jeremy.

i know acl bearings are cheaper...but what are your opinions on them?

Big Teggie

I have used ACL before with no problems

There quality is top notch for the price

TimoneX

I've been on ACL bearings for 8 mos or so. They're quality bearings.

wm5holla

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek_jeremy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i know acl bearings are cheaper...but what are your opinions on them?</TD></TR></TABLE> how much ? i called NAPA and they wante 99.99 for a b18 motor

ALLMTRWHORE

they are all one size and wont give you a the right fit all the time! might be to loose or too tight not all cranks and blocks are the same! just use oem you'll be saved headache in the long run and not have premature engine failure due to oil starvation!

sander

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ALLMTRWHORE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they are all one size and wont give you a the right fit all the time! might be to loose or too tight not all cranks and blocks are the same! just use oem you'll be saved headache in the long run and not have premature engine failure due to oil starvation!</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah if they dont spec out, then just go with honda. i use honda bearings on my motors because you can get diffrent sizes based on your clearance specs unlike acl. Im not saying acl's are bad just i dont like the fact that one size fits all, id rather mix and match bearings to get the right size

-sander

earl

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ALLMTRWHORE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they are all one size and wont give you a the right fit all the time! might be to loose or too tight not all cranks and blocks are the same! just use oem you'll be saved headache in the long run and not have premature engine failure due to oil starvation!</TD></TR></TABLE>I would love to know where you get this information. Tell us how many motors you have built with ACL's to say this. And please tell us the exact measurements of what is in spec and what is out of spec. At what exact spec to you find this oil starvation you talk about?

advanracing62

ALLMTRWHORE- about to get own3d!
ACL bearings have looser "tolerances" but are generally still within spec. The looser tolerance allows oil to get to the crank, and it will be harder to starve for oil... But let's see your proof....

skribblah

i personally would use OEM simply because i have seen other bearings and i have seen OEM bearings, and i tell you, nothing NOTHING can beat genuine honda quality.

RS_H22

ACL bearings are all Honda greens... spend the extra $80 and get the exact bearings your block calls for... Just my $.02

evilxkid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skribblah &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i personally would use OEM simply because i have seen other bearings and i have seen OEM bearings, and i tell you, nothing NOTHING can beat genuine honda quality.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i think the acl quality is better. the materials are stronger and the design is better. oem parts are not allways the best, you have to remember that most oem parts are heavely mas produced at the cheapest prices posable.

skribblah

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i think the acl quality is better. the materials are stronger and the design is better. oem parts are not allways the best, you have to remember that most oem parts are heavely mas produced at the cheapest prices posable.</TD></TR></TABLE>

are you kidding? honda OWNS the factorys that make the parts! where do you think ACL gets their bearings from?? i bet its some random shop that passes their quality check once every 90 days...

Dual Cams

I go with OEM honda bearings. thats exactly what the block ask for so thats what i'm going with.

but there are people out there using ACL bearings on street or race motors, and they come out fine too.

RedZone

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are you kidding? Honda OWNS the factory's that make the parts! where do you think ACL gets their bearings from?? i bet its some random shop that passes their quality check once every 90 days...</TD></TR></TABLE>

ACL is a company that is based in Australia and does make bearings for allot of car manufactures as well as other parts distributors. If you must know ACL bearings are 99% of the time in spec as long as the crank in good condition and that there is no taper. I recommended Plastiguageing the crank and rod bearings to be sure that there in spec. Within in Spec would be :

B18a, B18b, B18c
Mains
New: No. 1,2,4,5 caps: 0.024mm - 0.042mm (.00009 - 0.0017in)
Sevice limit: 0.050mm (0.0020in)

New: No. 3 Cap: 0.030 - 0.048mm (0.0012 - 0.0019in)
Service Limit: 0.060mm (0.0024 in)


B18a, B18b
Rods
New: 0.020 - 0.038mm (0.0008 - 0.0015in)
Service Limit: 0.050mm (0.0020in)

B18c
Rods
New: 0.032 - 0.050mm (0.0013 - 0.0020in)
Service Limit: 0.060mm (0.0024in)

You can get plastiguage at your local parts store and it comes with directions.

