Mashimaro

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Thanks again for your input shodan. I think I ok'd you about my problem before as well and you helped me out

But yah I think I need compression as well hence why my vtec lost 30whp when I had it set to 5500 rpm. I gained the 30whp back once I raised vtec to 6800.

Anyways, I love Toda

Op - if you find the stuff for a good price, I say go for it!

Enoc

what other mods you have done to your ITR? induction and exhaust? engine management?
to give you a good advice you should list what you have...

if you have a stock ITR motor, let's say you just upgraded the header and exhaust...
Skunk2 pro 1, Buddy club spec 4 , Toda B are going to give you the same powerband, 1 or 2 hp/tq here and there...they will vary a little...

but if your looking for top end...not midrange...Jun 3, skunk2 stage 2 will serve you...

remember it's not only dropping cams in, it's having the mods to support that cam...

FlewByU352

Comptech Icebox intake, Toda Racing 4-2-1 header, soon to have ID1000cc injectors and tuned on S300. Just waiting until I feel like dropping $700 in fuel setup.

TheShodan

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......Really?...... That large? for an NA build? Why do you guys do th... Nevermind. This is the American "bigger is always better" philosophy. I know I'm going to get the "In-case-I- grow rationale that honestly has this forum hypnotized, but wow.. that's just beyond unnecesary.

FlewByU352

Enjoy...
https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/id1000cc-injectors-all-motor-application-2982891/

TheShodan

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Yes, I am well aware of the existence of this thread, thanks. Still, as a matter of utility, its rather impractically unnecessary. But, whatever people want to do for whichever reason, they do. Still doesn't convince me of the "overkill" factor, though. I'm Sorry, I'm just not even in the slightest convinced that its needed.

cibao2ner

i went with RDX injectors and so far im happy with fit...and know their oem quality is a plus...

back to the oil debate..i started my engine with 50wt joegibbs breakin and now switch to 30wt breakin oil to drive around until i can get it tune...to finish exhaust,brakes and breakin the rings...but my valvetrain got louder..also should i check/adjust my valve lash?

FlewByU352

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu totally unrelated. We have like 3 different topics in 1 thread. Cam choice the the primary topic, then we strayed to oil, then to fuel for a bit now back to oil? And I thought I had bad ADD lol

00Red_SiR

People aren't buying 1000cc injectors blindly, they are buying a very specific type. Some testing was done a while back by TurboGixxer along with some information from the manufacturer that showed decent power gains and drivability from the ID 725cc and up injectors. I run 1000cc because I got an awesome deal on them and my car runs better than it ever did on 310cc RC injectors. With tuning systems out there, there's no such thing as too big when it comes to injectors. If I had of gone bigger displacement, or E85 or even switch to a turbo setup, those injectors would handle all the demands. If I never changed anything, I would still benefit and am benefiting, as are others who run them. It`s better to buy one set of injectors that can do everything well than 4 differents sets for every time you change your setup and that`s why people buy them.

FlewByU352

Exactly, I buy almost everything in the "do it once, do it right" fashion. I rather wait for another couple pay checks even to get what I want. I'm a very picky person and after seeing ID1000's on a stock LS teg put down 6whp more it was at that point I was a firm believer. Even if I gained 2whp, that is incredible to say the least. You can have the same A/F ratio but the spray pattern on a different injector makes more power.

cibao2ner

i think everyones who messes with cars has bad ADD.....and i would go with the id1000...when u decide to go boost u dont have to buy new injectors...allmotor is just temp..boost is the way to go

97CWITR

For the people running toda cams and valve train, what are you doing about retainers?
Im not a fan of using titanium retainers for a street car due to the increase wear and maintenance of them. Did you guys use the toda retainers? Supertech? ITR?

Thanks!

FlewByU352

Eh yes and no. Boost in a circuit car makes cooling difficult. Under hood temperatures will actually melt things.

koczeka

Rocket springs and retainers here with the Cs.

00Red_SiR

Snap fit for the win...

Mashimaro

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I'm using the Toda ti retainers but may swap them out for chromoly again.

94eg!

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Back on the sub-subject of oil, does anybody know if boosting ZDDP in your SM motor oil is good for these motors & valvetrains?

I'm running Mobil1 0w30 in my B18C R, and I just found it's got one of the lowest counts of ZDDP around (~600ppm). I was thinking about bumping this oil up with a 1/3 bottle of Redline Break-in additive to effectively double that number. It "sounds" good because they lay out the different mixture levels on their product page:

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=121&pcid=1

00Red_SiR

That's one acceptable way of doing it, I just prefer to run the Redline oil and not worry about it. I only change my oil once a year so cost isn't an issue.

TheShodan

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I guess . Then again, I don't go from N/A to boost in the same engine or car, so again, I suppose... You guys go ahead. If I do another turbo setup, sure..

TheShodan

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Been boosted circuit 8 years. Never melted a thing. Even with unvented hood. It's in tuning, configuration and location of critical components in a Honda engine bay. And didn't need ID1000s to do it.

koczeka

U know, it is not a need... it is just night and day compared to RCs for example, I replaced the 440RCs with ID725.

Enoc

it's a night and day difference going from RC to bosch....no doubt, what Shodan is saying that 1000CC is maybe to much to see a gain...it would be a night and difference going to any bosch from 380cc to a 1000cc, because is the better spray pattern, hence better atomitazion...

the thing is that there is no dyno comparing the a 3XXcc bosch to a 1000cc bosch and saying a gained 5hp...there is dyno comparing bosch to RC, precision, siemens etc..not a bosch vs a bosch on N/A motor...

and you guys are overpaying for injectors, there a OEM that have bosch 48mm injectors for half the price you guys are paying for it...set of 8...for what you buy 3 injectors to the dealers of honda tech.

for example, my 480cc bosch 48mm i paid 115 for a set of 4, new in box , add the uscar , and the xenocron 11mm adapter and i don't pass 160us...

when I see a comparison in dyno that going from a bosch 4XXcc to a 7XXcc and to a 1XXXcc gained Hp in a N/A motor...simple setup...i'll change...till then...my 480cc bosch serve me very well.

remember...N/A motor....turbo is another story...

92lx

back to the whole cam thing,what about the toda vtec killer cams?they sound nasty as hell but,but what uses are those for?

TheShodan

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This is pretty much what I was getting at without getting into it to start a full on debate. Thanks Enoc. As he stated, I'll stay with my Toyota 3S-GTE injectors in the N/A and Siemen Deka in the turbo car.

TheShodan

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Those are used strictly as a RACE cam, not intended for any street use, such as dedicated drag strip or extreme circuit race such as in a time attack when RPM levels will not drop below 6k.