SlapSmak

spending 6-7 grand on a built motor is pretty stupid I would agree.
as i bought mine in 2002, I paid far less than that back then and when put up against a assembled OEM long block, I still paid less than what I could buy an OEM longblock, or a shortblock, gaskets, complete head, cams, etc. for today.

But that Ebay deal is a great one if it is truly a spoon motor.

I will be pulling it down on the 1st to turn it over, maybe I will take some high res pics. in the sun it burns your eyes it is so shiny...

coolhandluke

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You touched on a thought of mine. I know very well how much it would cost to piece together a long block. Head ~ $1750, Botton end, $2650, but it is the little things that really add up. From the pictures though, that spoon longblock is still missing a good amount of parts as well.

At the end of the day, a JDM swap is really the best beat IMO.

SlapSmak

yes, I agree with that, all those little things you dont think of when doing a swap, all those trips to autozone will kill you.
I bought mine with the intent of using my stock intake tract/injectors/TB, and swapping on the trans/flywheel.
JDM swaps are the best deal since they come with everything including trans, harness and ecu. If you get a nice low mileage one from one of the better legit importers, odds are you will get a motor in decent shape.

Dave_B

How many times are you going to say it's so shiny? Are you secrety REDTMNT? fuggin MINT y0!

Media blast/acid dip will do the exact same on your OEM block.

I do NOT find the Ebay sell a deal at all. I sold a long block, OEM dealership 0 miles setup not long ago for 3k... that WAS a deal. For $6700 I could rebuild the one in my car, with WAY better parts and make more power than a "spoon built" motor.

Hell you could sleeve your stock block and build a 200WHP + 2.0L setup for less than that.

racebum

i gsr swapped civic won't take a k20 swapped teg. also turbo builds are good for drag racing but very hard to make effective road racing due to heat issues. autocross is even harder since you're on/off so much boost doesn't really have a chance to work it's magic.

k swaps also aren't 8k,. you can almost buy an rsx-s for 8k, full blown jdm k20-R swaps are around $5000 and that's with an LSD 6spd

rhd94teg

so a spoon crate motor doesnt come with there own t/body or even spark plug wires?

JRCtypeR

im buying the one on ebay...

JdmTypeRdc2

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Right on the money...

For this money, not only can you build a motor, but with better parts and make much more power than a motor, which essentially, is a Spoon overlooked b18c...Nothing in the motor is spoon, pistons are ITR, rods are ITR, etc.

Check this out, i just got my motor built recently...heres what i paid and you guys tell me if its worth it to buy a "Spoon built" engine...

Laskey Built b18c, 83mm Benson sleeves, CP pistons, Manley Turbo rods, ACL bearings, brand new ITR water pump, ITR oil pump, new bottom end gasket set, oil pan, windage etc, hottanked, and just as "SHINY" as yours...
Headgames built p72 head, ITR valve springs, retainers, New seals, Ferrea 6000 valves, Ferrea guides, 5 angle valve job, new timing belt, srr cam gears, hottanked, and just as "shiny" as the "SPOON BUILT" head that comes on that crate motor...

Spoon motor: almost $7000, not including misc parts to make it complete.
A real fully built motor, bought by watching out for good deals, and taking long drives to pick stuff up: Total of $3000.

Ability to run boost, and be able to safely raise PSI: PRICELESS...

Yea...

so....

Spoon motor= not the most effective way to spend money...

JdmTypeRdc2

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If you read my post i clearly stated a BUILT gsr motor...for the amount you will spend on swapping in a k20 in an integra, after the motor, mounts, ecu, harness, kpro, axles, etc...you are looking at about 8K, and thats not opening the motor up for performance...

I have seen infinite amount of k24/k20 builds and how much they have spent, for that built motor, and let me tell you, its enough to buy a new car, in the 10k plus range.

I realize a k20aR is about 5500-6k depending where you get it, sometimes cheaper if you dont buy it from a business, instead locally. But its the smaller things needed to swap it in and make it run...In the end, it is a stock motor...

I just built my b18c motor, now has 0 miles, with all the best parts, for 3k, maybe a little over with a p28, intake etc...but definitely less than 4k. Thats much more cost effective than to swap a k20a and in the end, have to still crack it open, and spend more money on cams, valvetrain, pistons, etc....

TonyRomo

This is like the third vouch I have seen you give these guys lol. They were actually rude to me when I called them for an ITR exhaust and they never called me back.

I made a thread about this same thing awhile back when I found they had posted this on CL. Here's the link... https://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-integra-6/spoon-engine-2578497/

SlapSmak

Nope, long block only. oil pan to valve cover with everything in between.

but it is shiny...

if you put a nice big piece of glass on top, it would make a nice table for a man cave room...

Tyrant_007

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I was under the impression that the spoon engines they sell at inline four had all the spoom valve train, tb, foobling goodies, and all.... That must be why they haven't e-mailed me back in almost a week! Damn, I'd rather buy a well-used engine and all the goodies separate. Learn something every day!

racebum

oh if you build i totally agree. it's just nearly impossible to compare built motors on the net. engines all come down to dollars anyway. for $2000 a stock b18c jdm itr long block is a great buy, at 4k it's a rip off. i also know what you mean about some of the 250-290whp $10,000 K builds. well, the heat is easier to control than a turbo motor, better suited for track use in autocross and road racing. i do totally know what you mean though. this stuff is all $$$

S2Integra

The one on ebay looks like a B18C0 (JDM ITR) with a spoon chip, but otherwise oem. I will say very clean, no corrosion of any kind.

Echonova

I have learned something from this thread.

Amazing.

SlapSmak

Thats neat. Just one problem. There is no such thing as a B18C0.
A JDM R motor is a B18C, and as all JDM motors have serial numbers except Spoon Built motors, this would possibly make this motor a spoon motor. Have you not read any of this thread?

mooeys racing

ooo you got them, cool.... i think when you buy spoon stuff your just paying for the name

JdmTypeRdc2

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Spoon rebrands many of their items, when they are indeed something that is factory.

ex:

Spoon valve cover is a JDM ITR valve cover powdercoated by Spoon.
Spoon crate motor is a JDM b18C with all JDM ITR components, balanced and blueprinted by Spoon.

and the list goes on...

Most of the Spoon items are not really made by Spoon directly, but moreover, are overlooked and checked by spoon, then rebranded and sold to consumers.