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Old 08-16-2012, 12:27 PM
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Because Nissan FTMFW!!! hehehehe

But its true, with all the stuff companies like AMS and people like John Sheppard are putting out for this car, the results are outstanding. Two Alpha 12 gtr 100% full weight street cars in the 8's at 165mph daily driven is pretty impressive to me and yes the money is there for sure. People that own them are not cheapskates like a lot of people in the FWD import catagory of things.

Anyways, Nice comparison and real world testing between the fuels Tony....And keep up that good work on the GTR's
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Im surprised there are enough GTRs to keep you busy vs Hondas.
btw- Is that only 40% injector duty?
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No, WG duty.

We have 7 GTRs here right now, 5 of them over 1000whp. I haven't had less than 5 GTRs here in over a year. There's more than enough of them out there that need good work and only a small handful of shops doing quality work on them. We do a lot of stuff from out of state, they're not all local. It's weird, we have more GTR work than we ever had Honda work. Most Honda guys want to do stuff themselves or take it to whoever is the cheapest, and that's not us. GTR guys want quality work and understand that that costs money.
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Originally Posted by tony1
No, WG duty.

We have 7 GTRs here right now, 5 of them over 1000whp. I haven't had less than 5 GTRs here in over a year. There's more than enough of them out there that need good work and only a small handful of shops doing quality work on them. We do a lot of stuff from out of state, they're not all local. It's weird, we have more GTR work than we ever had Honda work. Most Honda guys want to do stuff themselves or take it to whoever is the cheapest, and that's not us. GTR guys want quality work and understand that that costs money.
I'm pretty sure you dont have to deal with alot of "negotations" on pricing and stuff like that.. I know when someone comes to me about pricing and tries to haggles me, it really insults me..

Quality cost..time cost.. Even the Porsche and Audi work that I do, sometimes produces more income then my honda work.. because that crowd knows what they bought.. If you buy a 70,80,90k car, expect to spend a good chunk of change on modifications..

Looks great tony, i hope to try this fuel sometime soon on my car as well..i know a few of my close friends have used it with success.
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Originally Posted by tony1
No, WG duty.

We have 7 GTRs here right now, 5 of them over 1000whp. I haven't had less than 5 GTRs here in over a year. There's more than enough of them out there that need good work and only a small handful of shops doing quality work on them. We do a lot of stuff from out of state, they're not all local. It's weird, we have more GTR work than we ever had Honda work. Most Honda guys want to do stuff themselves or take it to whoever is the cheapest, and that's not us. GTR guys want quality work and understand that that costs money.
Amen.
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Trust me, I will own a GTR one day. Nissan really did a great thing bringing back the GTR and continuing the platform. And didnt screw up and not bring it to the states like the previous siblings.

Now if they could only get the rest of their lineup right and not so hideous looking.
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Originally Posted by ashtons300zx
Because Nissan FTMFW!!! hehehehe

But its true, with all the stuff companies like AMS and people like John Sheppard are putting out for this car, the results are outstanding. Two Alpha 12 gtr 100% full weight street cars in the 8's at 165mph daily driven is pretty impressive to me and yes the money is there for sure. People that own them are not cheapskates like a lot of people in the FWD import catagory of things.

Anyways, Nice comparison and real world testing between the fuels Tony....And keep up that good work on the GTR's
Daily driven cars in the 8's is nuts
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I believe most are doing it on stock axles, diffs and so on if im not mistaken. Once you take care of the gears in the trans they are pretty much bullet proof. Really havent heard any more about trans failures once the gears were replaced with John Sheps stuff or a couple others like Albins and so on.

Maybe tony can chime in a little more.

Either way, very impressive. Cruise around on a summer day with a/c blasting, go to the track that night, bust off a high 8 low 9 second pass or 5 and go home. Cant beat that and for a fraction of what most other supercars cost that arnt nearly as fast.
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Dream job making parts and tuning stuff like that, no day would ever be boring.
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Originally Posted by tony1
No, WG duty.

