winning with MT's...
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as said the rule changes affect everyone and the fact the an srt-4 can't clear 13" is a joke.. if your serious you will do what it takes to make your car competitive even if that means downgrading to smaller brakes. If your not willing to make certain sacrifices then you don't have any right to start bitching about some rule changes. Everyone is always looking for rules to accomdate them and their cars rather than build a car around rules. Ya rule changes can screw that up sometimes but usually the changes aren't that severe where its gonna take an entire rethinking of a car.
05-29-2005, 09:14 AM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (Biohazrd352)
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as said the rule changes affect everyone and the fact the an srt-4 can't clear 13" is a joke.. if your serious you will do what it takes to make your car competitive even if that means downgrading to smaller brakes. </TD></TR></TABLE>
"Rules are Rules" "Step up or Step out" "Blah blah blah"
We are serious, we not only changed the brakes, but the hubs and spindles and had to re-engineer the entire front rolling assembly. Obviously you don't have any idea what that entails. It isn't just a matter of slapping some smaller brakes on the car. We also tried to rip out the entire liquid to air setup and go with something different, but now we just don't want to bother.
As for the other replies that include some of the quotes I picked out, you are missing the point. My complaints are based on rule CHANGES, not the rules themselves. I am looking for a class for the do-it-yourself guys, a class that we don't have to chase around rule changes in. How does allowing lighter cars to run bigger tires make the class even? That is the worse supporting statement ever. And the way they handled it at Atco made me want to scream. That is why we are walking away. There will always be rules, but when they are made to suit the racing body and not the racers then that is the point at which I don't want to participate anymore.
My car hooks well enough. We pulled 1.80 60's in a 3600 lb srt4 and ran a best to date of 11.8. I've since played with the VE of the motor, changed the gearing in the trans a little bit, and i'm going to take it back out and go ***** to the wall and see if I can click off some low 11's. And thats just for fun.
I'm not going to take my ball and go home. I was racing well before this SCC scene got popular and i'll be racing after it dies. Like I stated before, when all you can draw is a 30 car field and about 100 fans in the stands thats pretty distressing. We are out here to have fun first, and compete second. If I was able to help change the rules then I would instead of just bitching, but i've seen that there isn't much professionalism involved. Just money. If you keep alienating the cars one by one, then we'll see where all the money goes when you are only drawing about 10 cars to the track.
as said the rule changes affect everyone and the fact the an srt-4 can't clear 13" is a joke.. if your serious you will do what it takes to make your car competitive even if that means downgrading to smaller brakes. </TD></TR></TABLE>
"Rules are Rules" "Step up or Step out" "Blah blah blah"
We are serious, we not only changed the brakes, but the hubs and spindles and had to re-engineer the entire front rolling assembly. Obviously you don't have any idea what that entails. It isn't just a matter of slapping some smaller brakes on the car. We also tried to rip out the entire liquid to air setup and go with something different, but now we just don't want to bother.
As for the other replies that include some of the quotes I picked out, you are missing the point. My complaints are based on rule CHANGES, not the rules themselves. I am looking for a class for the do-it-yourself guys, a class that we don't have to chase around rule changes in. How does allowing lighter cars to run bigger tires make the class even? That is the worse supporting statement ever. And the way they handled it at Atco made me want to scream. That is why we are walking away. There will always be rules, but when they are made to suit the racing body and not the racers then that is the point at which I don't want to participate anymore.
My car hooks well enough. We pulled 1.80 60's in a 3600 lb srt4 and ran a best to date of 11.8. I've since played with the VE of the motor, changed the gearing in the trans a little bit, and i'm going to take it back out and go ***** to the wall and see if I can click off some low 11's. And thats just for fun.
I'm not going to take my ball and go home. I was racing well before this SCC scene got popular and i'll be racing after it dies. Like I stated before, when all you can draw is a 30 car field and about 100 fans in the stands thats pretty distressing. We are out here to have fun first, and compete second. If I was able to help change the rules then I would instead of just bitching, but i've seen that there isn't much professionalism involved. Just money. If you keep alienating the cars one by one, then we'll see where all the money goes when you are only drawing about 10 cars to the track.
