JPerkMr954

As always I can count on HT for valuable information....

I'm considering getting rid of my civic and going into a 2006-2008 TL... After doing a little bit of research between the base and the type s, for the small power difference- I really dont see the point in the headache of trying to find a type s.. IMO...

That being said, I'm trying to find out, what are the exterior differences from the TL to the Type S?
From what I know its tail lights-a front lip and a rear lip... but I might be wrong.

Its hard to fully confirm it just from pictures exactly the pieces as I might want to do a conversion... If anyone can help me out that would be great!!

kbouchard1092

The Type s only comes in 2007-2008....Not 2006 as i have a 06.

Differences are suspension, Taillights, Side markers, and rims, and exhaust.

They both wont have a LIP unless you purchase the A-spec kit. which would have different front and back lips as well as sideskirts.

If you get the BAse Model you could always get a intake and J-pipe. That will net you about the same power as the Type s

JPerkMr954

Thanks... this is new information to me... So..

If I get a Base 06-08.. if I want to clone the type S.. I need taillights and sidemarkers rims and the quad exhaust? Is there anything else?

I thought the rear bumper was different also. Today my research indicated this A-Spec which only confused me more trying to understand it all.

imsickofrice

if you want a clone type s... you need the type-s rear bumper. it has more of a opening for the dual tips. i've seen people modify the 06 bumpers to fit the dual exhausts.

IMO. the 04-05 base has the best aspec. (not because I have an '05)- most agressive looking.
so heres a breakdown.
base bumper 04-05
base bumper 06-08
type s 07-08

base 04-05 bumper with aspec
base 06-08 bumper with aspec
type s bumper with aspec

many different routes to go.

someone correct me if im wrong please.

10psiLsEf2

just get the type s man!


such a hassle the route your going with

JPerkMr954

What "sidemarkers" are the ones that come on the type s that are not on the base? Im having a hard time to see it or maybe I dont know where Im looking.

And as for buying a S - used ones in my price range is almost impossible to come across at a dealership- so I have to do what I can. If all I need are a few parts ( bumper- sidemarkers and tail lights) that is cheaper than 4-6k more expensive car total... Doesnt justify.. Though I do appreciate the help...

JPerkMr954

Also, these black chrome accent pieces... where exactly are they, once again I cant seem to spot them in the photos.... I hear about hood trim.

joelmatt89

If all your after is the look of the type s don't get the type s. What makes the type s better is the engine, exhaust, sway bars, suspension, tighter steering etc. If you want the look you can just get sidemarkers, tails, a spec kit, suspsension and wheels and it will look better than a type s. If you really want the look I think its more fun to do the customizing yourself. You tell me what you think but i think my base modified (below) looks a whole lot better than a stock type s. Here is what just the looks of mine would run you:
Wheels/tires- 1300
Suspension- $700
A spec lip kit- $700
Blacked and cleared headlights- $10
Misc Vinyl- $10
Tail lights-$100
Tint- $200
Spoiler $150
Sidemarkers- $50
Fogs- $50

Total- $3000 give or take

joelmatt89

see my picture, my sidemarkers are black/gray the stock are yellow and red

joelmatt89

not really the same power man, your talking the difference between a 3.5 and a 3.2 among lots of other things, exhaust and intake doesnt make up for that. Performance wise the stock 3.5 in the type s will always be superior to a base unless your go sc.

JPerkMr954

Very clean!!! I like your set up, you have done more than I would do to it though... Those are the type s tail lights? and also, the side markers from the base to type s are in the same location... just different colors? I was told the 04 front end and the 07 08 front end is wider or something.. Im looking to find a 07 model....

joelmatt89

those are type s tails that i opened up and blacked out, there is a guy (acktl05) on acurazine that offers that service for a pretty hefty fee; around 300 for customizing tails, idk how much for headlights. It is very easy to open a headlight and then re seal it; the tails on the other hand is a huge pita I did it and would leave it to the pros from now on. I am planning on switching back to stock type s tails pretty soon here tho i can never really make up my mind what i like. If you want those tails Ill give you a really good deal on them.

I don't know what someone was talking about with the side markers they are def all the same. Maybe they were thinking of fog lights, the 07-08 got fog lights in the bumper (04-06 are in the headlight housing) that won't fit into a tl (mine are modified accord fogs). The 07-08 bumper is different I think it is slightly taller or something, I know it takes work to get the a spec lip from the 04-06 to fit.

