VTIargentina

Hi guys

I want to bore my throttle body to 62mm it is a b16 and actual size is 60mm

should I spect any hp gain?


my setup

b16a2
ITR camshaft
Hytech replica header
2.5 exhaust
AEM tru power pulleys
AEM V2
full home made grounding with voltage stabilizer
MSD blaster ss coil
APEXI VAFC2

actual 163whp on dynojet.

will I get any beneficts on taking my throttle body from the original 60mm to 62mm?

88Hatchy

maxbore.com can make it 64mm

VTIargentina

that is nice but I am from Argentina. so maxbore.com is not an option.

my concern is, will I get benefits of a 62mm throttle body? a friend that will sell his ek4 has one and I will give him mine (60mm) and he will give me yours 62mm no cost!!!

tell me If I will get benefits without changing the intake manifold? will I notice gains without max bore the Intake manifold?

88Hatchy

probably nothing noticeable

Adam_b16a

Why dont you just buy a aftermarket throttle body?

00Red_SiR

because OEM quality is always better than aftermarket when it comes to TB's and he can swap them without spending a cent.

I would swap them, you won't lose any power and will probably gain a little with your build so you have nothing to lose.

Adam_b16a

OEM quality? Are you serious? What happens when you modify a oem part? It no longer becomes oem and you hinder its 'reliabilty' and 'quality' so to speak. Just because its aftermarket doesnt make it any less reliable than oem. Honda didnt mass produce their throttle bodies to be modified and refited with larger throttle plates. And if oe is your main concern then you need to look at spoon TB and omnipower throttle bodies because they use the exact same casting and assembly process as oem.

88Hatchy

Generally when a throttle body is bored, it is reassembled by hand and the throttle plate is fitted by hand. I would much rather have a hand assembled part than a mass-produced part. Just because aftermarket companies use the same methods does not mean they are the same quality. Materials and QC have a lot to do with it. It is also a lot less expensive to have an OEM TB modified than to fork over all cash for the name brand crap. Just Because is says Spoon or Omnipower on it does not mean its better.

Btw, my bored TB has been working flawlessly for several years, and it only cost $100.

Adam_b16a

You do know spoon does a TON of r&d work for Honda right?? Spoon takes just as much time and effort to produce a product that is cost efficient and quality assured just like the manufacturer, if not better. The same can be said about a lot different aftermarket manufacturers just like omnipower. You can buy a brand new omnipower 70mm for $100.

VTIargentina

If I get an aftermarket with more than 62mm it will be pointless with my setup...


I have at home a 60.4mm H22 TB.. could I max bore to 62 and will fit with my car? or it is better to bore mine b16a2 to 62mm then or even more than 62mm?

I will use a p2r gasket when I assembly again!

and in hp gain, no one answered me. how many extra ponies should I spect??? 2 o 3??? or less?

Adam_b16a

No one is going to give you a correct answer. The only way to see if you gained anything is from a dyno. No one can just sit here and tell you that your going to gain 'x' amount of power by adding this. Hell, you can get an extra 5hp just from changing your spark plugs.

00Red_SiR

Check around here alone and look at all the threads where people had problems with their aftermarket throttlebody's. It's well known that the aftermarket TB's have experienced a wide range of problems vs OEM. I too have a Max Bored TB and have had zero issues with it for the last 4 years. Try finding a thread on here where someone had a problem with a MB TB. 88Hatchy is right, the throttle plate is the only thing that is changed and it is done by hand very consistently which is why you don't hear of problems with them like the aftermarket ones.

Spoon and Omnipower cannot be considered in this thread because they cost alot more than nothing which is all the OP would pay to swap his out.

Adam_b16a

How can you abosolutely elminated spoon and omnipower because of cost? You stated that only oem was the way to go and you are surely wrong. Like i said before, you can get a BRAND NEW omnipower throttle body for $100 bucks. You cannot deny their reliability or quality of their throttle bodies so whats your comback? That JUST because they are aftermarket automatically makes them unreliable and therfore should be thrown to the wind because your all about oem? All of your posts are opinons and not factual statements. There are always people that will always argue aftermarket reliability vs. oem reliability. You can argue back and forth all you want but all im saying is that you have to keep your mind open and stop being so ignorant and close minded. Im just trying to show my side and that aftermarket reliability in certain companies are, and will continue to be, just as good as OE, or even better.

