jyang408

if one already have a chip ecu to set your vtec, and redline. a wideband o2 and a fuel converter and good knowledge of how an engine works is all you need. the hondata and neptune stuff is for those who dont have a chip ecu, nor a air fuel converter nor know very few about engine performance. and remember hondatech, even with hondata s300 or demon/neptune you would need a WIDEBAND o2 to tune correctly.

so why need to spend extra money on a unit that just going to let you set your vtec and redline and maybe launch control. im not new to racing and i dont buy on all the new stuff that gets release yearly. i go with what works and a wideband o2 with a air fuel converter and a chip ecu works perfectly to me! unless i was planning on buying a brand new chip ecu, a brand new new air/fuel converter, than yes... just get the hondata, neptune/demon

theres not a problem with old school. we were running 10's all motor back then with that set up when there wasn't even hondata.

if you dont know much about wideband tuning and trust hondata and a laptop than go that route! im not...

Zaraki

Is it just me or are all your posts just rediculous....?

BigBlock22

??????????

90LSpimpin

Dude, clearly has no idea what the fawk he's talking about. Based on the OP's thread content, I've come to the conclusion that he's looking for the least effective header he can buy, slap on, and feel cool. Anything that's actually effective will drastically change air flow and afr's, thus the need for tuning to optimize. "Out the box" performance typically will entail purchasing a part that does little to nothing, gaining you madd *** dyno HP, but no real change.
Also there are a ton of other freeware type/ and cheaper programs that are more effective and accurate than an AFC tune. Stop trying to sound like you know what you're talkin about and let these guys impose some knowledge on you.

90LSpimpin

People were runnin 10's. I HIGHLY doubt you were one of them.

Evil Ryu

cool. wish there was a dyno / thread posted though.

DDTECH

there is.. search.

00Red_SiR

I am of the "old school" crowd and I hear what you're saying but you're wrong. You should know that technology and innovation does not stand still. What worked back in the mid 90's and was considered innovative/acceptable does not mean it still does/is now. Using that logic, it would be like saying, there'll never be a style that can top the 80's acid washed jeans, mullet/big hair and skinny leather ties.

I still use the valuable "old school" basic principles and apply them but unlike yourself, I fully recognize and embrace the current technology and it's benefits compared to what I did 10-15 years ago. If you really had a good grasp of performance, you'd see the value of what people are trying to tell you here.

DC_Legacy

Oh I see......well heres a shot of my WIDEBAND O2 using Ectune for convienent logging, I mean it may be more costly but I feel the cost would be well justified if I were tuning.

jyang408

laddys.... i never said that hondata was not a good program.

some1 ask me why i chose apexi afc for tunning and i told him why. theres just too manny cockblockers that think they know everything in honda-tech. you blockers need to know that "not" everyone has rich parents or lots of cash money going into there bank account.

i told the guy.. with my already chip ecu for my current set-up that has a good program for what im running already, all i need is a afc to tune with my wideband and that should do it for the additional header ad on. laddys im not adding on a turbo kit! im adding on a race header to replace my DC only. plus im a poor racing man with a family to feed. i rather spend $80 on a afc because i know how to tune very well with it on a wideband than $600 on hondata. the extra $500 well be going for bills, food, and children needs. people! dont make racing pull you to bankruptcy and devorce!

haters keep hating please! i have better things to do with my life. see ya at the race tracks.

i dont mod cars with money cuz i dont have a lot, i mod cars with passion, knowledge and budgeting.

some1 want to talk shitz about my tunning.. come to san jose, CA and ill race you anytime with what ever you got. leave me your number..

DC_Legacy

Ok **** blocking, lol?? I dont see how HT commenting on your tuning prefference has anything to do with rather or not your capable of getting laid in the here and now.

Reguarding the cost aspect of these modern platforms, whats wrong with saving your money until you have enough for these items? I can assure you that those here who would recommend these alternatives have wifes, kids, homes,and the whole nineyards to budget before their hobbies. To say you have to be wealthy to afford what you want is benign.

All this aside, Im sure the Apexi will do just fine for your needs but I wouldnt preffer to use a hack when I could make my own changes to the ROM it self.

my $.02

jyang408

your $.02 has just been refunded to you. i dont need people to tell me hondata or other like programs are better than a afc! i already know hondata is better but way more cost effective.. i didn't come in here asking for tuning devices tips did i? i just told one my current set-up. and there's just too many of you trying to hi-jack a comment to make you sound smart and wanted in this world. your prob the 1st to opent a fortune cookie that says... "your a loser"

why dont you and your friends go hi-jack other people comments and leave mines alone! go look for some one trying to tell there choice of intake and tell them there wrong and no matter what.. its just your $.02

you prob like playing with yourself cuz u seem like the type that thinks your hot!

SKILLED DRIVER

a replica because there cheap

jyang408

at the end of the day.. using a HACK or making changes to the ROM it self serves the same purpose which is: to tune the fuel curve to get a steady air/fuel ratio reading. either way work and either way will not blow a motor or make u lose HP if tune correctly. the big differ is $CASH$. im a builder. if i bought a race header and want it in right now. im not going to put in the header and wait to save the $600 than buy a hondata. ill rather just buy a afc right away and have the header working right away! i dont like to save and wait. i like to go fast.. FAST!

Top Ramen

Actually, it would be "you're a loser", loser. . .


And, the AFC can't control ignition timing, so its not really tuning, its a band-aid.

DC_Legacy

Grow up fool, learn how to write and try to sound some what itelligent instead of sounding like some G'd out wangster whos gets all defensive when people share their opinions.

This is a public forum so save some face and refrain from posting until you can respond without acting like a highschool level adolecent.

If you dont want to listen to others advice here by all means go ruin your motor because most here can already guess you will judging by the context of your posts.

jyang408

by telling some1 to grow up because you hi-jacked there comment is lamo!get a life dude! drop it.

you sound like a retard because you dont get a word im saying. i have never blow up a motor using my tuning method on a NOS, turbo or NA set ups. if you dont realy get how a wideband manual tuning is.. you could just ask and be mature. stop trying to sound smart! you just sound like a fool to me. im too old and experience to hear your childish crap.

why dont you just come down to san jose, ca and lets settle it in a race best out of 3. see who's got the better built car. ill pay for your trip once you get here and beat me. thats is if you do. ill woop your *** than show you my $80 apexi afc. than ill be happy to show you how to fine tune an engine with a wideband o2 with a afc.

mar778c

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^^DC,

Save yourself from wasting time. This guy is unfortunate.

jyang408

another smart *** hi-jacker!

so who usually gets to stay on top? you or DC?

mar778c

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Wow, I feel really hurt behind that comment.

BLU CIVIC

so did we find the best header for a B16b? i'm in the process of searching now.

ShaunRR

mar778c

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Toda, Spoolin Performance

BLU CIVIC

i'll have to research that Spoolin Performance header...i was looking at the RMF Narrow 4-1 header and ProFab tri-y header

mikeycivic

wow this thread got heated!!! There is way too much info to decide which is the best for the money. I ended up getting a 4-2-1 SS 5Zigen header. Now I need to decide on my exhaust setup