turbo type R owners... chime in
10-27-2006, 05:42 AM
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Re: turbo type R owners... chime in (type B16)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by type B16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now that youre turbo, would you ever go back to a fully built NA 1.8-2.0?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm pretty sure I'm going to rip all the turbo crap out of my car this winter and put a B20 block in, and go B20VTEC with some cams and IHE. If I could get 220 WHP (dynojet) out of it I'd be happy. My block is mostly useless for Honda Challenge since it's bored and has forged pistons/rods, can't go back to OEM pistons now (too high bore).
It was a fun ride while it lasted though, I drove faster than I ever have before just over the weekend at Road America (8600 RPM in 5th? I think that's about 155 MPH... speedo was way off the edge). But I've put way too much money into that thing just to have it destroy brakes and wheel bearings at a relatively fast rate, and be generally unreliable even while it's running well. I went through a set of $170 brake pads over the weekend, and burned up 3 oil dipsticks because the exhaust housing on the turbo was trying to work itself loose from the center section. One of the bolt heads broke off and the others were loosening slightly. It "looked tight" when it was cold, but right after I got back off the track it would have some play. I'm lucky I didn't shatter the exhaust turbine.
-Chris
I'm pretty sure I'm going to rip all the turbo crap out of my car this winter and put a B20 block in, and go B20VTEC with some cams and IHE. If I could get 220 WHP (dynojet) out of it I'd be happy. My block is mostly useless for Honda Challenge since it's bored and has forged pistons/rods, can't go back to OEM pistons now (too high bore).
It was a fun ride while it lasted though, I drove faster than I ever have before just over the weekend at Road America (8600 RPM in 5th? I think that's about 155 MPH... speedo was way off the edge). But I've put way too much money into that thing just to have it destroy brakes and wheel bearings at a relatively fast rate, and be generally unreliable even while it's running well. I went through a set of $170 brake pads over the weekend, and burned up 3 oil dipsticks because the exhaust housing on the turbo was trying to work itself loose from the center section. One of the bolt heads broke off and the others were loosening slightly. It "looked tight" when it was cold, but right after I got back off the track it would have some play. I'm lucky I didn't shatter the exhaust turbine.
-Chris
10-27-2006, 05:53 AM
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Re: turbo type R owners... chime in (Chris F)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I'm pretty sure I'm going to rip all the turbo crap out of my car this winter and put a B20 block in, and go B20VTEC with some cams and IHE. If I could get 220 WHP (dynojet) out of it I'd be happy. My block is mostly useless for Honda Challenge since it's bored and has forged pistons/rods, can't go back to OEM pistons now (too high bore).
It was a fun ride while it lasted though, I drove faster than I ever have before just over the weekend at Road America (8600 RPM in 5th? I think that's about 155 MPH... speedo was way off the edge). But I've put way too much money into that thing just to have it destroy brakes and wheel bearings at a relatively fast rate, and be generally unreliable even while it's running well. I went through a set of $170 brake pads over the weekend, and burned up 3 oil dipsticks because the exhaust housing on the turbo was trying to work itself loose from the center section. One of the bolt heads broke off and the others were loosening slightly. It "looked tight" when it was cold, but right after I got back off the track it would have some play. I'm lucky I didn't shatter the exhaust turbine.
-Chris
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thats a good example of what sort of things you can expect with a turbo setup that is beat on at road course events. it can be done, but it can become a huge headache. it really just depends on what you are going to be doing with the car. if you are going to beat on it like Chris does, its probably not the best idea to be turbo as far as reliability and potential problems go. not to say that an all motor setup couldnt have problems as well. but Id say the probability of problems is greater with FI.
Chris, be careful revving that B20 out...those stock sleeves are notorious for cracking.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to rip all the turbo crap out of my car this winter and put a B20 block in, and go B20VTEC with some cams and IHE. If I could get 220 WHP (dynojet) out of it I'd be happy. My block is mostly useless for Honda Challenge since it's bored and has forged pistons/rods, can't go back to OEM pistons now (too high bore).