We have 7 GTRs here right now, 5 of them over 1000whp. I haven't had less than 5 GTRs here in over a year. There's more than enough of them out there that need good work and only a small handful of shops doing quality work on them. We do a lot of stuff from out of state, they're not all local. It's weird, we have more GTR work than we ever had Honda work. Most Honda guys want to do stuff themselves or take it to whoever is the cheapest, and that's not us. GTR guys want quality work and understand that that costs money.

Good to hear things are going well for you and the shop. Wait until the economy turns around.
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Crazy gains from just a fuel swap!
Did you have to add or decrease fuel to get the same afr?
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Requires 10-15% more fuel than E98 from my testing. If you're making any considerable amount of power it's going to take 8 injectors.
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Tony on this fuel how far do you thing 3000cc will go.
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Does it drop engine temps similar to what E98 does when switching from gas?
Is there a nasty film on the engine internals after use?
Need to wear a mask to tune?

Thanks Tony
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whats the BSFC?
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Originally Posted by tony1
Requires 10-15% more fuel than E98 from my testing. If you're making any considerable amount of power it's going to take 8 injectors.
Wow, now that's intriguing.
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Skeptic here. I think the fuel makes power but many people can brew up these mixtures at home, whether they are reliable or legal in sanctioned events is the real question here.

So obviously it's not nitro but there are always mixtures you can use to increase power similar to how nitro meth increases power with just fuel alone. The real reason people don't run these mixtures is because they are not legal in racing. Will this fuel pass the test as e85 or race gas?
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takes more fuel means it needs less oxygen... and if it makes more power with more fuel/less oxygen that means the fuel contains the oxygen it needs...
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Default Re: FTW Purple vs E98 in the T1 Integra

Originally Posted by Julio@Bisimoto
Wow, now that's intriguing.
if he had someone of those bisi 2000cc injectors i bet they would swell lol






Tony good testing! glad to see the data and not just "trust" the dyno graph. Guess were about to see FTW fuel blow up and whoever is running the fastest will be running it.
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Originally Posted by hybrdthry911
Skeptic here. I think the fuel makes power but many people can brew up these mixtures at home, whether they are reliable or legal in sanctioned events is the real question here.

So obviously it's not nitro but there are always mixtures you can use to increase power similar to how nitro meth increases power with just fuel alone. The real reason people don't run these mixtures is because they are not legal in racing. Will this fuel pass the test as e85 or race gas?
Yes it passes every test. Clutch master allmotor car has ran this all season and won 5 events in a row and they check the fuel every round!
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Default Re: FTW Purple vs E98 in the T1 Integra

Originally Posted by hybrdthry911
Skeptic here. I think the fuel makes power but many people can brew up these mixtures at home, whether they are reliable or legal in sanctioned events is the real question here.

So obviously it's not nitro but there are always mixtures you can use to increase power similar to how nitro meth increases power with just fuel alone. The real reason people don't run these mixtures is because they are not legal in racing. Will this fuel pass the test as e85 or race gas?
yes it passes and nothing illegal has shown up.

The FTW "Clear" is E90 and has not been produced to the public yet.
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Originally Posted by hybrdthry911
So obviously it's not nitro but there are always mixtures you can use to increase power similar to how nitro meth increases power with just fuel alone. The real reason people don't run these mixtures is because they are not legal in racing. Will this fuel pass the test as e85 or race gas?
So school us, i'd love to hear how to make a better fuel on my own that works well. I run lots of events with no fuel rules, as do many others.

Lets be real, the reason people aren't mixing up their own brews has nothing to do with rules....
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Yes it passes every test. Clutch master allmotor car has ran this all season and won 5 events in a row and they check the fuel every round!
They don't check any of the allmotor street cars at the ogs race the onlyrace they will check fuel will be the shoot out so no loan car has never had her fuel checked


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