SMSP

First there will be (10) 2-1/2" stainless steel test pipes and (2) 93506 OBDII heavy duty cats that 12 people will win Saturday night.

I should be debuting my new light weight 2-1/2" cat back system. This system will incorporate (2) light weight resonators and (1) muffler and it WILL be a bolt on system. 2 versions will be available, (1) for JDM length headers (on display) and (1) for my ITR header (on display vehicle). The company that I'm working with on the design of these new resonators states they are very effective in both flow and sound control. We'll just have to hear them to decide. The system may come with a replacement tube section for the 2nd resonator if some people think it's too quiet.

I'm also working on a new design of the 4-2-1 header for the ITR. Based on upcoming testing this header may be installed on the display vehicle along with some other bolt on parts.

I'm very excited to be a part of this Expo, but I just have a ton of work to do so please be patient with me on my IM and Email responses. See you in 1 month.

SMSP - Who's not sure if the ITR'd Ford F250 Crew Cab Turbo Diesel will be ready for Expo.

io_burn

Mugen Mike

Can't wait to see your products in person, I've heard nothing but good things

mstewar

awesome.. can't wait to see it!

B( * Y * )BIES

If you need any volunteer work for whatever reason (not on the technical side)... drop me a PM or email.
I'm in No.VA.

- Cliff

Chris N

Awesome news!
Can't wait to see the new exhausts.

Chris - who can burn and destroy his shitty Testpipes.com testpipe if he wins a TP at the banquet....

Ross

Don't display vehicles have to look at least mildly good?

You should have picked my piece

RTW DC2R

will SMS have custom exhausts for sale at expo? I will be ready to purchase one by then and I was planning on going with SMS. Im guessing that would be something that would have to be worked out before hand with exactly what I would be looking for...

97 TYPE-R 312

Good Stuff! I'm glad to see you will be having a "bolt on" system available. It now sparks my interest! Need any help?

Thanks,
Victor

PiYoImuT

I like the Heavy Duty Cat... it is on my R along with the T1R exhaust now..

SMSP

JoshRambo

are the test pipes going to be 5." on both ends? or are there going to be a couple that are 2.5" to 2.25" for jdm header to a 2.25" exhaust?
just wonder since if i would happen to get one would have no need for it.

Warren

Plus you will get to see at least 3 SMS equipped cars screaming around the track.

Warren

D

how much to take that shim off your hands?

Type-Rare#1248

nice to hear that you are coming up with new products

but the main reason i am detered to buying a header from you is the wait time

wut you gonna do about that?

SMSP

I'm not sure how to answer that one. It's not an assembly line here. The off the shelf brands make 1 or 2 headers for the B series engine and they aren't changing their designs. I make many more than that for the B16, 18A/B, B18Cs and B20s and you can just about double that if you talk about side exits. I'm presently working on my 4th or 5th version of just the ITR header. R&D slows production but hopefully leads to a better product.

I've heard of people waiting a few months for some of the JDM headers also so while I would like to trim the wait time down I don't think the problem in waiting for products is just a SMS Products thing. I know someone who gave up waiting for a hood after 9 months!

hungsteR

Can we get some teaser pics?

Padawan

Basically, if the wait time deters you from buying one of Dave's headers, then his headers aren't for you.

JDM CTR '00

iTrader: (2)

wait and you will get a crazy header

Type-Rare#1248

thx for the reply...what i really wanted to say is that you should possibly look into getting some help with the labour

also, since the current design of the header is so good already, I was thinking that you should spend a little more time producing it than improving it...just a thought


[Modified by Type-Rare#1248, 9:21 PM 3/12/2003]

Type-Rare#1248

this logic is garbage

wait time = decreased customer satisfaction (sorry Dave) = less want for product
THIS IS THE CASE FOR ALL PRODUCTS AND SERVICE SOLD...how can you say that the headers aren't for me?

Padawan

My logic is certainly not garbage, and you further prove that Dave's headers aren't for you with these comments. Quite simply, Dave strives to build the best possible headers he can, while keeping the price within reason. He ensures the high quality that he is known for by building them himself. The fact that Dave is constantly looking for ways to improve his products is also a good thing, and that is one reason why his products are as good as they are. If one wants the best, he must understand that it takes a certain amount of time. You've shown that you are interested in a quick turnaround time, and this clearly indicates that any custom product (including an SMSP header) isn't for you. If you were truly interested in owning the best, you simply would not be "deterred" by the wait, or in a "rush". I'd rather wait 6 months for a header and know that it's builder has been continually improving its design than buy from someone who has decided that the current design is "good enough". For the record, it is also next to impossible for anyone who as dealt with him to use the words "Dave" and "decreased customer satisfaction" in the same sentence.

EDIT: Edited in the name of civility.


[Modified by Padawan, 1:11 PM 3/13/2003]

urbanlegend21

this is a valid arguement guys so keep your rebuttals civil please

Dave's work is based upon quality, I don't know if he expected it to grow as fast as it did (correct me if I am wrong)

he knows that help is out there if he needs it trust me , right now I believe the work is so detailed and tedious an extra hired hand would be useless

Reid

If you are interested in getting your product ASAP, get an off the shelf product.

As said above, any part that is custom made is not going to be ready to be shipped out as soon as payment is received.

Suprdave

If you dont wanna wait for a header...do what I did...buy one used

Ona Sidenote Dave, I told steve it was ok to display my header at EXPO. Just need it by around May 1st.

Suprdave

BryanSprinkel

Dave, We need am exhaust for the 02 civic SI... I want to hear the 2.0 SCREAM!