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (TinySRT4)
Mike like you say the rule changes is what really hurts the little guy. IMO these
changes cost me the chance to be competative at the last 2 NHRA race's. In this case the reason was money, I just could not afford to get the new I/C on and set
up in time. Well such is racing, I'll be back better then ever for the next race!
A note on giving up on NHRA, we really only have 2 large sanctioning bodies right
now, down from as many as 4. If we don't support these races were will we race
in the coming years? Agein I understand how you feel about the rules, I would
really like to see the Sportsman class rules very close to the same between the
sanctions, if they are smart they will see the light.
From a Sportsman point of veiw I like you just want to race, dosn't really mater
if it's NHRA, NOPI or a local event. It's hard to just find the time to get the car
together to make a race, now if I need to change it between race's things get
even harder. And if I have to spend money to become legal it becomes downright
painful!
Now a word on your setup, 500 hp, auto trans on drag radials. With the right tuning you should be able to run with the pack if not dominate. Your extra weight
might work to your favor in a traction limited class like this, the auto will for sure.
One last word on the SFWD/T4 car. This comes from a person who "reinvents" the
wheel at least once a year. Most of the time it just plain dosn't work or at best
gives little on track advantage. Get the car down the track with a conventional
setup first, nothing fancy. Once you get some hard numbers THEN start on the
cool stuff, you might just be surprised at the things you need and just as important
the things you don't need to do.
Good Luck!! Steve
changes cost me the chance to be competative at the last 2 NHRA race's. In this case the reason was money, I just could not afford to get the new I/C on and set
up in time. Well such is racing, I'll be back better then ever for the next race!
A note on giving up on NHRA, we really only have 2 large sanctioning bodies right
now, down from as many as 4. If we don't support these races were will we race
in the coming years? Agein I understand how you feel about the rules, I would
really like to see the Sportsman class rules very close to the same between the
sanctions, if they are smart they will see the light.
From a Sportsman point of veiw I like you just want to race, dosn't really mater
if it's NHRA, NOPI or a local event. It's hard to just find the time to get the car
together to make a race, now if I need to change it between race's things get
even harder. And if I have to spend money to become legal it becomes downright
painful!
Now a word on your setup, 500 hp, auto trans on drag radials. With the right tuning you should be able to run with the pack if not dominate. Your extra weight
might work to your favor in a traction limited class like this, the auto will for sure.
One last word on the SFWD/T4 car. This comes from a person who "reinvents" the
wheel at least once a year. Most of the time it just plain dosn't work or at best
gives little on track advantage. Get the car down the track with a conventional
setup first, nothing fancy. Once you get some hard numbers THEN start on the
cool stuff, you might just be surprised at the things you need and just as important
the things you don't need to do.
Good Luck!! Steve
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (RacerStev)
i with ya man i live 15 min from atco and was looking forward to being able to be competitive in sfwd. then the change the intercooler rule and don't announce it until a couple of months before the events.pro racers can change their setups with no problem but us grassroots guys don't have the money to just spend that fast and tune and everything. the fixed the tire deal which was bull..but i too am trying to get something together for a true grassroots racer to be able to compete on a semi-regular basis. something that is true to the sportsman not a dial in class for a sponsorship team.
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i have been following the tire problem now for quite some time, as i didnt buy any rubber yet for my car since it is not done.
I think i feel the same way as srt4. I wanna run my car, and have fun. Im not doing this to get rich, or famous. Just looking to compete at legal events against other like minded people. Brackets deffintely dont interest me, so i rule that out.
w/ that said, maybe there should be a heads up dot legal class that is "run what you brung" mentality. I.e.-- no payout or maybe an entry fee return for 1st place. any dot legal tire is legal, and all safety equipment--if running the numbers--also must be met-- ie.e bars/cage, fire suits, battery kills etc. think of it as a legal street race if u will. Something w/ more of a grassroots edge to it.
Thats my 2 pennies... take it for what it is worth.
I think i feel the same way as srt4. I wanna run my car, and have fun. Im not doing this to get rich, or famous. Just looking to compete at legal events against other like minded people. Brackets deffintely dont interest me, so i rule that out.
w/ that said, maybe there should be a heads up dot legal class that is "run what you brung" mentality. I.e.-- no payout or maybe an entry fee return for 1st place. any dot legal tire is legal, and all safety equipment--if running the numbers--also must be met-- ie.e bars/cage, fire suits, battery kills etc. think of it as a legal street race if u will. Something w/ more of a grassroots edge to it.
