vtecspeed1320

Why are the k series guys not allowed to run the 42r, but the h2b is allowed in sfwd and more than likely will be able to use the 42r. Are there turbos that are comparable in size, power, spool time to the 42r that the k series guys can use?

Arturbo

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vtecspeed1320

With the gearing of the b series trans and the power the h can produce...wonder if they will outlaw the 42r on that setup.

hybridEj6

because a H2b hasnt trapped 167MPH

Clayton

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridEj6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">because a H2b hasnt trapped 167MPH</TD></TR></TABLE>

Neither has the K series in anything but a fluke "lean as hell and about to explode" scenario

0morgan@synapse motorsport

that still counts. i still think its bogus they banned the 42r. let the k series present its dominance in sfwd

crazykid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Clayton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Neither has the K series in anything but a fluke "lean as hell and about to explode" scenario</TD></TR></TABLE>

Lean is mean.... isnt that the old saying???

It will be intresting to see how the H2B does this year, i have been a avid fan of H series motors since I got into Hondas years ago... and who knows, the rules seem to change often enough when there is a need a for a revision.

trickeng

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Clayton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Neither has the K series in anything but a fluke "lean as hell and about to explode" scenario</TD></TR></TABLE>

??? fluke ??? didn't he back it up with a 165mph pass along with a 163mph pass??? doesn't seem to flukey to me.

there is no such thing as to lean unless he was towed back to the pits because he blew the motor. if it didn't blew during the pass i would consider that tuned perfectly for that days condition. it may of been a little lucky, but not a fluke.

vtecspeed1320

that would be unfair to the sport though...almost forcing everyone to have to build new programs and sink money in k's

tony1

The H isn't really any more efficient that a properly built B series, which means it'll max out around the same power as a B series with the 42r. That turbo can only provide so much air, the efficiency of the motor is what will determine what the ultimate power output will be with a given amount of airflow.

Ramming air into the inlet of the turbo does help things a bit though...

sportfwddc2

The K series was rule revision was B.S. but its the way it is and i think we can still make the same power on different smaller turbo's. Its just funny that there has been 3-4 b series cars trap 160+ mph but they keep getting more revisions in there favor its a joke..

Arturbo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sportfwddc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The K series was rule revision was B.S. but its the way it is and i think we can still make the same power on different smaller turbo's. Its just funny that there has been 3-4 b series cars trap 160+ mph but they keep getting more revisions in there favor its a joke.. </TD></TR></TABLE>
mph tells you everything. After the rule change the k-series car, T1 and maxworks all had the same mph. Seems fair to me.

0morgan@synapse motorsport

so theres 3 people close in mph why not cripple the b series to 67mm compressors and there will be 20-30 people with closer traps.

tony1

Mazworx was with a 67mm compressor... lol

h22 civic

i personally think people where gung ho with the b series for so long cause of no other options really. h series was a option but the tranny was a weak link said by many so no r&d was put into it ......b series technology is old now for this time and day they make good power and are pretty reliable but i think they are maxed out.....it just so happens that the k series (newer technology) and the h2b plates came out about the same time so now their are 2 more options put to the table ...i believe you will be seeing alot more h series motors being run once people see the potential of them matted with a b series tranny i also believe the 42r will be outlawed on them too once they start see the power being made

GrinderGuy2

i dont care what anybody says, 167mph wasnt happening twice/thrice in one day.. From what i was told, that motor was on the brink..

162mph and 167 is a lil different lol

tony1

Who tricked you guys into thinking the B tranny is a lot better than the H? lol

JDogg

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who tricked you guys into thinking the B tranny is a lot better than the H? lol</TD></TR></TABLE>

idk, but my h trannys suck at changing gears above 8500 ish rpms..they can hold whatever kind power u want though.

tony1

I could have sworn in an old post about the H shift linkages you were saying that yours shifted fine a 9k and you didn't understand why other people had problems?

vtecspeed1320

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDogg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">idk, but my h trannys suck at changing gears above 8500 ish rpms..they can hold whatever kind power u want though.</TD></TR></TABLE>x2... and there is many gearing options with a b series you dont get with the h. And I think someone said there is a 7% driveline loss with an h trans over a b series trans. <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The H isn't really any more efficient that a properly built B series, which means it'll max out around the same power as a B series with the 42r. That turbo can only provide so much air, the efficiency of the motor is what will determine what the ultimate power output will be with a given amount of airflow.

Ramming air into the inlet of the turbo does help things a bit though... </TD></TR></TABLE>Is there 87x90.7 b series builds? And also how is an h not more efficient, doesnt the head flow way more than a b series. The only thing the H is lacking is aftermarket help.

2fast4u831

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I could have sworn in an old post about the H shift linkages you were saying that yours shifted fine a 9k and you didn't understand why other people had problems?</TD></TR></TABLE>that was probably speedworks

Tyler H

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2FAST4U831 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that was probably speedworks </TD></TR></TABLE>

That was probably me.

If you don't have enough brains, determination, or money (in some combination of the three) to go fast with an H trans, you're probably not going to go fast on a B trans either.

The Saenz H-series gear set was out long before the Liberty B-series gear set was...

EATIN UP UR BSERIES

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who tricked you guys into thinking the B tranny is a lot better than the H? lol</TD></TR></TABLE>

i want to make this my signature...

wHOAlly

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyler H &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If you don't have enough brains, determination, or money (in some combination of the three) to go fast with an H trans, you're probably not going to go fast on a B trans either. </TD></TR></TABLE>

good thing u had alot of money

JDogg

yeah i thought it did till i spent some time with my type r tranny.. the r tranny is so much more effortless to get it into gear at high rpm. the h trannys i always had to be very deliberate and make sure i hit the gear exactly right every time or it wouldnt go into gear. and when we changed from the lighter 4 puck disk to the heavier 6 puck disk it went to **** completly... the syncros just arent very good at slowing the main shaft

my type r tranny took 18k miles of 9500 rpm hell from me and still hits the gears like a champ