guy_from_nerk

The safety rules are more on the track not being on top of their game than it being an IFO problem. With that said, if they want it to be a "street car" class, then they should eliminate slicks all together, idk many cars running around town on full fledge slicks all the time. Also, factory turbo cars are at an advantage in that class, since they can also run nitrous as their 1 power adder. Not my event, so I won't get too deep with it as I have in the past and got chastised by some people on here. I just know I won't be competing at IFO events this year because of the change, i'll hit up some test and tune dates at my track instead.

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I was thinking the same thing .. Make a another class for the cars that are slower in the FIS so they can do some heads up and not have to run index .. A drag radial class would be very cool IMO but I wonder how popular it would get?

Turbo-LS

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Radials are harsh on the drivetrain with big power fwd and lose on the big end.

It's Forced Induction Sport. Not street. The limitations are there just some people choose to build a car that'll maximize those limitations and some choose to build a daily driver that still meets the class rules. We started a street car at 550hp two years ago we progressed quickly because we have a passion for the sport and wanted to better our selves that's what everyone has to do to go faster otherwise just be happy with your setup and what it runs and enjoy your selves at the race. Do I hate having to spend money on a downpipe you bet your *** but I want to stay in the rules so I'll do it. Plus now I can shed some weight wth this carbon hood I've had for two years sitting in the shed and go faster.

BoostR41

I don't understand why anyone making 800hp would want to run fis. Personally I think the new 62mm turbos are too much for this class. It shoul be a mid 10 second street car class. 60mm should be the limit though the gen2s are rated at 750. Maybe make it a no external pump class?

DA 4 Lyfe

I think the rules should be a tweaked a little bit. Keep it a 62mm class but make a weight requirement. I agree with the 800hp comment to a certain extent. I've seen way too many track only cars that throw a 62mm turbo on for the FIS class that usually run with a 6466 or bigger turbo and slap a REG on the car just to meet the requirements for the day. If a weight limit was added to the rule book then HP should not matter. Making it a drag radial class would lose interest quickly IMO because a TON of REAL street cars do actually drive to the track and swap over to slicks

Turbo-LS

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My car weighs just shy of 2700lbs boys. Step up your game. life isn't always fair and neither is racing. I got my *** handed to me two years ago at 550. I wanted more and wanted to go faster so I set out to make it happen. Do I want to stay in FIS no. I just can't afford to run FWD class so I'm still within the class requirements and staying there until I can afford to run a dog box and 72mm turbo.

My car is full interior. Nothing is cut out just what could be unbolted is. No ps no ac but two years ago it had air conditioning and power steering and I drove it on the street. Can I street drive my car right now yes I can. It's registered and insured. Do I street drive it ? No I don't I choose not to. It's an investment and id rather not hope some uninsured idiot smashes into my car and ruin it.

Also when we built my car and engine the goal was to run consistant ten second passes and have fun. We were shooting for 600hp. We out the car on the dyno to get the tuning done and it made 707@19 pounds of boost. It was a freak of nature. We didn't even believe it till we went to the track and clicked off 154moh pass. We were all in shock. We also ran mid 10'smwith that kind of power for a while until we fill figures out how to make the car hook up and that's when the car started dropping ET's. Once I got in the car and it went 150+mph there was no turning back. I wanted more and faster. If your a true drag racer you can understand what I'm saying. You always set and goal and when you reach that goal or just completely blow by it your hooked for life

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Let me clarify.... My thoughts on them making another class were so they could leave the rules in FIS alone... not complaining ...don't care ... I like seeing you and everyone else hitting faster and faster times... for example you spending money on having to change to the DP I don't think that's fair ... $$$ doesn't grow on trees.. well maybe in Colorado but not in FL haha but anyway it was just a thought...

Turbo-LS

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Another class would be good but idk if that'll happen. It would be more of an index class I think and I don't think Cliff wants to do that plus the bigger events like WCF are doing away with index classes too but it would be a good class and what would happen is FIS will end up looking like fwd class at most events barely enough cars to run the class and have a payout. I really want to run fwd I just don't have the extra 10grand to make the car competitive in the class. It's an expensive jump

AZ_CIVIC

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No matter what the cars will get faster and faster, I ran a 10.0 with a 61mm t3t61 off the shelf journal bearing turbo. According to the person that created this thread they ran a 9.59 with a 61mm turbo and only 650 horsepower and stock trans.

I myself have made the change now to go with a 62mm turbo and think it will get me around the 850whp mark. I most likely won't be using all the power since I only have Liberty Face Plated Gears but heck my next purchase is a real dox box. I will continue to run the FIS class mainly because I do not want to step up into the 72mm world. You have to have a lot of money to be competitive in FWD. My tuner Locash was in the outlaw class and ran an 8.20 on his 72mm setup and has over 100k into the car. He now runs in the FWD class because he is on a 24.5 inch slick but everything else stayed the same and is now in the 8.8's and getting faster each time.