Thats my 2 pennies... take it for what it is worth.
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (RacerStev)
we "did" have a good starting point early on but the NHRA rule change hurt us as well as you, funny the only 2 cars with an A/W IC were the 2 neons and with your getting VERY competitive at years end last year kinda makes ya wonder...
with all of our original engineering and such back on the T4 car we finally have a tuneable situation, the intercooler as it was designed to be run is dropping AITs about 100 degrees F lower than the CO2, I can finally tune the car in and we should be competitive at the next NOPI race. cant wait to see some of you guys at the next race...
mark
with all of our original engineering and such back on the T4 car we finally have a tuneable situation, the intercooler as it was designed to be run is dropping AITs about 100 degrees F lower than the CO2, I can finally tune the car in and we should be competitive at the next NOPI race. cant wait to see some of you guys at the next race...
mark
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (nsxmatt)
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Everyone in the class has the same rules. I'm sure the tire situation will be squared away here soon. If I recall Ballard is running well over 600whp and running 9's on 24's. From what I have seen, the SRT's just don't hook up no matter the tire. Has anyone in a SRT even run a 10 second pass yet on any tire? </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not bitching about the rules.. just that they keep changing them.. that's all
Yes Brian makes well over 600whp.. SRT's make more tq then power.. Look at my sig... i make way more tq then HP... now put a honda with that same tq with 24s... see what it runs...
SRT's hook.. mine is an 03.. no LSD.. 1.7 sixty foot has been my best so far.. on a 3180lbs car..
Everyone in the class has the same rules. I'm sure the tire situation will be squared away here soon. If I recall Ballard is running well over 600whp and running 9's on 24's. From what I have seen, the SRT's just don't hook up no matter the tire. Has anyone in a SRT even run a 10 second pass yet on any tire? </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not bitching about the rules.. just that they keep changing them.. that's all
Yes Brian makes well over 600whp.. SRT's make more tq then power.. Look at my sig... i make way more tq then HP... now put a honda with that same tq with 24s... see what it runs...
SRT's hook.. mine is an 03.. no LSD.. 1.7 sixty foot has been my best so far.. on a 3180lbs car..
05-30-2005, 06:29 AM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (Rtype16)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rtype16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't want to sound like a jerk. Step up or step out. Rules are there to make the class even and if you can't build your car around those rules or refuese to than maybe that class just isn't for you. Not saying this with you, but there are too many excuses these days on why people are faster than others and its unfair I can't keep up with them... It all just sounds like blah, blah, blah to me.
So I say again step up to the game or just race brackets or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I did have it set up .. and unfortunately they changed the rules..
This is my Daily driver.. unlike most of the guy running this class, i turn the boost down , change the slicks for street tires and drive home...
No one is trying to build a car around rules.. we are trying to keep complying by them but if they keep changing how can we keep up?
I know i will be never faster then most of the guys on here.. but i would like to atleast try to compete..
So I say again step up to the game or just race brackets or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I did have it set up .. and unfortunately they changed the rules..
This is my Daily driver.. unlike most of the guy running this class, i turn the boost down , change the slicks for street tires and drive home...
No one is trying to build a car around rules.. we are trying to keep complying by them but if they keep changing how can we keep up?
I know i will be never faster then most of the guys on here.. but i would like to atleast try to compete..
05-30-2005, 07:17 AM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (Mark@Psi-Fi Motorsports)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mark@Psi-Fi Motorsports »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> funny the only 2 cars with an A/W IC were the 2 neons and with your getting VERY competitive at years end last year kinda makes ya wonder...
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Funny nearly 100% of the street cars you see run a air to air. They made that rule to keep it a street class and not make everyone have to go to having a ice tank in their pass floorboard to be competitive. It has nothing to do with the cars it was on because there were Hondas running them last year, the ZEX crx to name one.
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Funny nearly 100% of the street cars you see run a air to air. They made that rule to keep it a street class and not make everyone have to go to having a ice tank in their pass floorboard to be competitive. It has nothing to do with the cars it was on because there were Hondas running them last year, the ZEX crx to name one.
