ollie

kev,
I must say you are a trooper!(that's a compliment)..
I look forward to your updates and progress..I have been a S fan for a while now.I saw my first S600 coupe at a local classic car show a few years back and they had a interesting appeal for me.
Good luck on your build and please keep them pictures coming along!

kev84

hey ollie, thanks man

i will update them if anything arises. if ur a s600 coupe fan, u might look into buying this, hehehe

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda...fCarsQ5fTrucks

its a car worth buying, since the coupe is so rare, with only 1800 ever made. good to have one in the garage

kev84

anyways, heres some pictures mms'ed by ramesh of the sandblasting company. i took some picture of the chain driven suspension as well. truly a work of art

1wingman52

Kevin, yes I am the (infamous?) Fred Wing that has been e-mailing you. I am kinda new at "posting" into forums, mainly because I used to hunt through motorcycle forums as part of my job. In the motorcycle forums, it is amazing how much false information is brought up, and how really stupid some of it is. One case in particular is on the Honda GL 1800 site, where some guy actually uses and recommends that you run an AUTOMOBILE TIRE on the rear of your motorcycle for better wear characteristics!. This guy is so scary, and does not have the faintest idea of the differences in the demands and the designs of the two types of tires, let alone how badly his m/c will handle. As it was part of my job to see what was being said, I was not allowed to dispute any of the bad info. I hope that this site never goes to that extreme. So far, it has been very good, with good information about parts supplies, cars, shows, etc., and that is what this forum should be about. As far as the price I paid for the S-800 is concerned, I bought it on E-Bay (yup!) for $5633! It cost another $1200 to get it shipped to me in an enclosed carrier from New Hampshire, 3000 miles away. Did I mention that it has been stored since 1973? I was very pleased to find such an easy to restore vehicle, that isn't like the 600 coupe currently on E-Bay! I am surprised at the bidding on that one, now up to $3499.99! Anyhow, I will put up some more info when I get deep into my project.

kev84

Yeah, you are pretty much in luck Fred. Although S800 coupes are common, your German spec LHD is pretty rare I'd say. Good job on the pick though.

this is the slowest update in the month for my car

the painter only grinded bits of the sides of the car. u could even see the spider webs growing tons

im wondering if i should get these dunlop tyres, hmmm.

1wingman52

Kevin, personally I think you should use 145 or 155 tires on your 600, not 175s. I ran 145s on my 600 back in the late 70s, and the car handled great, stuck good, but you could still get it to slide when you wanted to. The wider tires will put a lot of load on the steering and drive components, that you don't really want in a car that is difficult and expensive to get replacement parts for. The car is light enough that it doesn't need the grip associated with the larger tires. Besides, sliding is great fun! If you are running the stock wheels, the car will look better, more like it did when it was new. My S-800 came to me with 155 tires on it, and I think I'll keep that size for my 800.

Bobs600

I'm with Wingman on this. The 145 (if you can find them) or 155 sizes will look better and give handling closer to what Honda intended. The original 5.20x13 bias ply tire crosses to a 135x13 radial.

Dunlop's website says that rim width should be 70% of a tire's section width for aspect ratios between 80 and 50.
"If the rim is too narrow, the flex point moves toward the shoulder area, creating heat buildup in the shoulder, which reduces tire life and could result in failure."
So a 175/70 needs a rim width of 4.8 inches/ 122 mm. I think the S600 rim width is 4 inches, perfect for a 155 tire section width, but I don't have one handy to look at. Corrections welcome!

81cord

Please tell me they gonna strip that off

kev84

hey fred and bob. its hard to find 145 or 155 tyres here. it seems i cant locate any. the tyre seller guarantees that it will work and all fault on him. i will still try to look for 155 tyres. they are mighty hard since no cars uses such rims anymore!

hey 81cord, according to the painter, he could still use up that part of the paint as the base. dont understand what he says. he feels that there is no necessity to peel it out.
we had 2 cars that had him painted and the painted lasted some time now. so i have confidence on what he is doing.

anyways, i just got the rims back from ramesh (the sandblaster). 5 boxes of goodness from skynet :D rims were then coated with layer of primer (in grey)

1wingman52

Kev, if you can't source the proper size tires in your country, I would suggest getting them from somewhere else. The shipping costs will be a little more, but I think you would be happier in the long run with the 155 or 145 tires. Of course, the tire guy in your country says that the 175s will work: that is what he HAS, so he only wants to sell them! Fred.