If you want to keep your cost down I would just run factory wheels with spacers, i run 15 mm spacers with my winter wheels. That along with suspension def makes the stance more aggressive. On the line of cost savings, the spoiler is def something i would cut out as well; they look good with or without it imo. Also I put 100 for tails on that list but that would be for ebay tails, depo are 150 and oem is 200 @curry acura if you mention acurazine. Ebay tails are junk depo are fine if your not too picky oem are much better than the rest.

kbouchard1092

Im well aware of the differences.
-.3l of displacement, Bigger intake valves, slightly more aggressive camshaft and a Better flowing Exhaust. Suspension (non-aspec)

A type S youre only getting 250~whp in a OEM Stock car.

The Base model is about 220~whp.... A jpipe , Pre cat deletes and a intake will give you about 250whp. Which is the same...Again this is against a OEM Type S Those mods to the Type S wil net around 280`whp

http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...icle_id=686783

Here is a BAse TL WITHOUT a intake with only Pre cat deltes and Jpipe...Making 241whp...



A supercharger will put it well beyond that of the type S and that is not needed to beat one.

This statment " type s will always be superior to a base unless your go sc" Is false from a performance standpoint. In a OEM form yes absolutely.

sauceja

For 3000.00 in parts why not just spend the 3k up front and get a type S.

JPerkMr954

Because I personally wouldn't spend 3000 in parts.. Unless I did wheels later on down the line.. But I'm perfectly fine with stock type s wheels... I have a number in mind that I have to stay around and the type S isnt seeming to be in range. So if for a 06-08 all I need is side markers-quad exhaust-tail lights-rear bumper... those parts are not too much Id figure...
I'm more concerned with finding exterior/interior color hopefully with navigation and low mileage rather than manual and suspension...

sauceja

Stock type s wheels are going for a pretty penny. If you just want a half *** clone. But still spending the money up front and getting a real type s is worth it.

218luder

heres a realistic view on parts ** All oem of course** (pricing is brand new oem)
Type S headlights $400 each
Type S rear bumper $280 comes unpainted
Type S rear sidemarkers $108
Type S tails $210
Aspec Lip kit roughly $700-$800 depends on when and where you buy from also comes painted. All the same price for Base or Type S
Type S wheels about $250 each also depends on when and where you buy from (tires roughly $700-$800)
Quad exhaust depends on where you get it, aftermarket you will spend $1200-$1600 Oem you can find used.

Now you can always find used parts to buy, i was only giving you a realistic view which would put you over $3000 if all parts were to be bought new. You can get knock offs and such at much cheaper prices but also cheaper quality. Some dont mind it or have any issues with knock offs/replicas.

Type S and manual you will get stock brembo brakes.

There are plenty of other differences between the 2 models but those are the most popular ones that people change.

Sunny201

A fully bolted base TL is like a stock TL-S performance wise...

dmanfree

The aesthetic differences to the exterior are pretty subtle. I've been wanting and looking for that model TL for a while now (and yeah they didn't bring the TL-S back until 07 for that gen), and when I see pictures of the base and the S, I know there's a little bit of a difference, but nothing in particular really stands out to me. The biggest difference is seeing one in person. I mean, I can easily pick out a TL-S out of a line up of TLs. They just look so good haha! Of course, I'm still a big fan of the base model too.

HONDABOOSTJUNKY

I agree. Spending the money up front was worth it. I just didn't find the Blue one that I wanted. :/

sauceja

The headlights in a type s also have a diffuser unlike base.
Type s also has a different steering wheel, head rests, carbon fiber in the console and dash.
Different top hats, side markers, exhaust, pre-cats have a lower cell count than base, front bumper lower grille is at a different angle then base so you would need bumper and lip from a type s, 07-08 mirrors have blinkers in them.

How clone do you want to go. If you are getting a base I wouldn't even spend all that money.

And a fully bolted on base might be faster than an auto type s but not a 6 speed type s.

Plus a type s has all red lighting in the interior plus addition of floor lights that you can't get in any base.

Anyone that knows the differences will be able to tell the difference and call you out on a clone.

94eg!

iTrader: (2)

Find yourself an 04-06 6-speed manual. Stock it will beat a 07-08 Type-S Auto (lighter w/ better gears). Plus it comes with the cool (expensive) Brembo brake option like the Type-S. After that, throw the A-spec kit on it for like $720 shipped (OEMAcuraParts.com when I bought mine) and call it a day. That's what I did. BTW, 04-06 Base + A-spec looks better than the Type-S hands down. And the Type-S w/ A-spec just looks silly.

Not mine, but mine is identical:



Type-S right, & Type-S w/ A-spec left:

94eg!

iTrader: (2)

For comparison sake, here the 07-08 base+aspec vs the 07-08 Type-S. Base+Aspec still looks better than the Type-S, but you cannot Honda never made one with a manual transmission. :\