05-30-2005, 07:48 AM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (BlackSRT-4U)
Sounds like you just chose the wrong car to compete with. All I see in this post is more boo-hooing about how the rules don't favor their car, or how their car is more expensive to make it competitive. The rules were put in place to make it easier/less expensive for someone who is currently trying to build their car for SFWD. The SRT already came stock with an air/air intercooler. All you really needed to do was add slicks and roll bar to compete in the class. The drivetrain/suspension parts to put smaller brakes on it come cheap from the J-yard. I know, 'cuz I did it already. That seems to be a pretty good advantage compared to guys that have to build a complete motor/turbo kit/drivetrain from scratch in order to compete. If you were planning to build a 9 second car from the get go, you should've started out with a $300 car instead of a $22,000.00 car.
Just my personal observation.
Just my personal observation.
05-30-2005, 09:40 AM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (TinySRT4)
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"Rules are Rules" "Step up or Step out" "Blah blah blah"
We are serious, we not only changed the brakes, but the hubs and spindles and had to re-engineer the entire front rolling assembly. Obviously you don't have any idea what that entails. It isn't just a matter of slapping some smaller brakes on the car. We also tried to rip out the entire liquid to air setup and go with something different, but now we just don't want to bother.
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well i'm not to familiar on your setup so please correct me if i'm wrong but these are street cars we are talking about here so what exactly re-engineering of the front rolling assembly did you do...?
"Rules are Rules" "Step up or Step out" "Blah blah blah"
We are serious, we not only changed the brakes, but the hubs and spindles and had to re-engineer the entire front rolling assembly. Obviously you don't have any idea what that entails. It isn't just a matter of slapping some smaller brakes on the car. We also tried to rip out the entire liquid to air setup and go with something different, but now we just don't want to bother.
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well i'm not to familiar on your setup so please correct me if i'm wrong but these are street cars we are talking about here so what exactly re-engineering of the front rolling assembly did you do...?
05-30-2005, 11:47 AM
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uncalled for man.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by espanol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if i drove a neon i'd be crying too.</TD></TR></TABLE>
05-30-2005, 02:35 PM
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Re: Goodbye NHRA (Biohazrd352)
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well i'm not to familiar on your setup so please correct me if i'm wrong but these are street cars we are talking about here so what exactly re-engineering of the front rolling assembly did you do...? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, I have 2 cars. One car is running in T4/SFWD. In that class, there is a tire restriction that, even though no one can figure out NHRA's measure standard yet, says you can't run a tire larger then 25" I believe, correct me on the size if i'm wrong. The only 25" wide tire comes in a 13" rim diameter. To fit a 13" wheel on the SRT4 you have to replace the entire hub/brake system with one off the first gen neon. It's not as simple as a swap however, so there is some fabrication involved.
My personal car, which has about 40k miles on the stock motor, is running in Power Street. We've done a best of about 11.8 with all bolt on parts. We've since stepped up to a slightly larger turbo and are running about 30psi of boost. My problem is that I just spent over $400 on a set of tires that are exactly the same as the ones that I ran last year. Now apparently they are illegal. That money came out of my own pocket and even though $400 may not be a lot to some, it is a good bit of cash for me.
well i'm not to familiar on your setup so please correct me if i'm wrong but these are street cars we are talking about here so what exactly re-engineering of the front rolling assembly did you do...? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, I have 2 cars. One car is running in T4/SFWD. In that class, there is a tire restriction that, even though no one can figure out NHRA's measure standard yet, says you can't run a tire larger then 25" I believe, correct me on the size if i'm wrong. The only 25" wide tire comes in a 13" rim diameter. To fit a 13" wheel on the SRT4 you have to replace the entire hub/brake system with one off the first gen neon. It's not as simple as a swap however, so there is some fabrication involved.
My personal car, which has about 40k miles on the stock motor, is running in Power Street. We've done a best of about 11.8 with all bolt on parts. We've since stepped up to a slightly larger turbo and are running about 30psi of boost. My problem is that I just spent over $400 on a set of tires that are exactly the same as the ones that I ran last year. Now apparently they are illegal. That money came out of my own pocket and even though $400 may not be a lot to some, it is a good bit of cash for me.