ExospeedAMcrx

The non-vtec Bser is underrated in my opinion. We've seen consistent setups into the 170s with our RaceLS grinds on stock blocks/built heads.

My old D16A6 NA setup that made 190s was already pushing out 140tq and thats only a 1.7L Non-vtecs should get more credit for what they can do. Not everyone is going for 1/4mile records. These non-vtec builds are good enough for what most people want and really need to us.

joni_titi

In your build we are more talking about a B21, and your low RS ration help you with torque.

1.5Slowmatic

what does RS have to do with torque? His torque is from the long stroke and big bore. A low RS doesnt give you more torque. The long stroke does. The low RS happens to be a symptom of the longer stroke

88Hatchy

I don't want to be too much of an ***, but your engine is a perfect example of why to use a vtec head. If I made the the same amount of power as that from that much money, I would be embarrassed. For comparison, a BONE STOCK H22 (same displacement as your engine) with a bolt-ons and a tune can make more power. Not to mention my little 87mm stroke 1.8L makes nearly as much torque as your 97mm stroke 2.2L.

ExospeedAMcrx

I disagree. Is HP all that we're going for all the time? Maybe I'm just different and I've played with different types of engines the past years, and starting out with the SOHC from the beginning. But I think the build isnt in always in the "numbers" Isnt it the challenge, the thought process in how you're going to build it to achieve a certain goal?

If it was always a comparison between another engine to another, why not just say drop a J32 in that EK, it'll have more torque than your common b,h,k swaps. But it should never be a comparison. The reason I'm sure one guy chose to do a H22 is because they like that engine. Another reason why someone chooses a B over an H, its because thats what they want to do, regardless of "numbers".

I can have as much fun trying to extract that 5hp out of a d16 just as much as that 100hp extra in a boosted b-series. Thats just me I guess and thats why I guess I can stay sane talking about engines all day long with people all these years. lol.

Build what you want. Its pointless to compare which can do more or if VTEC can make it "better", there's always another reason to top that reason on why one is inferior over the other.

1.5Slowmatic

yo do realize thats on stock LS cams? Once the 404 cams go in there that number is going to grow substantially and make over 200hp easily and make more trq than your VTEC motor will

joni_titi

My bad by RS I was refering to longer stroke.

ohsnapzafingcu

iTrader: (2)

yeah, jumping from a domestic v6/v8 to a dinky inline 4 the torque isn't comparable, but a built non vtec motor has a great consistent power band. i've seen plenty of b20 non vtec setups peak torque at 2.5-3k and that seems to tickle me. Roast the tires laying into it at 3k? sure!

93delslow315

good luck with your build

b20btegg

thanks guys, im still doing research on what i wanna do, my stock b20 is fun as hell already cause the torque is instantly there you dont have to wait and wind up the motor, i can only imagine what cams and a little head work would feel like

Frankacura

I realy like my stroked B20 runing stock LS cams with 148TQ at the weel. 140TQ at 2000rpm
Ran 13.9 street tires @ 96mph


https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...2658830&page=6
Dyno on page 3

d16sandrail

I could make you one of these that says #uck VTEC on it or something? lol :-)

b20btegg

that would be sick but how much lol,

b20btegg

i wanna see the gains you get with the 404s man, im thinkin about getting some for my build

d16sandrail

Buy some Exospeed cams, let me do your head work and I'll toss in a spark plug cover for free??? :-) sounds like a win-win to me.

got00rice

when you have a nice face car...you'll want it to be faster...

b20btegg

do you own a shop, do you have anybody that can vouch for you? ill probably stay local with who builds my head

kentucky accord

i can think of dozens of non-vtec all motor race cars that are doing solid numbers, both on the track and the dyno.

back in the day, all you saw were non-vtec drag cars and they were killing it.

i say build what you want but do your homework and do it right the first time. with proper headwork and cams, you can have a very usable and broad powerband.

high compression + big cams + good tune = FUN

Puma909

You should also offer him some bare $10 tires as slicks. Dude GE did their research and the executed the machining properly. Any one can install the GE kit, with out issues. There is more to the few parts you mentioned and there are processes that not everyone can do.

88Hatchy

Dart Block... Check
97mm stroker crank... Check
Custom Rods... Check
Custom Pistons...Check

Don't kid yourself into thinking what you have is a Honda engine. Its possible to achieve decent power with a non-vtec block, but they will NEVER beat their vtec counterparts (with everything else equal).

Frankacura

the guy is asking for some set up that make torque and at low RPM...
Nonvtec make TQ at Low rpm.
Is not asking for a stock honda motor
Eagle 95 crank so you dont need custom rods and pistons. ( they come in a kit)
And just dont know what you mean wit your ( but they will NEVER beat their vtec counterparts (with everything else equal))
I also want BIG TORQUE even at low rpm. So check it out in Mars wen redynoed with the 404"s
Ill open a new Tread on ( My Nonvtec B22B Frankenstein 404 camed Dyno)
And i will run it at the track to show NONVTEC POWER
even if i do believe in Vtec power
Set up will be VTEC after next summer (Toda B)

Hatorade

True. But since most of us have nonvtec blocks to begin with, it is easier/cheaper to build what we have then to drop $3k into a complete swap only to have stock GSR numbers.


You obviously haven't done your research. every setup comparison will be different so I'll just put mine.
A budget LsV with a stock GSR head, stock bottom end will cost around $4,675.
A budget nonvtec setup with a complete crower 404 head, again stock bottom and everything else the same costs $3,535.

Both will yield similar power (i think around 150~155whp).


ANYWAY, to answer the OP, please see below for my setup. Still collecting parts for it, but I have the major stuff already (crower 404 head, gsr tranny, etc). As stated above, I am aiming for 155whp.

LS with 404s

Total 3535

ECU
Pherable basemap 150
Conversion harness 75
Tune ?


Head & Block
Gasket rebuild kit 160
ARP headstuds 150
Timing belt 80
Water pump 30
Oil Pump 110
LS head with 404s 450
GSRtranny 400
Labour @ iGarage 500
clutch 300
Type R flywheel 50
mfactory Cam gears 110
B&M FPR 20

Track stuff
Tires 250
HP+ Pads 100 I/H/E
Headers 350
Exhaust 200
Exhaust install 50