88Hatchy

Edit: The price I found on the omnipower website was high. But you still have to either buy another and install or transfer your original TPS. Most people will also have to pay for shipping. IT'S STILL NOT OEM. This last statement wouldn't mean much, until you think about the fact that factory Honda engines are among the most precisely and accurately build engines in the world. All of the components on a Honda engine are just as precise. Why would you compromise this by using a non-OEM component when you don't have to.

Just another one for your sig.:

Adam_B16a is still wrong

Adam_b16a

Haters.

http://www.phearable.net/shoppingcar...ody-p-144.html

**EDIT**
Ill keep my signature.

00Red_SiR

How can I eliminate them because of cost? simple...


Obviously reading comprehension is not one of your strong points. He has the opportunity to swap out his TB for a larger stock one at no cost and is asking if he should do it. I gave him more than one LEGITIMATE reason for doing so based on FACTS that are readily available to everyone here if they care to look, not opinion as you suggest. I was not attempting to say or debate anything else, unlike yourself.

Adam_b16a

lol yes you did, you argued my statement on your first post on aftermarket reliability. Its obvious you havnt had very much experiance on the matter so how can you make such a bland statement based on, what you have said, everything that you read on the internet??

Its whatever to me, you can have your opinons and i can have mine. HT wasnt meant as a means for dick measuring so lets not start that game.

EG6 Master

OP,

before i left the states i used a Professional Products throttle body that had a 68mm inlet bore with a 65mm throttle plate on my B16A with no issues at all. i only noticed a difference at the very top end of the powerband. i like the Venturi properties of the design. it has a 1mm larger throttle plate diameter than the Spoon Sports 70mm Venturi throttle body. costs about $150. if you plan on getting stage II cams in the future then you should replace the intake manifold at the same time.

pi Ka chuuu

i was thinking of getting a 68 mm for my b16

00Red_SiR

Again...reading comprehension is your weakness. I was answering the OP's question as to whether he should switch OEM TB's and the reasons were the same for you and for him as well as COST which is something you were completely ignoring. I find it funny that you think this is some sort of dick measuring contest when it's really about reading comprehension and answering the original posters question within its original context. You state that I shouldn't listen to everyone on the internet? Are you saying that all the problems people experienced and threads that were made were false? Are you questioning my own experience within the industry that you know nothing about? Are you trying to suggest that all aftermarket TB's are as good or better than the OEM unit? What facts do you have to support your claims?

You might think I'm speaking from opinion which I find funny since you know nothing about me or my experience, nor have you looked into the number of threads where people experienced problems with aftermarket TB's. You might feel it's ok to have an opinion but I warn you there is a fine line between having an opinion and talking out your *** when someone says something you don't like.

VTIargentina

thanks man!!!

youīve been helping me in all my setup build for the past 3 months and thanks to that I achieved very good results!!!

My base was 136 whp and now I am at 163whp!!!

Iīve done everything on my motherīs house (I live in appartment I donīt have were to work on my car)

here in my country tools are really expensive, to get an Idea a craftsman timing light is about usd 230 and a regular person salary is about 7 hundred dolars monthly. unemployment is about 15/20% so get an idea how hard is to build a car around here.

lukily I am in a good economic position overall I win about 2.5 thousand dolars monthly that is good money for my country were one dolar is 3.8 peso argentino.

a ek4 civic is about 12/13 thousand dolars. so that is why I ask your help to build using your knowledge basis. I canīt have the chance to make a mistake when buying things... because of the exposed money issues.

that is why I must work on my car without any mistakes. a 100 bucks TB costs for me about 200 bucks once it gets here. while thanks to a friend I have a 62mm bored TB for free!

VTIargentina

if you google "villas buenos aires" you will be able to see how is the reality of my country. about 10% of people in my country lives like that.

I live in san isidro, buenos aires. if you google it you will see that even though it is the richest parts of Buenos aires it is almost like a bubble. we are surrounded by poverty. so you can get an idea of my country.

my dream is to live in the USA it would be my dream come true!!! everything to buy at a reasonable price. you are really happy to be born there

VTIargentina

Adam_b16a

Someones e-dick is getting hard.
Theres your arguing statement. Cost had nothing to do with it, if you read on you will see 88hatchy brought up cost being a issue and there i followed up on an factual price range. And then of course, you got offeneded by my post and continued on by posting one sided information and also threw in a couple on insults while you were at it. And if your going to bring up cost again in your following post, i only mentioned buying a aftermatket throttle body based entirely on the fact that OP could have gotten a bigger TB for more gains. So instead of being cheap for minimal gains, why not spend the money for something your actually going to notice?

kulo

send ur tb to www.maxbore.com