al9955

an UKDM EP2 recieving a B18C6 swap, this not mine BTW and i think it doesnt make sence, but thought you'd all like/dislike to see it!



supposedly i will be completed in the next few weeks, like to know peoples thoughts on it

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texasnick

all I see is a red x.

Do you have a link, perhaps?

dividedas1

is that one of those stupid ford focus hatch looking civic si's? lol i don't really know much about them, but if it is one i am willing to bet they did it because that k20 in that car blows. they will probably get better tuning capabilities out of the b18.

al9955

thats weird i can see it fine!!, ive added it as a link, see if that work for ya!

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texasnick

probably just my work filter.

Is this swap legal in the UK?

Also, you guys call them ep2's? In North America, I'm pretty sure all the civic Si's (yes the ones that look like mini-vans) are called ep3's.

Seems like a lot of customizing and work to just put a b series in a car that's already set up for a k series motor...shrug.

al9955

^as far as im aware is should be perfectly legal, just providing it passes the emissions test for the yearly MOT (vehcile inspection)

as for chasis codes, the UKDM EP2 is basically a 1.6 d-series equipped CTR look a like, where as the EP3 chassis here is our UKDM CTR , we also had EP1's which are 1.4's, and 5 door hatch versions as well, but they look lame!, EM2's werent all the popular over here, people are just starting to mod them!

agreed that its seems pointless, a k-swap would of actually been a cheaper ans far better alternative, though the guy reckons its cheaper to insure it this way than having the K in there!, beats me!

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kenbo21

I dont get it...Y would you take out the k20 for a b18..they dont make motor mounts so they must be making custom ones...Just seems like a lot of work for what..just to be different? but its cool to see...thats for sure

texasnick

Cool ****! I had no idea lol.

Just from watching Top Gear and Fifth Gear, insurance seems to be a big deal in the UK.

So I'm assuming the EP2 is an OBDI car?

al9955

he didnt buddy, as with my above post, UKDM EP2's run a D-series engine, not a K-series

insurance over here is an absolute rip off, i dont know what its like for you guys accross the pond, but its seriously expensive whichever way you look at it!!

the car should be OBD2 as with all EP's IIRC

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TN90accord

Well, it's not that bad since the car didn't have a K in it to begin with...that would have made it pretty retarded. I think it's ok, might have better city fuel economy. But it won't be as fast as a K...6 speed and 5-10lbft of torque makes a difference. Not to mention stock K's usually make a little more peak hp over stock B18C5's (from what I've seen).

Never really seen a dyno from a B18C6 though...

texasnick

wow you seem to know a lot about UKDM Honda's. Honestly, I've never heard this stuff before. Good info

I pay $110 (Canadian) total a month for my 04 civic and 88 CRX. Both stock motors though. I'm not sure what happens to insurance here when you swap a motor.

That's a pretty cool project then. Are there any links to the build?

Mugen Dom

I guess the insurance issue has to do with one being 1.8L and the k20 being a 2.0. Motorcycle insurance is like that 1000cc = more money. It wouldnt be "legal" here in the states being the motors older than the car its going into being that looks to be an 04-05 model anyways

RSX King

Wow, thats crazy. i would love to see more pics of the engine bay.

al9955

well let say that if i wanted insure an UKDM EP3 CTR, im 25 (good age for insurance) it would proberly cost me about £700-£800 quid a year (so equivilent to approx $1000 us dollars on current exhange rate) but there as so many veriables as to cost, but i suppose that like all insurance companies!!

there are no links to the build unfortunately, it was one picture that was posted by someone that had walked into the shop that was doing the swap, then the owner piped up and said he had more photo's of it than he did! ha ha, though as i say, apparently accordin to the owner it will be completed in the next few weeks, so, i will forward the pics on once they appear!

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turboteg2nv

It's about the same cost here, I'm 23 with perfect driving history and mine is $1200/year

texasnick

sweet be sure to keep us updated if anything develops.

Thanks for the info, too!

Adankid

wow.
i've always wanted to see something like this done...
i hope to see some footage of this on the street and a dyno soon.

al9955

IIRC there is no difference between a b18c5 and c6, other than engine number! ha ha, agreed it certainly wont give the performance of the K, IMO its false economy, but is a bit to late for him to change his mind now!

no problem buddy, i will keep you all updated!

al9955

josh's ep3

This is pretty interesting, I just learned a crap load of stuff in like the minute it took me to read this thread haha. Bump for updates when you get a chance OP.

al9955

you are spot on, as you say, the difference in CC will make quite a big difference, but mainly, if he swapped it to a k20a fromt he CTR, they would insure it as an engined swapped CTR (not a swapped EP2) so would actually cost more than just going out and buying a CTR in the first place, to add as well, CTR's are frequently stolen over here now (look at the UK CTR forum, they have a whole section dedicated to stolen EP3's ) so again, absolutely knackers it on insurance as well!

and your right about the year, its an 05 (donated by the "55" on the plate, which means it was reg somehwere between 1st sept 05 - 29th feb 06)

will certainly keep people updateddue to interest!

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hawaiiancb74

when cars came out with the k people were swaping them out for b's because no one knew anything about them and nothing was out for them.

RhdRicheeee

k 0 0 l

josh's ep3

I bet whoever has done that is kicking themselves in the *** haha.

trueJDM

wow thats crazy

DaveSi677

it is... just weird to see a B where a K should be! lol...