rollercosta123

i bought my car used from a deallership for a good price of 20,000. its a type s and had only 20,000 miles on it. it had a dc race header and an injen cold air intake. i later found out it had kpro and a hondata gasket. i went under the car and noticed that theres a big blue bolt a little bit over my oil drain plug and have no clue why its there and what its for. i know that its not stock. im thinking this had something to do with an oil pressure line or something. could this be from a turbo? but i do have a header but a super charger? or nitrous? please help if any suggestions or knowlegde is available, i just want to completely know what exactly my car had in the past and please no opinions such as i should of known what i was buying cause the car was not stock and so on. and also i think its the secondary oxygen sensor's wires are cut, maybe this has something to do with kpro. ill post pics and i am not able to see what i have through kpro cause i stupidly changed the calibration before looking at it on my computer.

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rollercosta123

mikestypes

Sorry to say, but you just got hosed. That car was once turbocharged and likely beat on. That blue bolt was for the oil drain from the turbo.

rollercosta123

what do you mean i just got hosed? im reading online that a k20 can be safely turbo charged with kpro which is what i have and the car runs amazing

rollercosta123

remember also it did come with a dc race header as you cane see the bottom part of it in one of the pics. i guess doing a compression check would be good. whats the stock compression supposed to be on a k20z1

risktypeS

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rollercosta123 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what do you mean i just got hosed? im reading online that a k20 can be safely turbo charged with kpro which is what i have and the car runs amazing</TD></TR></TABLE>

He's referring to it being turbocharged before you had it. People who boost cars don't do it for good gas mileage. So there is prolly some good wear and tear on the motors. Ya k's can take some pounding.. but buying someone else's hand me down.. you don't know what to expect.

dc4pos

Looks like that fitting is half assed jb-welded in there too. Kinda ghetto. If it runs fine I wouldn't worry about it.

rollercosta123

do you know if i checked the compression what it should be stock? im just thinking that i have the stock exhaust and the car came with a dc race header. why would someone spend money to put the car back to na when they can just put the stock manifold but anyways so im guessing that only a turbo has those type of oil lines and not nitrous or super charger?

risktypeS

this is what the helms manual says:

Compression Pressure:
Above 930 kpa {9.5 kgt/cm., 135 psi}
10. Measure the compression on the remaining
cylinders.
Maximum variation:
Within 200 kPa {2.0 kgt/cm,,28 psi}

*edit* meant to mention that this was for 02-04 rsx-s but i don't think the compression really changes much to the 05-06

He prolly bought dc race headers before he/she turbo charged the vehicle. He/she wanted to keep the turbo kit so they took it off and replaced it with N/A stuff is what it could be.


Modified by risktypeS at 5:08 AM 8/24/2007

hawaiiancb74

car was turbod... and people with turbos dont do it to be slow... they want to go fast and in turn wear on the motor.. you might have made a 20 grand mistake

inkong

i guess pretty much everyone is just trying to point out that the car was over priced and its not your fault because the dealership should have told you the history of the car or maybe they were to stupid, which most of them are, and figured that because the mileage was low, which can be changed if you didnt know is kinda easy to lower the mileage to whatever you want especially with older cars, they could sell it for what ever they feel like ... i think you should go raise hell over at the dealership in my opinion ...

risktypeS

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by inkong &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i guess pretty much everyone is just trying to point out that the car was over priced and its not your fault because the dealership should have told you the history of the car or maybe they were to stupid, which most of them are, and figured that because the mileage was low, which can be changed if you didnt know is kinda easy to lower the mileage to whatever you want especially with older cars, they could sell it for what ever they feel like ... i think you should go raise hell over at the dealership in my opinion ... </TD></TR></TABLE>

he could raise hell but if he already signed the paper, he's kinda SOL. It doesn't hurt to try and i would point out that the vehicle was recently turbocharged or was modified to change the whole dynamics and life effeciency of the stock motor (more technical way to put it). They may or may not do anything.. my guess after you already signed all paper for it, is your kinda SOL. You may get something out of it or some help as your vehicle may fall under the Lemon Law Act, which it is illegal for dealerships to sell lemon cars. I'd seek lawyer if it gets more technical if issue gets deep.

Now i see why he/she put the N/A stuff back on, because he wanted to take it to the dealership and make sure he wasn't getting dicked. You put a turbo on a car you lower the price of trade in value and life efficiency your vehicle is rated. So what he/she did was change it back to "stock" and took it back like that so he wouldn't lose trade in value or at least a signaficant value of trade in.