For me, I have more fun just running Friday Night drags than running at IFO events. Not because IFO events suck but because I just like being out having fun, when an IFO event is around I go out and have fun as well. I don't really care if I win or lose mainly because the payout is only 300 bucks. Either way I like seeing these classes get faster and faster because to me that means better parts are coming out that allow these cars to go faster and faster.

Turbo-LS

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Exactly to step up to the next level is costly AND it's more expensive to maintain. It's already expensive to maintain the car. Luckily I got a bunc of gear stacks a couple years ago for a good deal but there running out and soon I'll be out of gears and will have to start buying 3/4 gears whiche I'll get costly as well. Saving up for a dog box because changing transmissikns every couple events is already getting old. Hope to have one this year but who knows

Turbo-LS

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Please excuse my typing. I'm on my phone and have sausage fingers lol

CDecker0218

Why not jump upto FIP then? I see people running mid 9's all day in that class and if you cut weight you should be going even faster!

AZ_CIVIC

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Forced Induction Pro rules below

POWER ADDERS
Turbochargers (limit 76.9 single/62.9 twins 6 cyl or rotary auto - 80.9 single 4 cyl - 88.9mm single 6 cyl or rotary H pattern manual - 80.9mm single cast 6 cyl auto), Superchargers, and Nitrous Oxide Systems permitted in any combination. Turbo measured at inducer. *Updated 4/18/14

TIRES
Any DOT approved tires allowed. Slicks limited to 26.0 for F/AWD and 28.0 for RWD or any naturally aspirated application. 8/10/12 cyl limited to DOT approved tires. *Updated 1/17/14.

look at the difference between the two - Big jump between FIS and FIP

Forced Induction Sport Rules

POWER ADDERS
Turbochargers (62.9 mm single turbo limit for vehicles on slicks, , 62.9 mm single turbo limit for AWD auto 4 cyl vehicles, 67.9 mm single turbo limit for 1.6L motors and vehicles on DOT tires, 47.9mm limit for twin turbo setups except 3.8L 6 cyl motors limited to stock, unmodified twins), superchargers, and Nitrous Oxide Systems allowed. Vehicles limited to one out of manufacturer power adder type. Air to water intercoolers prohibited. Turbo measured at inducer.*updated 12/12/13

DRIVETRAIN AND TRANSMISSION
FWD, AWD, or RWD allowed. Stock driveline configuration must remain. Aftermarket straight axles prohibited.

EXHAUST
Open exhaust/header prohibited (turbo = exhaust). Any hood exit exhaust prohibited. Excessively loud exhaust prohibited (determined at IFO tech's discretion). *Updated 12/14/14

TIRES
Slicks permitted for FWD only (limit 25). DOT approved tires required for AWD and RWD vehicles. *updated 11/14/13

Turbo-LS

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Exactly I'm not taking my 62mm car and trying to run 67/72/76/88mm cars LOL

guy_from_nerk

That's basically what the rule is doing to 62mm guys who don't want to change their up-pipe setup.. I really don't care either, as I said I won't be competing at IFO events this year because I refuse to change my setup and be foreced to run against guys that go 8's with my 10 second street car. As someone else mentioned, cars are getting faster, unfortunately it will weed out those that can't afford to get faster. A lot of people already don't race because they feel they can't be competitive, at least that's how it is here in Ohio. I feel like index classes are a really popular thing on the east coast because they give everyone a legit chance of being competitive. It seems that the people who dislike index classes are the faster guys that usually win events haha.

I am one of the guys that drive my car to the track and swap over to slicks, I just think the rules in that class are flawed. Anyone who is building a car for that class, should honestly just buy an AWD DSM. You can upgrade the turbo and add nitrous as your 1 power adder.

All in all, good luck to everyone in 2015! I feel a 62mm car will go 8's at some point this year or next. I believe IPG's hatch went 9.4 on a 62mm last year around 700hp, wouldn't shock me to see the right setup bust out a 8.9x

fmfkid250

FIS is a hot debate. Late in the year in 2012. We met the rules with the Supra (minus the back seat) we went 8.95@152. No nitrous just a Borg 67 on KILL. Every time we tried to race it like that it broke the rear end. There is a local DSM thats going to run it on a 61mm he has been 8.90. Granted do I think its fair? Probably not. Could a FWD go 8's on a 62mm. Yes for sure. Hell if they run a B16 they could go a 8.70. I know most of the time we do not care much about a payout. but its only $300. FWD this year is what $1500?

I have no other point. This class is gonna be fast. does the fastest always win. Nope. (chances are better though) I am not sure what this class needs. I would say a Drag radial would even the playing field (aka power street everyone going 10.8-11.3) but something would have to be done with AWD and RWD.

We finally got the 9" in her car and we could "probably" win every time in FIS. But we are gonna leave the 72mm and fight out the 185+mph cars in FIP.

-Joe

DKPR87

It would be interesting to see some 67mm FWD folks putting on some DOTs and see what happens, granted it can be a bit more punishing to the drivetrain than slicks but it would be pretty cool and interesting nonetheless.

