Clevite bearings???
12-26-2005, 06:17 PM
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Re: Clevite bearings??? (Michael Delaney)
actually they are just what the guy who is building my motor suggested. he apparently has been using them forever and had no failures, but i just wanted to hear some other peoples experiences or opinions about them. i know most guys go ACL or OEM but I figure if this guy says its good to go I do trust him because never once has he done me wrong.
12-26-2005, 08:40 PM
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Re: Clevite bearings??? (2000turbogsr)
As long as the clearances are checked and are where you want them, I don't see why they wouldn't be good. No personal experience with them in a Honda Motor, but have had no problems in other things I have done with Clevite bearings. 
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12-26-2005, 10:19 PM
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clevite77! 77%copper bearings. I know of alot of machine shops that build crazy domestic motors and run those bearings all day long back in CO. They're very good bearings. A friend of mine that makes 500+whp in his turbo GSR runs them aswell.
12-26-2005, 11:59 PM
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i have used them before, they are a very good bearing. from my experiences there really arent bad bearings out there. There is just bad engine builders who blame bearings. i have used, clevites, kings, acl, factory honda etc. and have good success with all. as long as your clearances are on and mchine work is on point your good to go.
if your engine builder is comfortable with clevites then you should be too.
if your engine builder is comfortable with clevites then you should be too.
12-27-2005, 06:06 AM
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If you want to see people who use and love clevite, go look at any domestic forum... although they may not be popular in the import world they are great bearings.
12-27-2005, 06:13 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by miller »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have used them before, they are a very good bearing. from my experiences there really arent bad bearings out there. There is just bad engine builders who blame bearings. i have used, clevites, kings, acl, factory honda etc. and have good success with all. as long as your clearances are on and mchine work is on point your good to go.
if your engine builder is comfortable with clevites then you should be too. </TD></TR></TABLE>
how much of a cost difference is there between these if they all essentially have the same quality control precision and material tolerances for strength and lubricity?
it's my understanding that OEM honda , from batch to batch, has the benchmark for precision. You get what it says on the label. The measurements aren't off. The industry likes them because of this . The price is also what attracts people to using them because they can do the same as aftermarket but are an OEM at a lower cost.
if your engine builder is comfortable with clevites then you should be too. </TD></TR></TABLE>
how much of a cost difference is there between these if they all essentially have the same quality control precision and material tolerances for strength and lubricity?
it's my understanding that OEM honda , from batch to batch, has the benchmark for precision. You get what it says on the label. The measurements aren't off. The industry likes them because of this . The price is also what attracts people to using them because they can do the same as aftermarket but are an OEM at a lower cost.
12-27-2005, 06:24 AM
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^ i dont understand your post... what bearings are you referring to with your last statement? (the people are attracted b/c of price, but are oem at a lower cost)
12-27-2005, 07:22 AM
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I can tell you that when I comparison shopped for OEM for the Bseries, the cost was lower for us up here. Now, where I got screwed was when Honda decided to have a backorder problem on the bearings in the middle of the summer when the demand was the highest during the season. That's when the pricing changed. But for the most part, when there wasn't a supply shortage, the aftermarket bearing cost was higher than OEM.
Secondly, the most common knock I have heard from engine builders about aftermarket bearings has been their consistency from batch to batch. Some people are more particular about how much tolerance they will accept as people have said.
I'm in definite agreement with NRG in that the important thing that supercedes the product is the install and machine work since it can overcome most of the variances that go with quality control on the bearings. It's difficult to sort out the chicken or the egg on whether the bearing failed and the damage was caused by this or whether the workmanship had a weakness and this let oil come into the space and disrupt the bearing's function leading to failure...but there have been countless of articles explaining how to read bearings and why they fail. It'd be nice to review those when you get the chance.
I think perhaps it's sweeping things under the rug when you don't have a bit more due diligence on trying to sort out if a bearing actually failed with oil around for structural reasons and blame everything on bad install practices though. It may happen 90% of the time that bad install is the egg. But it's the 10% where it isn't that you want to know. Federal Mogul bearings were tried early on in the mid 1990's on these engines as an alternative to OEM and you have to ask yourself why they haven't become popular, if the idea that they are all the same is true.
People will walk away from this conversation with the notion as a general rule install is the blame and don't worry about the bearing choice. Is that the general idea though?
Secondly, the most common knock I have heard from engine builders about aftermarket bearings has been their consistency from batch to batch. Some people are more particular about how much tolerance they will accept as people have said.
I'm in definite agreement with NRG in that the important thing that supercedes the product is the install and machine work since it can overcome most of the variances that go with quality control on the bearings. It's difficult to sort out the chicken or the egg on whether the bearing failed and the damage was caused by this or whether the workmanship had a weakness and this let oil come into the space and disrupt the bearing's function leading to failure...but there have been countless of articles explaining how to read bearings and why they fail. It'd be nice to review those when you get the chance.
I think perhaps it's sweeping things under the rug when you don't have a bit more due diligence on trying to sort out if a bearing actually failed with oil around for structural reasons and blame everything on bad install practices though. It may happen 90% of the time that bad install is the egg. But it's the 10% where it isn't that you want to know. Federal Mogul bearings were tried early on in the mid 1990's on these engines as an alternative to OEM and you have to ask yourself why they haven't become popular, if the idea that they are all the same is true.
People will walk away from this conversation with the notion as a general rule install is the blame and don't worry about the bearing choice. Is that the general idea though?
12-27-2005, 11:42 AM
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Re: (2000turbogsr)
I agree with NRG that if your engine builder is someone you trust and comfortable with them and suggests them then that's what you roll with...
12-27-2005, 01:12 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by miller »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have used them before, they are a very good bearing. from my experiences there really arent bad bearings out there. There is just bad engine builders who blame bearings. i have used, clevites, kings, acl, factory honda etc. and have good success with all. as long as your clearances are on and mchine work is on point your good to go.
if your engine builder is comfortable with clevites then you should be too. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well said...
if your engine builder is comfortable with clevites then you should be too. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well said...
12-30-2005, 05:54 PM
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Re: Clevite bearings??? (2000turbogsr)
My normal import supplier is closed for the holidays so we bought some Clevites for a gsr, opened the box and found out they were reboxed Kings.
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