It was a fun ride while it lasted though, I drove faster than I ever have before just over the weekend at Road America (8600 RPM in 5th? I think that's about 155 MPH... speedo was way off the edge). But I've put way too much money into that thing just to have it destroy brakes and wheel bearings at a relatively fast rate, and be generally unreliable even while it's running well. I went through a set of $170 brake pads over the weekend, and burned up 3 oil dipsticks because the exhaust housing on the turbo was trying to work itself loose from the center section. One of the bolt heads broke off and the others were loosening slightly. It "looked tight" when it was cold, but right after I got back off the track it would have some play. I'm lucky I didn't shatter the exhaust turbine.
-Chris
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thats a good example of what sort of things you can expect with a turbo setup that is beat on at road course events. it can be done, but it can become a huge headache. it really just depends on what you are going to be doing with the car. if you are going to beat on it like Chris does, its probably not the best idea to be turbo as far as reliability and potential problems go. not to say that an all motor setup couldnt have problems as well. but Id say the probability of problems is greater with FI.
Chris, be careful revving that B20 out...those stock sleeves are notorious for cracking.
10-27-2006, 06:10 AM
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Re: turbo type R owners... chime in (type B16)
i wouldnt do it if thats gonna be your only car. I am considiring selling my turbo kit, just keep the R stock and get Sms header/exhaust and good tune
10-27-2006, 07:34 AM
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Re: (type B16)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by type B16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so are you guys saying that if i turbo my R, im guaranteed to have problems even with only a stage 1 FR kit?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Judging by what I've read so far, yes, you will still have problems.
Judging by what I've read so far, yes, you will still have problems.
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10-27-2006, 07:37 AM
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well any car can be fine turbo'd, if tuned/maintained properly and driven right, but most ppl with turbo cars dont driver normal imo. but its only time before something breaks.
10-27-2006, 07:37 AM
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Talk to Jeff at Evans Tuning member name boosted hybrid. He is in tight with Full Race and can tell you the do's and don't with turbocharging. I would recommend not piece mailing a kit together from what you think is the best of the best...go with what works and keep it simple. By keeping it simple you will reduce the chances of any problems and retain your reliability and drivability. If you can afford it, do it. You appreciate what you have, just don't try and be the biggest booster out there.
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10-27-2006, 07:42 AM
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im one my 3rd year with the same built motor in my car(its making 517hp right now). i dont drive it everyday but anytime its nice i do like taking it out. the only real problems i have or had was axles breaking but the was was 471hp on pump gas. maintenance i keep a closer eye on, change the oil every 1000 miles check for bolts coming loose etc.
sometimes i wish the car was stock so i could enjoy it more, but i only think stuff like that wehn im leaning on a fence at an expo or in the winter when the car is turcked away, if you ask me that when im driving the car id tell you no way.
i actually figured out the soulution, tomorrow im buying another type R and im gonna leave this one all motor
sometimes i wish the car was stock so i could enjoy it more, but i only think stuff like that wehn im leaning on a fence at an expo or in the winter when the car is turcked away, if you ask me that when im driving the car id tell you no way.
i actually figured out the soulution, tomorrow im buying another type R and im gonna leave this one all motor
10-27-2006, 07:52 AM
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i actually figured out the soulution, tomorrow im buying another type R and im gonna leave this one all motor </TD></TR></TABLE>
ha!! so much for keeping it on the DL
<<also considering another R
i actually figured out the soulution, tomorrow im buying another type R and im gonna leave this one all motor
</TD></TR></TABLE>ha!! so much for keeping it on the DL
<<also considering another R
10-27-2006, 07:55 AM
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Re: turbo type R owners... chime in (Chris F)
Personally I would follow somebody who has personal experience with a Turbo Type-R, ON THE TRACK. 