kev84

fred, had a miserable day. will see how i proceed further

major mess up today. i'm not sure if its a mess up to some, but i've listened to both sides of the coin still think its a **** up

today i sent my rims to the tyre shop again. he says he will get a welder to straighten up the rims and put weld liquid (translation from cantonese/chinese) to seal the hole on the rims. he tried to contact the welder at first when i was present, but he wasn't picking up.

i had to go, because i had an appointment later. so the welder contacted me and says he could repaired/straightened up the dented lips of the rim and also fill up the microholes with weld. i thought that was understood, plus the tyre shop owner told him the same. the guy says it will take about 2-3 days to get it done

when i came back after 2 hours, all was done. i was like wow. at first i was pretty amazed with him, filling up the parts with bronze. however, when i sent it to the painters, he said the welder guy did a pretty appaling job. i brought the rims back to the tyre shop and said, "didnt you tell the welder to fill up with weld liquid instead of filling up with bronze and trying to weld it?" the tyre shop knows its the welders fault, but the welder was a hard old geezer. he says he is right in doing that and there is no way to straighten up the rims. he wouldn't admit to his fault. the agreed sum was rm250 (1 USD = RM 3.3). i lowered it down to RM150 and he was mighty pissed. he threw one of my rims on the ground. i was just furious, but him being an old guy, i thought id respect the senior citizens. i just paid off the money and went away with the rims. i didn't want to see him again.

i'm not sure whats your perspective on this one, but the lips near the valve has been flattened (originally was curved) and the rust inhibitor that was applied by ramesh has been torched. this is the worst day of my restoration period! damn. pics as below

SoFaKingCrazy

i love your car! keep us updated.!

1wingman52

Kev, I'm not sure what to make of it. Any welding or repair should have been completed before putting on any primer. As far as fixing the holes with brass instead of actual steel weld material, I don't know if this an acceptable repair or not. Brass is more brittle than the steel, and I would think that you would have wanted to use the same material as the wheel. Maybe the brass is OK because of the lower heat needed? Someone else on this site can probably tell us better. I see in the one photo the 175 size tire, which I don't think is the right choice, based also on the reply that said that too wide of a tire on the stock width wheel will cause the tire to flex in the wrong location from its original design. Use the 145's if you can find them, if not, use the 155s.

kev84

Fred.

I am just fed up with the tyre shop. I think I will pull out from him and before I let him run over me sorta thing. What I did was let him try if there was any leak coming from the valve hole. I was worried on the part where the brass becomes a problem.

I will get another tyre shop to do the tyre. I think its finally decided. He doesn't want to own up any problem, even part of the rims repair was his problem. It's no good for me and him really.

Norcal510

Kev,

Sucks you had to go through all that b.s with the tire shop. As for the rim I wouldn’t worry too much. You can get that fixed by another shop. They just need to heat that area thats flat with a torch & get the metal nice & red. Once the metal is pliable they can re-work the lip back to its former shape.

As for the brass I would have the next shop remove that and have them mig/tig weld (probably tig) those holes shut. I would say the body men that were working on the floors on your car could fix that. They did pretty good job with the tools they had and I don’t see them having a difficulty re-shaping the lips & welding up those holes. But your best bet is a shop that specializes in rim repair.

One last thing. You could probably have the painter retouch the burnt areas. He just needs to remove the burnt paint & feather sand a little past the good paint. Then do a spot repair.

Good luck

kev84

Yeah

Real biatch to go through all this! LOL

I will tell the current tyre shop that I am no longer interested in the restoration project and wish to toss the rims aside! I will get back his stuffs and bring it to another guy! LOL

kev84

good riddance to old tire shop. heres the new one, hopefully they wont mess up again

jsvteck

man i major props i always wanted one of these myself hopfully i find one, one day

kev84

thanks jvsteck. i hope u do find one in the near future!

super slow progress, chinese new year is coming. plus the badges and oil filter just came from australia. thanks to jason of australia. cost 266 AUD! damnn

smithenhiven

Are those emblems NOS, or repros? Either way, they look nice.

DVDr

iTrader: (2)

Remarkable build.

Lots of dedication in restoring a project like that

ScratchNSniff

Amazing build thread...

kev84

hi smith

these are refurbished from jason of the just-s group. thank god he's got that coupe badge

kev84

Paint grinding work begins again. Car to be coated with anti-rust primer soon!

kev84

Morning and afternoon job