jt-sport

Why did most (most, not severe like old lookofsky car, etc) choose B series Stroked to 2.2 or 2.3, than a h22 that just start fresh 2.2L and could be strooked up to 2.6??

i think the power range of stroked 2.2L B series compare with "stock" displacement h22 would be arround the same, if the CR, camshaft, induction, exhaust, head job etc2 had been done well each.

*but the stroked B would be costing much more than building stock displacement H22!!
*i think if we talk about power to $, H series would be the best options.!!

is that any other reason for the pro all motor???? h22 engine weight??? regulation???

i just curious, since i have also all motor 2.2L B with golden eagle blck, and 2.3L B (98x86) IRL super deck2,
and now i have other new customer also want to build all motor h22....

when i do a simple budget calc, the stroked B was killing money for sure, since the H22 only need a conrod and hi dome piston to buy.. not like the B (IRL + crank + custom rod + bla bla bla )

i just curious about the pro all motor guy in here, about the decicsion reasons, please let me know

b19coupe

Personally, from my days as a tech working at the dealership, I was never a fan of the 'H'. Before the days of the K motor, B-series parts were cheaper and more readily available than H series stuff. H trannies are not that great either. There are certainly more options for the 'H' today. To be competetive now though, you need a motor making ~400+ HP. K-series is where it's at.

BigBlock22

i agree, in the earlier days i remember the ls/vtec setup was very popular on the streets. a handful of guys were using h22s but most of them were turbo charging them or had them on the bottle. i know over in europe they would destroke the h22s and rev them out around 10k to get them over 300whp and this was years ago. i believe they were used in road racing cars. my next project will definitely have a k24 in it though

UncleD

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I am curious also....K > B > H > D. I'm gonna sit and wait for all the H guys to come in and through a FIT...this is gonna be fun

BigBlock22

i will say this though. i never had any problems with my H-series trannies. some people might though because of the way they set their cables up. everybody knows the b16 and type-r tranny's have shorter gears when compared to h22/h23s. but you cant beat the price of h-series engines. to me its all preference. you can take any engine and point out its weakness's. but dollar for dollar i will always say the h22 is the motor of easy choice. the k24 engine will be the next h22 in my eyes. the long blocks are cheap but i hear the k-series trannys dont really hold their own(not sure if thats k20 or k24). somebody can correct me

TorquelessEM1

Oh lord yes..... Anytime now,the floodgates will open and the H2B guys will be running amuk.

TorquelessEM1

I had issues with the tranny on my k20...... At 14k,I had to take it back to Honda to have all new gears and a throw out bearing installed.And I was easy on that thing........................

JDM JEFFREY

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I think the big h22 have a hard time take power to the uper rpm like the b and the k
I have a 2.4L h2b makes good power to 8800rpm and then starts to fall

TorquelessEM1

What I want to know is how are a lot of the guys here with H's running 8k+ with stock valvetrain? that just sounds like a reciepe for disaster IMHO........

ALLxMOTOR EG

lol.

1.5Slowmatic

with the amount fo available parts out there today, id love to do an F2B or H2B over a bswap anyday. F motors can be had for uber cheap unlike B motors so you have a good cheap starting point and you can go from there. Mate it to a B tranny and you got a serious little setup goin. I think people choose b since its been done to death and its easy to get power on and the swap is all but a straight drop in

ef92b

+1. am goin to grab my popcorn too! LOL

NAH2B

b series was popular to the pro allmotor guys simply for parts availability at the time making it easy to extract power from them. also the H series gearing was not acceptable while the stock b series gearbox was exactly what was needed.

however even back then the H's were running just as fast or faster than the B's.

Today is a different story alltogether, especially w/ the availability of H2b. it is alot easier to make more power w/ an H series today over a B for sure.

today anyone can throw together a mild build 300+whp H series and compete w/ the K's.

you cant do that w/ a b series now.

also most of those K's making 300+ are on a 99mm stroke. im making a very reliable 300+ w/ a 95mm stroke in my H and still have plenty of room for improvement

you also wont get that w/ a b series either haha

i guess what im saying is back in the day the H and B were fairly equal, but times have definately changed

UncleD

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Wrong.

Aquafina

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Come on clean. If a 300whp B was easy, we wouldn't be seeing so many k swaps.

UncleD

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I never said it was "easy," I'm just saying that it can and HAS been done...something that H2B guy or whatever said couldn't be.

Team Evol Tyrone

I think he meant it wont be as easy as it is with an H. We have a crx with a 95 stroke B and that thing seems almost maxed out and still not in the 300 range. A 300 hp B would be on the ragged edge of everything as far as clearance, stroke, and bore.

NAH2B

i guess you got a little ahead of yourself and missed the part where i said "mild build"

show me a mild build 300+whp B series and i wont bother to post again

until then you can ponder my 95x89 13.5:1 304whp H series street car which got me the 10.98 @ 126 in my sig and soon to be 10.8x's

oh yeah, and i cant forget to mention the stock cylinder head as well


haha sorry man but you aint even coming close w/ a B lol

Aquafina

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13.5:1 isn't mild...

NAH2B

huh?

considering everyone else is running between 14:1 to 16:1 id say 13.5:1 is pretty mild haha

maybe not for a street motor, but its the bare minumum for a race motor.


i basicaly beat the **** out of this motor at the track every time. i have over 50 passes on it and have changed the oil only twice haha

i rev the **** out of the thing to 9,800 every pass shifting WOT, the engine often sees over 10,200 rpm

while all the k series guys are breaking parts left and right, im just simply running the **** out of my H and having a blast

UncleD

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Like I said...

Theres no H without the B.

2fastGSR

Well then dont make assinine comments and you wont have assinine responses . .

If you say it can be done, please build a 13.5 :1, Stock cylinder head B series that makes 300hp . . .

Until then, just sit on the sidelines where you belong . .

Now back to the ORIGINAL topic at hand . . .

One of the major reasons was part availability. For example What "larger" camshafts were available to the H series crowd? Not much . . Where the B series, while still under developed in comparison to now, had a lot more options.

That said- Norris P and Jeremy L. both ran H series. Leslie A. and Erick A. both ran B series.
Now I personally used to own one of Jeremy's H series motors that he ran back in the day. I never owned a Pro B series motor but from what I heard, to get them to run the way they did, took a lot of bearing changes with some crazy stroke, for a B series at least. Although I cant confirm this. I can say that I didnt have to do that on my H.

So why did most people run the B series? Personal preference I guess . . lol

5thgenH22coupe

Im not going to get into this into deepth. other then Ive always stated B's are for bitches and H's are for Heros... LOL Take that as you must. But realy the main reasion I went with an H motor is cuz at the time where im from no one was running it. Everyone had B's. And still to this day not many have ran the H around here. I have had my hands in all but the K motor and thers just something that draws me to the H motor.

NAH2B

haha, get em' blue

88Hatchy

Which stock cylinder H22 can accept a 13.5:1 piston? Does Mahle make pistons that work?

As far as i know the only part of the K series thats breaking is the transmission. How many fast all-motor H22s are using a H tranny?

Does anyone have a dyno of a 13.5:1 B series thats a 2.0 or smaller? Just curious.