Jethro Tull

looking good brother

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Amateur pictures lol ok considering im not a professional photographer oooooh ya got me good job!

This is the "all motor" section right? How am I not posting relevant content? I asked for opinions on the work done. Did I ever ask anyone how it would perform? Did I ask how much HP do you guys think I will make? Did I ask anything other than hey got my head back from the shop what do you guys think?

Reading comprehension problems for yourself maybe.


Still waiting to hear why the journals shouldnt be blasted, they will be lubed and have new cams in them so I dont really see too much of a problem but again im open and waiting to hear why its not good other than the simpleton comments that were made. People like to quote what they read from other forums or threads and act like they know what their talking about.

I mean for ****s sake this website has turned too ****....I showed some work I had done for my all motor civic build, figured people might be interested....guess not.

KillaSIPP

Na its cool I guess all these Eturds just love watching Bill nYe the science guy to much. To me if all you wanted was a clean up port job and your happy, just bolt it up and go have fun with it. Dont let B19 or anyone else discourage you.

DC_Legacy

Check the cam journal clearances with plastiguage upon installation of the cams to verify that there all within the tolerances listed in the manual.

Not saying that media blasting is a bad thing when cleaning metallurgy, or that your guy did anything thing wrong, just that areas like your cam journals are a sensitive area to work on when using a cleaning method that can also remove metal so I imagine if not done properly or overdone someone could accidently erode enough material away from the journals to make them uneven or out of spec causing play within the journals once the cams are installed.

Just my take on it.

KARSON

how much was all that?
was it worth it.

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thank you, that is a perfect explanation. I checked visually at one spot that had a slight mark on it previously and its still there just a little smoother so i dont think it was a ton of material taken off in those areas from a VISUAL.

I spent $692 which included valve seals, valve guides, reconditioning and street port + polish, valve job for new valves plus install of everything seen.

which i dont think is too bad. the real question was it worth it, well i will see once i bolt it all together. I have a gsr block i have been working on and putting new pieces on i just had to take a break on the block to get the head done. im hoping the motor runs strong for a good 3 more years and makes good power be it 180 or 200 im not that worried but i want it to run smooth and be fun....thats what this is all really about anyway...a hobby for fun.


By the way thank you for the positive comments and helpfull comments. Once I have everything assembled and broken in i will have it on a dyno and we can see how horribly my head performs because it wasnt done by portflow or whoever!

racebum

same thoughts i had

port wise, not a lot was done which is okay, it's just, honestly, you could watch a standard abrasives video, spend $50 on a kit and get similar results.

i also have been of the school you never blast the cam journals.

Conan the Destroyer

hey, B19coupe is actually right, and took the diplomatic approach when addressing you and your head.

however, im just going to say you sound like a whiney immature bitch who wanted us all to tell you how awesome your 692 CLEANING job is.


call a spade a spade <--write that down.


and about portflow... if you approached that guy with same attitude you display on here, he would have given you a valve job, gasket match, and hot tank, and deposited your whiney 1,000 bucks right into his bank account and moved right on to a quality, possibly repeat customer worth spending more than 20 minutes on.

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great post thanks for contributing! i never said anything about my awesome head, i love how you guys make **** it up its great! i have seen some of you post and its always the same story so it doesnt bother me what you say and a couple others.

just keep being trolls and contributing nothing.

good thing im an 03 member or im sure you would attack that too ?

what am i whining about, there are a few ******** in this thread and thats about it.



you dont like the work that was done then gtfo...you have nothing to show that my head is not going to perform fine...like others have said pictures you cant really tell anyway. but the ethugs came out for this one didnt they.

Do you care to contribute actual knowledge?

doubtful.

you cant even do math, you think valve guides and valve seals are free? guess my head wasnt 692 for cleaning now was it genius?

alterdcreations

Your head looks decent to me. looks like you got more than you paid for so go have fun.

tagperformance

Porting the head is pretty much useless if you don't have some aftermarket high lift cams to take advantage of it. I would hope that you are using some aftermarket cams considering that you added new valvetrain and lma's.

98vtec

the appearance and cosmetic forum is a little further down on the main forum.

00Red_SiR

Reading comprehension? This is NOT the "all motor" section, this is the All Motor TECHNICAL section. Posting pictures of a head and looking for uninformed subjective opinions about how the head looks is NOT technical content as B19coupe and others have pointed out. Had you posted some before and after data such as flow, dyno numbers etc, your post would have been justified, being posted here. In all honesty and not trying to sound like a dick, if you had posted this thred in the proper forum, it would have ended up in the Civic forum and or the cosmetic appearance forum.

This site has turned to **** because people don't seem to be able to read and comprehend where they should and shouldn't be posting. The people you and others like to call ethugs happen to be the last of a dieing few left on this site trying to save what's left of it. They are trying to correct you and others because they care (or cared) about what this site was meant to be. The moderators can't do it all.

