TypeRMonster

For TEC TV!!! (See Tech/Misc for details)

I plan on doing an All motor LS-VTEC build. My current LS-VTEC is Boosted, fully built and done, rated at over 550hp on it's last Dyno Pull and i'm NOT tearing it down.

The agreement for the video season was that we all buy new slates, and mine is currently a 95 Eg 4-Door, getting an LS Motor dropped in it as we speak (I'm posting this via phone).

Here are some ideas I had to reach my goal, just wanted to know if they'd give me what i'm looking for, as I've been doing ALOT of searching and information as to what other people have tried, and I only found 5 people, in person who say they are making 300 @ the wheel in their LS/VTEC All motor set up..quite honestly, I didn't think it was possible..but i'm all for trying new things so i'm going for it.


1- Bore and Stroke up - I wanna bore it out to 2.1. I've NEVER done a bore job personally or paid to have it done, so if this is to large a size can someone correct me? And what would be the optimum stroke at that displacement as well?

2 - Crank - I actually stumbled upon an ITR Crank Shaft and I'd be damned if the thing is gonna sit here, can it be used? Even though i'm gonna be buying Oversized Pistons? Would there be a difference from this crank -vs- the stock LS Crank? If it can't be used, can anyone suggest possible upgrades to the stock crank or an aftermarket one to use?

3 - Pistons - I want a VERY HIGH Compression motor, Seeing as how i'm not to much worried about money at this point I wanted to go for SPOONS high compression JDM Type R Pistons, since I have the ITR Crank it should go and for a bit more they have custom sizes to accomidate the 2.1L Displacement.

4 - Cams - Spoon Racing Camshafts

5 - HEAD - I have an ITR head, I wanted to know would I benefit from a Mugen Valve and Spring Set or another brands Titanium Valves, Springs and Retainers? For the most part I want the head fully built, and i'm going to see if I can commit 100Hrs to a port and polish (10 hours, for 10 days basically) and really get some juice out the thing? Should I consider 3-5 angle valve jobs, ect? Or is that unneeded? I also considered the Buddy Club Racing Dual Valve Springs as well as their titanium retainers. My buddy has these in stock and I could get them alot quicker and will if they will do the job.


Other parts include (That I already have)

Mugen N1 ECU
Mugen High performance Air Intake syste,
Mugen Power Exaust Manifold
Custom 3" piping all the way to the rear with a resonator
Spoon Light Weight Flywheel and Stage 3 Clutch
ITR Oil Pump
Spoon Cam Gears
900cc Injectors with AEM Racing Fuel Rail, 225 Fuel Pump
MSD Racing Spark Plug wires w/ iridium Plugs
MSD Ignition Racing Distributor.
ITR Water Pump
ITR Timing belt

Ok..all things considered up to now, plus a NICE TUNE session for it to be ran off race gas, is my 300hp goal plausible? I have about 90% of my parts ON HAND, what needs to be done now is the actual engine work (Bore job, crankshaft replacement, ect).

killerpenguin21

for a short term motor, i would say that an 85x95 or 86x95 motor would be your best bet.

i also would believe that there are better and cheaper choices than spoon pistons and cams. but i may be wrong.

TypeRMonster

What piston choices would u suggest? I went with the spoons because through my connect I get them at EARTH LOW prices, I mean seriously I wouldn't pay more then 345 bucks for pistons and rods, EVEN IF what you suggest is more expensive, if they are BETTER, I'd want them for this build so feel free man, tell me what you'd go for.

00Red_SiR

You'll need something alot larger than spoon cams....S2 pro 3's minimum and a build similar to what killerpenguin mentioned to get anywhere near that power range.