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm pretty sure I'm going to rip all the turbo crap out of my car this winter and put a B20 block in, and go B20VTEC with some cams and IHE. If I could get 220 WHP (dynojet) out of it I'd be happy. My block is mostly useless for Honda Challenge since it's bored and has forged pistons/rods, can't go back to OEM pistons now (too high bore).
It was a fun ride while it lasted though, I drove faster than I ever have before just over the weekend at Road America (8600 RPM in 5th? I think that's about 155 MPH... speedo was way off the edge). But I've put way too much money into that thing just to have it destroy brakes and wheel bearings at a relatively fast rate, and be generally unreliable even while it's running well. I went through a set of $170 brake pads over the weekend, and burned up 3 oil dipsticks because the exhaust housing on the turbo was trying to work itself loose from the center section. One of the bolt heads broke off and the others were loosening slightly. It "looked tight" when it was cold, but right after I got back off the track it would have some play. I'm lucky I didn't shatter the exhaust turbine.
-Chris</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm pretty sure I'm going to rip all the turbo crap out of my car this winter and put a B20 block in, and go B20VTEC with some cams and IHE. If I could get 220 WHP (dynojet) out of it I'd be happy. My block is mostly useless for Honda Challenge since it's bored and has forged pistons/rods, can't go back to OEM pistons now (too high bore).
It was a fun ride while it lasted though, I drove faster than I ever have before just over the weekend at Road America (8600 RPM in 5th? I think that's about 155 MPH... speedo was way off the edge). But I've put way too much money into that thing just to have it destroy brakes and wheel bearings at a relatively fast rate, and be generally unreliable even while it's running well. I went through a set of $170 brake pads over the weekend, and burned up 3 oil dipsticks because the exhaust housing on the turbo was trying to work itself loose from the center section. One of the bolt heads broke off and the others were loosening slightly. It "looked tight" when it was cold, but right after I got back off the track it would have some play. I'm lucky I didn't shatter the exhaust turbine.
-Chris</TD></TR></TABLE>
10-27-2006, 08:36 AM
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Re: turbo type R owners... chime in (migs)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by migs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personally I would follow somebody who has personal experience with a Turbo Type-R, ON THE TRACK.
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x2, screw the guys that work on, build and tune turbo cars everyday for a living.
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x2, screw the guys that work on, build and tune turbo cars everyday for a living.
10-27-2006, 08:37 AM
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<<also considering another R </TD></TR></TABLE> Me too.. but I have an incomplete project in my garage as it is.
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</TD></TR></TABLE> Me too.. but I have an incomplete project in my garage as it is.
10-27-2006, 12:19 PM
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I haven't had any problems with my turbo R, but it's a pretty basic setup, and it was done right (daily driver). Just be prepared to spend a lot of money upfront to make sure its done 100%.
10-27-2006, 12:55 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by type B16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how much power can a stock block itr handle?</TD></TR></TABLE>
300 is a commonly accepted limit. I ran 295 WHP on my old Greddy kit on a stock motor. It almost lasted a year, including 3-4 HPDE's.
300 is a commonly accepted limit. I ran 295 WHP on my old Greddy kit on a stock motor. It almost lasted a year, including 3-4 HPDE's.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
300 is a commonly accepted limit. I ran 295 WHP on my old Greddy kit on a stock motor. It almost lasted a year, including 3-4 HPDE's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
"almost"
you make it sound like it blew...
300 is a commonly accepted limit. I ran 295 WHP on my old Greddy kit on a stock motor. It almost lasted a year, including 3-4 HPDE's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
"almost"
you make it sound like it blew...
10-27-2006, 12:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by type B16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"almost"
you make it sound like it blew...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep! Cracked ringlands. Especially inconvenient, since they finally completely disappeared (close to 0 compression) while I was out in Virgina. It was a smelly 850 mile drive home.
