60 foot times with traction bar. (full race, ESP, innovate) post them here
11-16-2011, 09:22 AM
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11-16-2011, 09:46 AM
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04-18-2012, 09:15 PM
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hate to dig this up but i 1.57 60d today on a 7 yrold 15/24.5 tire no traction bar open diff
proof it can be done with out a bar!
proof it can be done with out a bar!
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04-19-2012, 01:21 PM
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I don't run a traction bar. But I'm on the market to buy one. I hope it would help. The best I've cut is a 1.62 on stock suspension and stock mounts.
04-19-2012, 02:21 PM
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Re: 60 foot times with traction bar. (full race, ESP, innovate) post them here
I rock John (ESPs) setup. It is THE BEST bar none option for a CD chassis. Ive beaten the SHIiiiiiit out of mine and love it. Super solid as are the mounts.
HEavy bitch is going to the track this year on 26" slicks, well see what shes got, if I dont get thrown out before she gets there before going way too fast for No cage LOL. They looked at me funny on street tires, mid boost with >160 less WHP last time. COuple more MPH THEN and it have had been the boot. But first time I get out and it sticks 1 and 2, im not letting out of it.
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HEavy bitch is going to the track this year on 26" slicks, well see what shes got, if I dont get thrown out before she gets there before going way too fast for No cage LOL. They looked at me funny on street tires, mid boost with >160 less WHP last time. COuple more MPH THEN and it have had been the boot. But first time I get out and it sticks 1 and 2, im not letting out of it.
:O)
08-15-2012, 07:15 PM
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Thats a pretty good 60 .... I have been cuttin 1.60's all day long with open diff and the same 24.5's. I just got a full race set up and a lsd so i cant wait tosee what i can cut now.
08-15-2012, 08:08 PM
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Re: 60 foot times with traction bar. (full race, ESP, innovate) post them here
For most of these companies there is no science behind their products. They simply take the slack out of the suspension. The cars hitting lower 1's would run the same 60's with a "traction bar" made out of rusty fence posts and eye bolts.
That said, get an assembly from a company that has a good reputation for manufacturing products. Especially if it's an 4th gen civic/crx or a prelude! For these cars the RADIUS RODS (not "traction bars"
) are an integral part of the suspension.1.61 60ft on homemade "Z10" style traction bars stitch welded to the chassis. Tokico shocks and skunkworks springs.
08-17-2012, 07:12 AM
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08-18-2012, 11:24 AM
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I would be really curious to see what a well sorted EG/DC chassis car with no traction bars but sphericals in the entire front suspension could do. Unfortunately all but one of my customers were already running traction bars and there is kind of a if it ain't broke don't fix it mentality among racers. I haven't got any 60' times yet from the customer running no traction bars. Alberto from CCC Racing cut a 1.48 60' the first weekend out with my spherical LCAs and compliance bearings and traction bars. But he has not gone as fast since AFAIK. But hell, if going fast were as easy as just bolting on parts it wouldn't as fun anyway.
Edit: Traction bars are not mine. That sentence was confusing.
Edit: Traction bars are not mine. That sentence was confusing.
08-18-2012, 12:06 PM
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Full Race Traction Bar FTW. Although I cant brag about my 60'. EF chassis is just a bitch.
http://www.full-race.com/articles/traction_bars.pdf
http://www.full-race.com/articles/traction_bars.pdf
12-13-2012, 09:43 AM
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There is none on the market that is as strong as our ESP units.
Shoot years ago... I have taken one of ESP bars, have two jacks and lift an 86 Chevy Dually Crew Cab on the tow ball 2 feet in the air for some time, jack it back down and no bend... try doing that to a ebay kit
Shoot years ago... I have taken one of ESP bars, have two jacks and lift an 86 Chevy Dually Crew Cab on the tow ball 2 feet in the air for some time, jack it back down and no bend... try doing that to a ebay kit
12-16-2012, 08:17 AM
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Its not all about the traction bar as your suspension as a lot to do with it but I use the Full race traction bar with hasport mounts with 24.5x9x13 slicks and best 60ft this season is 1.67.
12-17-2012, 09:53 AM
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Here is our ESP EF TBS with Front Torque Mount Kit Cable D color I like to call Razzle Dazzle... one of my favorite colors we have done to date.
12-17-2012, 05:38 PM
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I can't tell how the traction bar above is designed from the picture but it looks like it has rod ends at both ends of the arm that replaces the radius rod. I will call that arm the traction arm. (If I am mistaken about this particular part then I apologize.) But I keep seeing traction bars designed with rod ends at both ends of the traction arm. (Just talking about EF/DA and other radius rod cars here.) This is 100% incorrect. It is bad suspension design. Period. Think about it. You can now twist the LCA fore and aft in relation to the radius arm. Since stock bushings are so stiff this is not noticeable if you have the car on a lift unless you attach a breaker bar or something to the LCA. But I would be willing to bet it is noticeable on launch.