TypeRMonster

My boy said the same, and he has those running in his car. Admittingly so I ignored him but you're about the 4th person to say those cams would work best so I'll take the vouch and order them, I also hear they work VERY well on high compression builds..I wanna get somewhere close to 13:1 if possible.

lohatch

if you havent read this thread yet.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/project-300whp-na-b-series-begins-brought-you-tbone-rlz-engineering-1339161/

you have A LOT of work ahead of you. all the mugen and spoon parts in the world arent going to get you there.

koczeka

goal, questions, part list >>> joke (sorry)

TypeRMonster

Yea I know, don't get me wrong, I fully recognize that this is an insurmountable task but i'm prepared to take it on..I took alot of notes from the thread you just showed me and i'm gonna take alot from what hes doing and apply it..Still, I'd like input.

turbociv910

you might need something better than just a reprogrammed ecu.

TypeRMonster

Out of the entire parts list and what I planned, all you took from that was an ECU? Seriously?

turbociv910

thats the most important part in my book.


you do realise its nothing with a crappy tune

TypeRMonster

Also stated in my post was "GOOD TUNE ON RACE GAS"..

This isn't my first build man, For the most part I know what i'm doing, it's just that I never built anything this extensive..ALL MOTOR. I've got 3 civics and a teggy, all boosted with the LEAST powerful of the punch at 360Hp..I LIVE BY TUNING and I praise it's effectiveness in builds. Trust me man, we share the same feeling, tuning is the most important part.

evo_pl

ls/vtec ftw

3rdgradeteacher

OMFG!! why do you guys reply to this ****??
look at his other posts/threads
he's a bench racer with his other highschool buddies

TypeRMonster

Come to Newark Nj, South Orange Avenue and Grove Street..bring your fastest whip. I'll Spot you three cars and after the flag is dropped you tell me if I just bench race after I **** on you by 4 lengths.

I know the thread u referring to, and a RACE CAME OUT OF IT..so pull ur skirt down and go sit in the corner, get out of my zone i'm trying to get info here.

91' LS-VTEC

ohsnapzafingcu

iTrader: (2)

dude, you have a lot ahead of you. not to be a dick but you are a noob..

read around some more and get more familiar with everyone's builds..

K20egcw

FYI 360hp isnt **** for a turbo car lol

TypeRMonster

Something wrong with that statement? I think purpose building the head and going DUMB hard on the port and polish is a great idea, my GSR head has 50 hours of work on it by my man Kemmy and I couldn't be happier, so hell, what's 100 spread out over the course of a week?

That's bad?

TypeRMonster

Nah nah, I don't see offense at all, I Am new here! Lmao..and NEW to ALL MOTOR builds of this capacity to! The other guy showed me someone who's attempting the same thing, and i've already taken ALOT of notes from that build that are gonna make it into mine so i'm already well on my way. I just didn't wanna take over his thread for input so I made my own. This build is STEEP, but I'm focused, and i'm gonna pull it off, I promise u that..Gonna post as much DIY on TEC TV as I can along the way to.

TypeRMonster

I know, it's also the car I have the least amount of work done to, I'm in agreement..Boost can put u over 300 in a civic VERY EASILY, especially with effective tuning.

mar778c

iTrader: (1)

I've seen a few 300+ whp b-series and they were leaded or menthanol powered. Also, every part in the engine, bolt-on, etc was a custom part. I mean seriously we are talking about 1200$ for a set of aluminum rods. This type of build will be very very expensive, think 12K+.

You are better off with a K24. They seem to reach those numbers with regularity.

88Hatchy

What's your budget for this build?

TypeRMonster

RIGHT NOW? Out of pocket purely i'm working with about $17,000.

After January that number x 3...EVEN STILL, just because my budget is kinda sizeable, I don't wanna start Brand Buying, I wanna tactically and intelligently spend where it's needed to effectively get my goal.

And I wanna do this on a B-Series motor, from what I'm told to build a K all motor is DRASTICALLY expensive even though it would hit the mark fairly easily. Not to mention that I have so much laying around parts wise already, I don't see the sense in buying another motor..I mean C'mon I got an LS Swap for free already and more ITR parts hanging around then I can wave a stick at. Not paying for labor...I think I can pull this off with some diligent research, smart buying and hard work.

SergEK

Amen

If you want 300+whp build an H/F series