I'd seriously seek guidance from a lawyer if you really want to get into it. It would be a consumer lawyer you'd want to talk to if dealership does nothing or bring it up to the dealership and if they do nothing tell them you are going to speak to a lawyer about it.

lucky4586

I think you are scareing the guy... lol .... turbo or not its a honda and can take alot. worst some to worst he has to engine build the engine in 100k because it was turbo'd. We all know that even if you push a honda (higher boost) they will still run for a long as time... case in piont buddy's 92 civic with 150k plus on it and turbo'd running 13 psi on a dd setup. He has had the car for like 3 years and a turbo for 2, something like 30k on it since he has had it and he does burn out and runs it hard as hell.

risktypeS

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lucky4586 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think you are scareing the guy... lol .... turbo or not its a honda and can take alot. worst some to worst he has to engine build the engine in 100k because it was turbo'd. We all know that even if you push a honda (higher boost) they will still run for a long as time... case in piont buddy's 92 civic with 150k plus on it and turbo'd running 13 psi on a dd setup. He has had the car for like 3 years and a turbo for 2, something like 30k on it since he has had it and he does burn out and runs it hard as hell.</TD></TR></TABLE>

regardless.. the motor was pushed and me personally i wouldn't want someones hand me down beat up rsx. If i bought something i want it to be in top notch especially if it's a car and it was mine. Yeah he can fully build it but what if he can't afford it? What if something internally hasn't broke yet and when it does brake the block cracks and he then can't rebuild it? There are so many factors you have to look at. I'm not saying don't boost a honda because they love boost but regardless he doesn't know what condition it was in. You're trying to look at the "light side" of it.. i just like to deal with cold hard facts and not candy cover sh|t. Now he has to guess if it's going to last because he doesn't know what condition it is in, how hard the guy got on it or how damaged the internals are. It could be 100% just fine, it could be barely just struggling to stay alive. there could be a million things that could go wrong with it because it was perviously boosted.

It's better to be safe then sorry.

inkong

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lucky4586 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think you are scareing the guy... lol .... turbo or not its a honda and can take alot. worst some to worst he has to engine build the engine in 100k because it was turbo'd. We all know that even if you push a honda (higher boost) they will still run for a long as time... case in piont buddy's 92 civic with 150k plus on it and turbo'd running 13 psi on a dd setup. He has had the car for like 3 years and a turbo for 2, something like 30k on it since he has had it and he does burn out and runs it hard as hell.</TD></TR></TABLE>

he's got a point and its a k series motor which is even better ... but i would raise hell though ...

risktypeS

You guys are looking at the "light side" of it. I always look at the worst case scenario because that always saves your ***. Yes it's a K series and yes hondas withstand some tuff ****.. BUT i'm pretty sure you can say what you say now because YOU didn't purchase a vehicle that was previously boosted.

Personally i like to know what the car has been thru that way i know what is up with it. when you buy someone elses sloppy seconds you're taking a gamble cuz you don't know what's wrong with it, you don't know what it's been thru, you don't even know why he took the turbo kit off. He could of broke something on it, knew the warranty was void when he boosted it, took off turbo kit and brought it back for a trade in or something. You just don't know about **** now a days.

Virgins are better then sloppy seconds

phthalo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc4pos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like that fitting is half assed jb-welded in there too. Kinda ghetto. If it runs fine I wouldn't worry about it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

that doesn't look like a weld. looks more like the guy put the plug in and splooged gasket sealer all over it

CobblepotDC5

The whole point here is that yes, honda motors, especially K's can take a lot of punishment if turbo'd CORRECTLY. The x factor here is not knowing what kind of a job was done on it.

rollercosta123

it dissapointed me at first then i did my research and now i can use that as an excuse to do the k24/k20. im gonna get a k24a4 block and put forged tsx internals.

rollercosta123

i been reading alot about the k24 k20 setup and found it very interesting but have noticed that they only mension the k20a2 head and never the k20z1 head. are the the same bolt on wise to be able to fit on the k24 block, i need to know cause in a few weeks im gonna buy one as soon as i do all my reasearch.

risktypeS

that's because k20z1 and k20a2 are the block codes.. the heads are the same.

Todd00

You just paid $20K for a car. And now you're going to rebuild the motor?

I dunno--I'd take it right back to the dealership and raise hell. Was it Acura certified? I assume not since it had a DC race header. Both parties are to blame here--you for not checking it out and the dealership for not disclosing this information on such an expensive car.

If you get nowhere with the place that sold you the car, I'd be tempted to put it all back to stock and if there was a problem, take advantage of the warranty.

rollercosta123

i know but this is something that i wanted to do sooner or later and with all the reasearch that i have come across im very interested in this. what im wondering is am i capable of putting forged tsx pistons , standard size and standard compression, into the k24a4 block with the stock sleeves?

rollercosta123

anyone?

Todd00

Start a new thread for your other questions.

Also, you must not have bought this at a dealership, because I have a hard time believing they would sell a car without a cat. converter. That might give you something to go back at them on.