B18C1CYA

The ports look nothing more than just being cleaned from the casting flash , also your intake runners are to smooth like mentioned b4 , I realy dont like the idea that your cam journals where media blasted , I would check the clearences and try to get them polished back up like they used to be. I personaly would have left the head alone and not even of had a port job done , who know is might hurt more than help with no flow numbers to go by v's the stock ports.

mar778c

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OP, this thread does not contribute any technical information what so ever. Based on the pics, you could have had any competent shop just lap in some new valves and you could have cleaned the ports youself. While you consider what others are saying as negative, they are simply trying to get you to make a positive contribution. Dyno the thing and post it.

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how is this still open? it was closed now re-opened?

plenty of tech in this thread apparently contributed by some of you per yourselves so .....

just close the thread, several people that posted did not follow all motor faq rules to a t then.


the thread could have been moved by a mod like they do all the time but they didnt?

96halx

Can posts not be moved by the mods (serious question, some places can and some can't or won't, just wondering)? If they can, why wasn't it just moved instead of adding at least 20 useless posts that just give people a bad impression of this site and the people on it.
If ANYONE had tried to handle a situation like this with me in person and taken the approach used here, I wouldn't have done a damn thing I was asked and would have done my best to inconvenience everyone involved.

Bottom line, why didn't someone just move (or delete) the post and PM the OP as to why, calmly explaining to him the reason why the action was taken. It is a valid, useful post even in this section, seeing as how it shows what a port looks like after a flashing cleanup, and explains why one might not want to have their cam journals media blasted.

Pi$$ing people off is no way to convince them to comply with what your wanting them to do<---effing write that down

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i agree and im still puzzled to why the thread was closed and 20 mins later re-opened.

maybe i should have posted in the appearance section but to me i thought i would get some comments from some engine builders that might make sense not just bashing or saying one liner negative comments which is also against faq rules since that is what is being sad i did wrong. to those who asked for flow numbers and dyno stuff, give me a break i picked the head up friday and have not even installed it on the block yet. When I do have numbers i will post them and return to this locked/unlocked thread.

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Did you read my post where I said i was going to run Blox B competitions?


i really dont think the minor porting and polishing is going to hurt my head, by polishing the cam journals doesnt that remove more material and isnt that what you guys are talking about is bad in the first place? Cant go both ways fellas either it is bad or its is good...how is that not technically related to an all motor build.

remember i only asked for a street port and polish just a basic cleaning up to smooth the airflow up. if you subtract the valve seals and vales guides cost i paid in the 400's for install recon and porting... not too bad in my book. Sure i could have done this myself, i work like everyone else and have been assembling the block in my spare time so i needed to get this done by a shop or i will never finish.

Thanks again to those who had some positive comments....i made the mistake of posting in the all motor section next time i dunno i will post somewhere like hondaswap where i was always treated right.

alterdcreations

lol

ruffrhyder

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Price is a bit high, in my opinion. For example, I pay $20 for oem seals, $190 for supertech valves, $100 for bronze guides, $100 for 3 angle valve job and backcut valves, and $80 to install. So it's looks like you paid around $150-200 to clean up the ports, which probably won't net you much gains that a performance VJ wouldn't give you.

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valve job was done as well you just cant see it in the photos. i paid 6 bucks per valve guide 6 per to install them so 12 bucks for each valve guide installed = $192 that could be high i dunno. new seals were 20ish bucks and installed for free. not too many places in my area that i know of that are trustworthy to do work so i went to them and their prices seemed fair but maybe not.

supertech parts were completely seperate purchases all from jhpusa for pretty reasonable amounts with the 10 percent coupon i had and there sales they had at the time.

all-mtr-teg

So what was total spent on head and parts?
And to those saying that porting is useless without flow bench results, do you honestly believe every porter flow benches every single head? Gasket matching is pretty hard to mess up, and I'm pretty sure that once a porter becomes familiar with a head that he's done numberous times, he can get CFM numbers to be pretty close to one another without flow benching every head. Otherwise that would take a lot of time and prices would reflect that.

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$489 for supertech race flat face valves, valve springs + alum retainers, $210 for new style lma's

$700 bucks basically plus $692 for the head work including seals + bronze guides

$1392 - new lma's cant really count that so $1182 compared to $1766 for same type of work obviously portflows could or would have been better in most peoples opinions but i dont know since i have never used them.

checking portflows website just for a starting price this would have been around $1766 plus shipping both ways.

Package Price
STD. HONDA HEADWORK + Parts
Port Flow Black Nitrite Valves & Port Flow Titaniu Retainer & Dual Spring Kit

$1500

***add 216.00 for Bronze Guides***
***add 50.00 for Supertech Parts***

$1766

add another $100 if i wanted a flow chart

all-mtr-teg

So $1182 for the parts and work. Doesn't sound bad at all. New guides, valves, springs, retainers and seals.
Just curious, 3 angle valve job?