PY 01-0972

hey there is one for sale locally 1991 with 15550 miles on her. dont know if it is
in the snap ring vin# but its mint they want $32,000 for it which is high, kelly blue book is at $25,550 for an excellent example. If u have driven both would this be
a big upgrade from my R? its at a dealer and they wil give me $18,000 for my 01
R with 25,800 miles on her. its red with black interior and all stock. a dr owned it.
just want to know if its gonna be a big improvement from the R? thanks for looking

KDKane

Working for a dealership, I have driven both(even a supercharged NSX ). They are incredibly fast and a definite upgrade from an R. Only downfall is the cost of parts. Go test drive it and see what you think. My 2 cents

PY 01-0972

thanks thats good advice its raining like crazy here today i will go when it subsides.

fastfour

I love it when people talk about cars being good deals when a "Dr." has owned it. A good friend of mine is a cardiologist and we beat the crap out of our cars on the track

Zach

DsITR

Where is Ken when we need him

I feel, it really depends on what you are going to do w/the car. The R is so much cheaper to maintain, and bulletproof it makes an excellent track car. In all seriousness probobly one of the best.

On the other hand it's only real for daily driving duties downfall is the theft issue.

The only thing I feel you get from the NSX is *bling* factor. Sure its a faster car, but do you have the capapbility to take it over the limit, to where it would outperform the R..

The NSX downfall is the cost to maintain. But don't misinterpret what I'm saying it is an excellent car, just a little pricey in my eyes. I feel there are many other cars that surpass the NSX in terms of bang for buck.

totsie7944

If I am correct I think R's are faster then 91 NSX's? At least with mild bolt-ons I think they are....

Either way, Price vs performance I think you are MUCH better off staying with the R.

fso_BamBam

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in the snap ring vin# but its mint they want $32,000 for it which is high, kelly blue book is at $25,550 for an excellent example. If u have driven both would this be
a big upgrade from my R? its at a dealer and they wil give me $18,000 for my 01
R with 25,800 miles on her. its red with black interior and all stock. a dr owned it.
just want to know if its gonna be a big improvement from the R? thanks for looking</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not wanting to hijack the thread, but the dealer is giving you 18K for your R?

What the hell?

Dropspeed

That is because they are asking 7K over bluebook for the car...................

18K minus the 7K overrage they are paying 11K for the car and getting blue book for the NSX

Dealership Mathematics

Mattj

Chris N

I'm not sure how a $25,000 FF can be compared to a $80,000 MR.
In any way.

Willard

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a big upgrade from my R?

just want to know if its gonna be a big improvement from the R?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have driven both on the track and the NSeX is a different beast than the ITR. It is a upgrade in the performance department.

but when it comes time to replace consumables, the ITR shines.

Chris N

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I feel, it really depends on what you are going to do w/the car. The R is so much cheaper to maintain, and bulletproof it makes an excellent track car. In all seriousness probobly one of the best.

On the other hand it's only real for daily driving duties downfall is the theft issue.

The only thing I feel you get from the NSX is *bling* factor. Sure its a faster car, but do you have the capapbility to take it over the limit, to where it would outperform the R..

The NSX downfall is the cost to maintain. But don't misinterpret what I'm saying it is an excellent car, just a little pricey in my eyes. I feel there are many other cars that surpass the NSX in terms of bang for buck.</TD></TR></TABLE>

NSX is a supercar, or borderline supercar at the very least.

I still don't see how they are comparable. For performance per dollar, there are some cars that match it or possibly outclass it, sure.

An 80k car of course will cost way more to maintain. More expensive car = more expensive parts and maintenance. The integra is a sub-compact/compact car with sharable parts (civic/integra). Of course it is cheap to maintain and for parts.

Why do people insist on comparing cars like these? Maybe you can compare a Z06 with a 97+ NSX (im not entirely sure but it seems plausible)... but these two cars are apples vs oranges in every regard.

SleeperR

Like Willard I've driven both on the track. The track is important, but unless your at the track all the time I don't think you'll ever see a difference other than power. The Bling factor was the hardest thing to turn away from when I had to make my descsion NSX/ITR. Just map out the pros and cons of both, and I think money wise you'll see that the R is the right choice. But to each his own. I still to this day find myself on the autotrader looking at the nsx. That is until my clutch goes out! Best of luck.