The AWDs and some RWDs are deadly consistent too so it definitely undercuts some of the FIS FWDs, but that's part of it i guess, if they splinter the classes anymore in IFO their may not be enough to have full fields per class as well as time in a single day to run that many classes unless IFO expands to evening the day before for qualifying, but that's a whole other bag of cats right there.

Turbo-LS

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Racing is ALWAYS expensive to do. You can't expect to build a car and go 9's right off the bat. You also can't expect those already doing it to slow down. We didn't start out running 9's. We also went through multiple motors/setups before we were able to run 9's. It isn't easy. It isn't cheap and this is years in the making. It takes time patience and perseverance to make your car faster. Can't have a cop out attitude about the class because you cant go faster RIGHT NOW you have to save and work for it.

Like I said we started out running FIS class getting smoked running 10.90's spinfest and before then it was a mid 11 second car and before then it was my daily driver for six years with a basic piston Rod setup making 350hp. It's a progression into a fast drag car. Doesn't happen overnight guys. Unless your a trust fund baby or you were smart as a kid and saved all your money and have that kind of funding to make it happen.

I work two and three jobs to fund his nonsense and all of yall could do the same thing. I also have to hear it non stop from my wife how much she hates me spending money of a drag cwr when we don't have a house. It's a choice I made to be the best I could be with this car. We make sacrifices and work very hard to do what we're doing just like all the other guys out there going fast. It's work and at the end of the season were exhausted and can't wait for the season to end because we're financially strapped and just plain tired lol but for that 10 seconds or less it's worth all of it.

Turbo-LS

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Clearly we aren't running FIS for the money. The 300 bucks doesn't even cover the diesel fuel to tow my trailer. We do it because we love to race and that's the class the car is setup to run

guy_from_nerk

I totally get what you are saying and my car sounds simliar to yours, I just don't run 9's haha. But it went from daily driver to 11 second to 10 second car. I never go out with intentions of winning, so my view isn't because I am mad about losing or anything like that. I go out everytime hoping to go faster than the last time out. Competing against similar cars is fun for me though, comes down to driver more than power. I am just speaking for the voices of others who I talk with, but aren't on here or afraid to voice their concerns in a larger fashion. There will always be the really fast guys and the not so fast guys, thats just the nature of the beast. I just think in order for the sport to grow, the not so fast guys need a class to run in, until they can jump up another level. Hell a 9 second car would put you in the finals at the Ohio SFWD class most times. Now 4-5 of the regular guys in that class have stepped up big time and are now either in the 8's or right on the door step and that's good.

I feel the classes that struggle the most are FWD and FIP because the "fast" FIS cars do not want to step up and compete with other fast cars. It's an easy payday to stay in a slower class and win almost by default. As long as you don't break you will almost certainly win. Its great to see Joe and Jenna stepping up to FIP, that class needs more cars. How many cars were in that class at the Sept IFO, 3-4? FWD had I believe 12, while there was nearly 40 cars in FIS. The AWD cars are at a huge advantage over everyone else in FIS, mainly because they are AWD, can run bigger turbo than FWD cars on slicks can and are allowed to run nitrous as their 1 power adder. That's why I said, anyone buildilng an FIS car would be stuipd not to build an AWD car from the get go.

DKPR87

True that!

my girl and i have had it out pretty bad sometimes because of my car, but at the end of the day, she does support it, and loves that this is my hobby rather than other things.

I've often wanted to run DOTs at all times because i thought it to be a cool goal to aspire for and something different and fun to do, the majority of local folks have had nothing but negative things to say about it, but you know... i could really care less.

I have a set of slicks for IFO, Friday night test/tunes and Saturday Night Drags here locally.

That last sentence tho... LOL

guy_from_nerk

That's already a rule...You can't run anything bigger than a 62.9mm turbo, with slicks and be FWD. If you go bigger turbo, FWD in FIS you have to run DOT tires

DKPR87

I know it's a rule, but i haven't really seen anyone do it or run them, locally at least...

i'm stuck running in FWD due to Hood Exit and 67mm, so dealing with a low 9 high 8 sec field is what i'm going to have to deal with.

Hopefully the field opens up a bit with more risk takers, fast cars can break, bog or miss shift, it's part of the sport, and that's what's so much fun about it too!

DKPR87

I'd venture to say that 62.9 may be the limit for 4cyl AWDs in general for FIS

but it would be good to see something official

Turbo-LS

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Yeah we're running against 9-10 second GTRs so we have competition for sure. When the time is right you'll see the SendItRacing Integra step up to fwd and start whooping *** there too. I'm that guy. Im the one that doesn't matter what it takes or how hard late long I have to work. I will reach my goals and surpass them. I've always been a person that overdoes everything that includes drag racing lol. My thought process is to succeed at everything I do but with some humility because I'm also a very helping and trustworthy person unlike some of my opponents I learned this year. We help other out but a lo don't seem to listen and then wonder why **** doesn't get faster.

740/470 will get you in the 9's all day. Just gotta figure out how to do it. It isn't easy.