GoldLudeRay

my set-up is a h22
with 12.0:1 cr
eagle rods
arp head studs
skunk2 stage2 tunner cam
crome ecu
camp1320 header(open)
itb's a maybe

is it worth the extra time to switch to e85 on set-up like mine
the motor is being built right now.
could i make more power?
i also am spraying a 150 wet shot on this motoe
is the e85 worth it?
what kinda compression is e85 really going to shine over pump?

lengualoco21

Yeah its worth it. And if your going to spray it you better run at least e85.When using spray timing gets retarded alot the more octane you have in the gas the less timing needs to be retarded. The more time you can add in Most Cases gives you more power.

GoldLudeRay

ok we got one for e85

e85=1
pump91=0

thanks

2fastGSR

I have seen a few tests locally that where all motor cars picked up a few hp switching to it.

I personally am not 100% on the e85 bandwagon just yet.

Keep in mind that with e85 you need more fuel to satisfy the motor, not sure how that would come into play with nitrous because running a wet system sprays both fuel and nitrous into motor (obviously) but those jets are for regular gasoline, not sure if the fuel mixture would be rich enough with e85 on those same jets.

The main question is - Is there an e85 station close to you?

GoldLudeRay

called my tuner
and he says there is most likely power to be found, he says he could advance timing more to make more power, he also said he has lots of jets on hand and yes you need bigger jets to get the same hp number, im thinking im going to try it

also i live in iowa, we have like 3 e85 stations within 30miles of where i live, one is only abou 2 miles from my house, but the car is only driven in the summer/spring months anyway

KB91Hatch

one it is a higher octane 105 i believe. and 2 it is an ethonal(my spelling sucks) based fuel so it has a lower combustion temp which is really ba. I have a friend that swears his life by e85 and has turned me into an e85 lover. Also i hear you can mix it half and half with 93 pump gas for a really nice racing mixture(dont know how that works but just a word of mouth thing) but i would definatly say it is way worth it

FST GSR 1

This is a new area for nitrous users that has shown promise...However, you shouldn't be using E85 with your typical nitrous kits and nozzles. The rubber plungers in the fuel solenoids currently are not capable of withstanding E85. The nozzles are not sized efficently to support the correct atomization of Nitrous and E85. NX and O2 have done tests and do produce single nozzle E85 kits currently.

I am actually in the preliminary process of designing a multiple module ethanol dispensing machine currently. So I have been testing materials and dealing with vendors daily. Learning a lot.

2fastGSR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KB91Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Also i hear you can mix it half and half with 93 pump gas for a really nice racing mixture(dont know how that works but just a word of mouth thing) but i would definatly say it is way worth it </TD></TR></TABLE>

Please do not EVER do this

KB91Hatch

no way that was i word of mouth thing i dont touch something unless its tried and proven to work well. I was only putting it out there. But why not since you said??


Modified by KB91Hatch at 11:25 AM 7/24/2008

GoldLudeRay

i didnot about the n20 kits not withstanding the e85... do they sell kits for the e85

FST GSR 1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GoldLudeRay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i didnot about the n20 kits not withstanding the e85... do they sell kits for the e85</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FST GSR 1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is a new area for nitrous users that has shown promise...However, you shouldn't be using E85 with your typical nitrous kits and nozzles. The rubber plungers in the fuel solenoids currently are not capable of withstanding E85. The nozzles are not sized efficently to support the correct atomization of Nitrous and E85. NX and O2 have done tests and do produce single nozzle E85 kits currently.
I am actually in the preliminary process of designing a multiple module ethanol dispensing machine currently. So I have been testing materials and dealing with vendors daily. Learning a lot.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If reading comprehension is tough, I'd stay away from the spray if I were you.

GoldLudeRay

got ya
lol

b.series

and just so you know you cant use 91 pump on a 150 shot

TrippinBull

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FST GSR 1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The rubber plungers in the fuel solenoids currently are not capable of withstanding E85.</TD></TR></TABLE>Yep, you can't just dump in E85 and go. The seals in your gas tank, the fuel lines, the fuel pump, the injectors all have to be certified for alcohol use. Otherwise you'll be dealing with $2,000 worth of damage like BigTuna.

KB91Hatch

i am really glad someone said that, i did not know that. i was going to run e85 with my new motor. instead i am just going to run 91 to much hassle for e85

FST GSR 1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KB91Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am really glad someone said that, i did not know that. i was going to run e85 with my new motor. instead i am just going to run 91 to much hassle for e85</TD></TR></TABLE> Huh? I was just in Joliet for the NMRA race and fueled up the TSX near there on my way in Friday...I know you can get 93.

GoldLudeRay

this thread says the stock fuel system will work?
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1812349

2fastGSR

the only thing i know my friend changed in his e85 car was the fuel pump. everything else stayed the same

GoldLudeRay

i was under the impression u just need a bigger fuel pump and lager injectors cause e85 burns differently

fast2camciv

hmm i was thinking of doing the same setup on an h2b with a 100shot. i have a few friends with boosted cars around where i live that run flawlessly on e85 using stock lines an everything...my car is setup to run e85 (when i was boosted) but i never got a chance to convert from race gas.

anyone have any info directly from nitrous companies that say e85 can NOT be used with their solenoids?

JayWest

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fast2camciv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
anyone have any info directly from nitrous companies that say e85 can NOT be used with their solenoids?</TD></TR></TABLE>

also very interested in this

and to think i was just about to get my car running on e85. i never thought to think the nitrous and e85 wouldnt work too well

rebo0t

I would run E85 if it was in my area, just make sure your fuel supply can support it.

JayWest

So after a bit of googling , it seems like most of the domestic guys on e85 recommend closer to 20-30% more fuel rather than 30-40

This thread had some good info http://e85forum.com/about294.html

Also, i was a bit worried about the solenoid issues with e85, so would any of you know if it would be best to just get a solenoid made for alchohol/nitro ?

I already have my NOS DP kit so i figure i will just get this http://www.holley.com/16060NOS.asp

bjones

as soon as a i finish my N\A 13:1 h23 vtec h2b build, i plan on running e85, many people on boost in my area are making great numbers with e85. just make sure to have atleast 550cc injectors and walbro 255 fuel pump.

efi2nr

13.5/1cr can be daily driven on e85