crx2nr822

Does anyone have this in their car yet? How do they feel? Are they "streetable"? I have a b16 with only bolt ons, will these cams be too much for my street car? I have read on other threads that skunk2 pro 2 and stage 2 cams need to be used with higher compression motors, and doing block work and stuff like that......is this true??? need some advice

NOTE: I have searched ALOT about these cams and people are either selling them or talking about the Pro 1 or stage 1 cams.......not the PRO 2's......so please dont tell me to search.

UncleD

iTrader: (2)

To say that block work/headwork and tuning needs to be done is an understatement for your motor. I have always been impressed with Ill Will's motor. Basically it has ctr pistons, S2S2 cams, headwork and a Toda header tuned with H-data. Keep in mind, S2 Pro 1's are NOT a "stage 1" camshaft, they are really pretty large. What are your goals/budget?

crx2nr822

I just wanna have a street car that i can drive daily but still have that power if i wanna have some fun......i dont wanna get into headwork and blockwork just to run the PRO 2 cams....so thats y i am asking...still debating. I wanna run Pro 2 and then get tuned.....but not rip apart the whole motor just to run those cams.

b19coupe

You will make more power with Pro 1's on a mild motor.

UncleD

iTrader: (2)

If you don't want to put any work in the motor then I hate to say it, but you're WAY off track. From hearing what you want, a S2S1 or even type r cams is what I would direct you in. My roomate is running the S2 Pro 1's, and even he is having a hard time running them....here are some pics of his motor... https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1353343

He's at 12.1 compression, granted he doesn't have H-data YET, but he has a Blox IM, 4-1 header and 2.5 exhaust all the way out...there is NO WAY that a stock B16 could handle the S2 Pro 1 camshaft. Are you willing to swap the valvetrain for it?? If not, then that completly limits you to S2S1's or type r's. Keep in mind that if you don't have the right tool, you WILL have to take the head off the motor to swap the valvetrain. You've been warned about those cams( S2 Pro 1) with stock valvetrain.....

crx2nr822

O no, well If i'm gonna change the cams I am FOR SURE gonna change the valvetrain out too, i already dropped a valve on my first motor so im not going through that again. I just didnt want to pull the motor, take the head off and all that......but yeah my mechanic has the tools to do it without taking the head off.....so what do u think a b16 with bolt ons could handle w/ upgraded vavletrain??? Maybe Pro1's with skunk2 springs and retainers??? Or should i just stay away from the Pro series and stick to the original stages?? If so, what stage should i look for?? keep posting the info! Thanks alot guys

UncleD

iTrader: (2)

You should stay away from the Pro series like I mentioned above, and do a S2S1 like I mentioned above. If you insist on doing S2 valvetrain, do the Pro series valvetrain, the origonal S2's weren't so hot if I remember right.

crx2nr822

I dont think they have released the Pro series valvetrain yet, only the cams......do u think i could run stage 2 cams with the skunk2 valvetrain and still be streetable?? or would even stage 2 cams be too much?

f22btwincam

my friends rex is running pro2's cams and proseries valvetrain. we ran it on a mild lsvtec set up and the cams are really good compared to the stage2 cams he ran. it has better low and mid compared to the s2's and it knocked his time down in the 1/4. best time on old set up was a 12.8 spinning all of 1st and 2nd couldnt grab traction. with pro2s only made one pass and ran a 12.6 spinning more than b4. the pro2's felt soo much stronger it pulls hard right around 6800 up to 9 grand. right now he building a full race motor so he is going to utilize the cams for its full potential now

crx2nr822

Good stuff but see im only running a b16 with bolt ons so i think the Pro series cams would be too much for my motor......Im hoping I can get away with stage 2 cams with skunk2 valvetrain....<crossing fingers>

PURPLETERROR aka BIGMATT

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Stick with the skunk2 stage1's, a b16 with bolt ons and no tuning will run like crap on pro1', pro2's and stage2's. The stage1's will be fine with your setup.

crx2nr822

Well i am gonna tune off a chipped ecu, so it will be tuned. If it is tuned good, do u think i can run the stage 2's and still be fine on the street?

00Red_SiR

You can run the stage 2's (not pro series) in your B16 but they will only make like 10 more hp over the stage 1's at most in YOUR particular engine setup. B16's with just a few bolt-on's don't like big camshafts and respond better to smaller Type R or S2S1 cams. The power you want to get out of your b16 won't be found from throwing big cams at it....you'll have to do some internal modifications at some point. Until then you'll have to settle for decent power out of bolt-on's and reasonable cams and some DECENT tuning like a Hondata system or none of it will work the way you want it to.

PURPLETERROR aka BIGMATT

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I wouldnt reccomend the skunk stage2's for your setup, you really need headwork, compression, a good header, intake and tb to make good power with them. run the stage1's a 1 layer headgasket and properly adjusted camgears, get it tuned and you will have a nice daily driver

crx2nr822

Alright lemme give u a list of stuff i have on the motor and lemme know if my car is still categorized as just bolt ons:

Aem Hybrid cold air intake
JE throttle body (dont know what size)
Skunk2 intake manifold
STR fuel rail
B&M FPR
Skunk2 cam gears
CTR pulley
DC 4-1 Usdm header
Omni-power test pipe
Chipped Ecu
Apex VAFC-2 (just installed)

Not enough for stage 2s? if so, i'll just get the stage 1's and upgrade the valvetrain anyway... thanks for all the input guys i really appreciate it!

Used2beAb16

Ok dude u have a small bore size, and stock compression, and a little stroke. If you dont wanna change any of this **** you dont want big cams. Its not gonna make power!

All the pro series are big cams.

crx2nr822

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All the pro series are big cams.
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OK Yeah i kinda already said that the pro series where out of the picture now (further up in the thread) so now i'm just debating between stage 1's and stage 2's......thanks for the post

99skunkedSi

not to be a dick but not one person has told you to use anything bigger than a sg1 infact everyone has told you to stay away from all but the sg1 or R's. so once again just go with the sg1's at most!!

also being that i had a b16 with a little more done to it than you have and ran sg2's and only made like 5 more whp than people running sg1's. you can do it but i think you would be happier with sg1's

crx2nr822

Thanks for the advice bro.....looks like i will be picking up some stage 1's soon! If the hp gain is only like 5 hp more then i dont think im gonna run stage 2's. thats not worth the price.....well ill pick up the stage 1's and see how it goes from there.

99skunkedSi

sounds good, good luck man let us know how it turns out!!

crx2nr822

Thanks to everyone that posted their advice and helped me out! How much do the stage 1 skunks cost? I looked at 1 website and saw 550? that sounds like alot, so i think im gonna spend more time researching the prices.......

PURPLETERROR aka BIGMATT

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Check the classifieds

crx2nr822

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Will do! thanks

UncleD

iTrader: (2)

The S2S1's IMO are a very underated camshaft. I've seen em eclipse the 200 whp mark(in the right motor) and carry power clear up to 8.5-.8. They are a very good cam for mild motors, you'll be happy with em gaurenteed, good luck!

Used2beAb16

Good luck, S1S1 is probably the best choice.