Hope this helps.

SuperTwinz

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dual Cams &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I go with OEM honda bearings. thats exactly what the block ask for so thats what i'm going with.

but there are people out there using ACL bearings on street or race motors, and they come out fine too. </TD></TR></TABLE>Greg your block is asking you to finish it. Actually its begging you.

TimoneX

My first hand impression of ACL bearings is that they're every bit as well made as OEM Honda bearings. There's no mystery work involved in their installation either. You plastiguage everything and if something is too far out of spec you get the appropriate Honda bearing for that journal. Simple as that.

earl

"are you kidding? honda OWNS the factorys that make the parts! where do you think ACL gets their bearings from?? "

For the life of me, I don't know where people come up with statements like this.
ACL is an OEM bearing manufacturer for most of the world other than the USA and Asia. They supply bearings for Ford and GM.
Honda's bearing quality is great. Do any of you guys who just swap color for color in a rebuild, ever double check your clearances to see if the crank has not changed? You can't just throw the same color in and think everything is ok.

Arturbo

So does clevite and Federal but you wont see me use those either.

art

advanracing62

I don't think we are dealing with kids that know how to build motors here Earl. I'm thinking that they are just putting things together like Chilton's says, and not thinking about what it is that they want to do with the motor.. or what parts are good for their application. Oh well they make us money!

earl

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Arturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So does clevite and Federal but you wont see me use those either.

art</TD></TR></TABLE>But those are not a tri-metal bearing like ACL or Honda.

Arturbo

Also check this out:
http://www.popularhotrodding.c...mouse/

You dont see nascar using ACL, clevite or Federal. They use OEM honda for a reason. Sorry Earl, you can all day but this is where I disagree with you.

art

earl

Hey, I know those guys...they are the ones that keep selling those camshafts that break.
Talk to guys at Calico who supply NASCAR guys their coated bearings. They aren't Hondas

Arturbo

And the rods that are in our motor right now as we speak. And the same guys that make a crank for Erick Aguliar.

ALLMTRWHORE

lol earl I wont get into with you bro! but many upon many engine bulders dont like using these bearings due to the fact of the one size fits all crap ( top enigne builders not studio engine builders!) if it's to loose you wont have enough oil pressure which is caused by the bearing in your crank which may cause a bearing to be shot out in high RPMS! to tight and well you starve your engine with oil! the thing you need most to lubricate your enigne! hey your a moderator and well you know best! I dont know **** I guess! but I wont get into this lil game of yours to back my specifics! hey if you guys want to use acl bearings go for it! but ask alot of engine builders what they are using? they will 90 percent of the time tell you honda bearings!

hey your nascar engine builder buddy should know that nascar is using honda bearings in there cars! but I guess endyn already knew that! I guess so did you!

dont discredit honda! 90 percent of people will be happier in the long run knowing they used oem stuff! but hey this is all opinions! and as a moderator what ever you say is as holy as the bible? I just try to help out and comment you don't have to take my word for it! I just hate to mislead people with a product I dont believe in! not saying it's not good but I dont use them and no one I know uses them!

ALLMTRWHORE

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by advanracing62 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ALLMTRWHORE- about to get own3d!
ACL bearings have looser "tolerances" but are generally still within spec. The looser tolerance allows oil to get to the crank, and it will be harder to starve for oil... But let's see your proof....</TD></TR></TABLE>

HAHA! hey this is what you believe in fine! you have a valid opinion. but as you know every block and cranks are all different and one size fits all does not do it for me! I hate half assing ****! and anyone who has built a engine will tell you not every engine is alike! I have seen 9 sec cars been built from the ground up, but I wont sit back and have someone tell me I am about to get owned! lmao! I just love looking out for people at honda tech! except for the honda-tech know it all that think they are god! which they make everyone feel like **** for expressing a opinion!