kPRO dz

This is supposedly from a, soon to be, former Garrett/Honeywell employee.

This was on nasioc and it is interesting. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1936851

"I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a **** company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away.

(They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)"

Jeenyusss

It sucks what these people will do to make more money at the sacrific of the customer

-bert-

It sucks that Garrett built a reputation for themselves and now a company comes along and runs them into the ground.

iv

WOW I had a GT35R on my B series build and loved it thats was about 4 years ago though sucks to here that.

kPRO dz

granted.. all this isn't "official".. its def something to really think about especially with the economy we live in.

kwcrxaz90

Isnt that the truth everyone knocks on ebay turbos when soon all are goin to be on the same level we should just all go out and buy ebaay and get garrett stamped on the side sounds like it ll be the same quality.

square_1

Well I don't doubt that this could be true. A lot of companies are trying to cut back to boost profit and lower costs.

The only thing I question is the validity of this statement.

Is this guy really who he says he is? How do we know he even worked for Garrett? And if he did work for Garrett how do we know he isn't just some pissed off janitor that is furious about not getting a workers comp claim because I threw out his back taking the trash out?

I really hope this isn't true...

But if it is... Just one more reason why I want to supercharge my car instead. :D

cloumep3

Not Right, not right at all to deceive valued consumers, especially lying about the origianl place of manufacturing location...

Gtimportfanatic

i've always been a borg warner fan ne ways

shortstopNE

Godspeed ftw?

turboteg2nv

Ha, I was waiting for the BW bandwagon fan bois to come in here. And here you are

To play the Devil's Advocate here...keep in mind this is a pissed off employee with a chip on his shoulder.

However, with that said, Garrett turbos are still certified under ISO 9001: 2000 production standards. Precision parts require precision manufacturing, which they've obtained by being ISO certified. Sure, they might be slimming down product specifications to save costs, but that's only to stay competitive in a market saturated by knock-off imitation parts.

As with any product, you get what you pay for. Hopefully the price will still be justified with the quality when Honeywell begins taking over production.