Rebuilt with forged pistons, then I cracked the exhaust manifold. Also the bearings on my first turbo were shot just after a year. After that, pretty much none of the bolts stay together in my turbo (EGT's have been between 1600 and 1800 in WOT.). One time my timing belt cover caught fire because of an exhaust leak. Also, I went through about 3 upper AC hoses before I gave up on AC. Those hoses like to melt. My first AC hose lasted about 4 days. Next one with some shielding lasted a few months.
Also, when your dipstick burns up, it'll pop out of the tube really easy. When that happens, you'll periodically "burp" oil onto your hot exhaust manifold. Then you get to play the game that Dr Pooface refers to "'Spot the Oil Leak', or 'Fire! Fire!'"
you make it sound like it blew...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep! Cracked ringlands. Especially inconvenient, since they finally completely disappeared (close to 0 compression) while I was out in Virgina. It was a smelly 850 mile drive home.
Rebuilt with forged pistons, then I cracked the exhaust manifold. Also the bearings on my first turbo were shot just after a year. After that, pretty much none of the bolts stay together in my turbo (EGT's have been between 1600 and 1800 in WOT.). One time my timing belt cover caught fire because of an exhaust leak. Also, I went through about 3 upper AC hoses before I gave up on AC. Those hoses like to melt. My first AC hose lasted about 4 days. Next one with some shielding lasted a few months.
Also, when your dipstick burns up, it'll pop out of the tube really easy. When that happens, you'll periodically "burp" oil onto your hot exhaust manifold. Then you get to play the game that Dr Pooface refers to "'Spot the Oil Leak', or 'Fire! Fire!'"
10-27-2006, 01:22 PM
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Every time you post in a thread like this I just picture you oiling down VIR or bursting into flames and I can't contain my laughter. 
But I gotta admit I'm definitely addicted to boost now.
But I gotta admit I'm definitely addicted to boost now.
10-27-2006, 03:55 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Every time you post in a thread like this I just picture you oiling down VIR or bursting into flames and I can't contain my laughter.
But I gotta admit I'm definitely addicted to boost now.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Oh yeah.. I was wondering why I had some interesting "oversteer" in left turns there... when your right rear tire is COATED in oil, that explains some of it. Oops. I guess I had some blowby...
But I gotta admit I'm definitely addicted to boost now.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Oh yeah.. I was wondering why I had some interesting "oversteer" in left turns there... when your right rear tire is COATED in oil, that explains some of it. Oops. I guess I had some blowby...
10-28-2006, 07:56 PM
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I have a JRSC with 7 psi boost. Not turbo, but forced induction none the less.
I love it. I drive the car every day of the week.
The only real problems I have had are due to incompetent tuners... (3 of them).
Now that it is tuned correctly, I have a very conservative tune and am putting down 217 hp on a dynojet with PLENTY of room for improvement.
I currently have the stock exhaust manifold, gutted cat (done at expo hotel parking lot ), and an exhaust smaller than 2.5"... So more power is begging to be had.
Mechanically, I have not had any issues with it so far, and I truly love it.
I love it. I drive the car every day of the week.
The only real problems I have had are due to incompetent tuners... (3 of them).
Now that it is tuned correctly, I have a very conservative tune and am putting down 217 hp on a dynojet with PLENTY of room for improvement.
I currently have the stock exhaust manifold, gutted cat (done at expo hotel parking lot
), and an exhaust smaller than 2.5"... So more power is begging to be had.Mechanically, I have not had any issues with it so far, and I truly love it.
10-29-2006, 02:38 PM
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my turbo ITR made 400whp, takes evos stis blah blah and im going back to all motor this winter......its fun and all but problems and god for bid you peg the gas on a back road...youll be all over the place. all motor ITR set up here i come!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CJDM GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my turbo ITR made 400whp, takes evos stis blah blah and im going back to all motor this winter......its fun and all but problems and god for bid you peg the gas on a back road...youll be all over the place. all motor ITR set up here i come!</TD></TR></TABLE>
bone stock itr?
bone stock itr?