If you put spherical bearings in the front LCA inner pivots you can grab the LCA and twist it forward and back until the bearing sleeve contacts the bearing spacer. One of my customers has a video of this. That is not good. You have taken what was a factory triangulated arm where the LCA and radius rod were locked into the same axis and you are now allowing the LCA to rotate forward and backward independent of the traction arm. The proper design is to have one rod end where the traction arm connects to what is now the front crossmember. The rear of the traction arm should have a bracket on it that mounts rigidly to the LCA where the OEM radius rod did. In this fashion the LCA and traction arm are locked into the same axis and articulate together as designed (quite well actually) by Honda.
If you put spherical bearings in the front LCA inner pivots you can grab the LCA and twist it forward and back until the bearing sleeve contacts the bearing spacer. One of my customers has a video of this. That is not good. You have taken what was a factory triangulated arm where the LCA and radius rod were locked into the same axis and you are now allowing the LCA to rotate forward and backward independent of the traction arm. The proper design is to have one rod end where the traction arm connects to what is now the front crossmember. The rear of the traction arm should have a bracket on it that mounts rigidly to the LCA where the OEM radius rod did. In this fashion the LCA and traction arm are locked into the same axis and articulate together as designed (quite well actually) by Honda.
07-14-2013, 08:35 AM
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1.57 60ft in eg with blox drag pro coilovers with out track bar on 23x8-13M&H 288hp and 226tq. How many of you high hp guys run soild trans mounts with a track bar?
07-14-2013, 09:30 AM
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I can't tell how the traction bar above is designed from the picture but it looks like it has rod ends at both ends of the arm that replaces the radius rod. I will call that arm the traction arm. (If I am mistaken about this particular part then I apologize.) But I keep seeing traction bars designed with rod ends at both ends of the traction arm. (Just talking about EF/DA and other radius rod cars here.) This is 100% incorrect. It is bad suspension design. Period. Think about it. You can now twist the LCA fore and aft in relation to the radius arm. Since stock bushings are so stiff this is not noticeable if you have the car on a lift unless you attach a breaker bar or something to the LCA. But I would be willing to bet it is noticeable on launch.
If you put spherical bearings in the front LCA inner pivots you can grab the LCA and twist it forward and back until the bearing sleeve contacts the bearing spacer. One of my customers has a video of this. That is not good. You have taken what was a factory triangulated arm where the LCA and radius rod were locked into the same axis and you are now allowing the LCA to rotate forward and backward independent of the traction arm. The proper design is to have one rod end where the traction arm connects to what is now the front crossmember. The rear of the traction arm should have a bracket on it that mounts rigidly to the LCA where the OEM radius rod did. In this fashion the LCA and traction arm are locked into the same axis and articulate together as designed (quite well actually) by Honda.
If you put spherical bearings in the front LCA inner pivots you can grab the LCA and twist it forward and back until the bearing sleeve contacts the bearing spacer. One of my customers has a video of this. That is not good. You have taken what was a factory triangulated arm where the LCA and radius rod were locked into the same axis and you are now allowing the LCA to rotate forward and backward independent of the traction arm. The proper design is to have one rod end where the traction arm connects to what is now the front crossmember. The rear of the traction arm should have a bracket on it that mounts rigidly to the LCA where the OEM radius rod did. In this fashion the LCA and traction arm are locked into the same axis and articulate together as designed (quite well actually) by Honda.
How would you fix the above kit Chris?
07-14-2013, 12:08 PM
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i just put the k-tuned traction bar on my crx for this reason. it has front and rear bars to lock the lca in place to attempt to keep it from moving
07-14-2013, 12:11 PM
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Just make the rear of the radius rod attach like the factory piece.
Or, instead of buying traction bars and whatnot, buy these:
http://www.sparktecmotorsports.com/p...tm_content=pla
They'd practically accomplish the same thing. I cut a 1.69 60' with only 270 hp.
Or, instead of buying traction bars and whatnot, buy these:
http://www.sparktecmotorsports.com/p...tm_content=pla
They'd practically accomplish the same thing. I cut a 1.69 60' with only 270 hp.
07-14-2013, 01:13 PM
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what tire psi do you guys run in your slicks thats getting the 1.5x-1.6x 60fts....rpms...and boost if its fi? you put weight on the front?