Tristan
00-0503

ITR184

I think you would come out a little better if you sold your ITR for the retail value. You might have to wait a little bit, but that might give you more time to shop around. If you haven't allready check out NSX prime. http://<a href="http://www.nsxprime....ms...&f=22</a> You should be able to find a better deal. Oh, Doctors punish high dollar sports cars. I have met alot of flight surgeons from my wifes work.

nsxtasy

Right here! And ready to set the record straight, since some wrong information has been posted above.

There is an excellent NSX FAQ, located here. I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have that aren't answered there. I know a little bit about the NSX, having owned one for 14 years.

In terms of performance, there is no comparison. NSX &gt; ITR. Not even close. A bone stock '91-94 NSX Coupe typically tests 0-60 in 5.3 and the 1/4 in around 13.8, both figures roughly a full second faster than a bone stock ITR. In '97 they introduced the 3.2-liter engine and six-speed, and the corresponding figures are around 4.8 and 13.3 for the NSX-T (with the removable roof panel). Knock a couple of tenths off both figures if you can find one of the rare 3.2-liter NSX Coupes.

The good news: The car is still gorgeous. The performance is outstanding. When properly maintained, it has the same bulletproof reliability as the ITR and other Honda/Acura cars. Insurance is not particularly expensive, and may cost less than it does for your ITR. Although some parts are expensive, the price of consumables is similar to the ITR; I use the same brake pads and front track tires on both cars, for example. Depreciation on an older NSX is virtually zero, except for differences in mileage. There is a very supportive NSX community; the NSX Club of America is excellent, publishes a nice quarterly newsletter, and holds a great NSXPO event every year. NSXprime, with its forums and FAQ, is THE Internet resource for NSX owners.

However, like any car, there are downsides. The NSX is very conspicuous. (This can be a good thing; it's NOT a theft target like the ITR is.) It won't hold a lot of stuff, or more than two people (but it WILL hold a set of track tires). It's not very good in winter conditions; even with winter tires, it doesn't have a lot of ground clearance. It uses rear tires at a rapid rate, typically anywhere from 4K to 8K miles on a set of rear tires, although you can get 2-3 times that much on the front tires, and you can increase your tire treadlife by changing the alignment to reduce the rear toe, at the expense of a slight degradation in handling crispness. And people may think of you differently, which may or may not be a good thing.

Oh, one more thing to keep in mind - in most states, when you trade in a car, you only pay sales tax on the difference in price, not on the full purchase amount. So if the dealer is giving you $18K for your ITR, and your sales tax rate is 6.5 percent, that's actually worth $19,170 towards the purchase of the NSX.

You need the transmission number to determine whether it is in the snap ring range, but if the VIN is less than MT002500, it is probably NOT in the snap ring range. ~80 percent of the '91 five-speeds were NOT in the snap ring range. For more info: NSX FAQ --&gt; Troubleshooting --&gt; Transmission.

Beware deferred maintenance on low-mileage older NSXs. Some owners only go by mileage intervals and not time intervals, even for important services like transmission fluid, brake fluid, etc. The recommended interval for the timing belt replacement is 90K miles or 6 years, whichever comes first, but some low mileage early cars have never even done it, even though it should have been done twice by now, according to the manual's recommendations. A timing belt and water pump typically replacement runs $1200-1400. For more info: NSX FAQ --&gt; Maintenance.

Just like with the ITR, Kelley Blue Book is worthless (and for the same reason; it's a low volume car, with too few data points). If it has been decently maintained and is truly in mint condition, $32K is an excellent price for a car with mileage that low; if you want it, grab it! For more info: NSX FAQ --&gt; Buy, Sell, Ship, Store --&gt; Pricing.

Yes, it is.



Modified by nsxtasy at 5:20 PM 2/21/2005

Azcheron

91 NSX owns the R in every way

no competition at all

Kicker773

yep saw a cw one with a blk top on 94hwy going towards old orchard passed him then started chasing me.. scared me..just wanted to pass by n say hi...but instead he though i was his competition

nsxtasy

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If your ITR is PY, maybe he thought it was I (especially in that area), and he wanted to say hi to me.

BTW, the white NSX is Grand Prix White, not the same color as CW. (GPW is a "pure" white, whereas CW is slightly off white.)

130R

get ready to have ur windows down a lot, it gets pretty warm in the cockpit of those older nsx's

nsxtasy

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No, it doesn't.

R-1303

I have driven both...and owned both.

The R is easier to drive and learn on, but the nsx takes a more skilled drive with the motor behind you and rear drive. A expert in the ITR can keep up with a moderate driver in the NSX, but a expert in a NSX the ITR has no chance.

The only down side is the parts for the NSX is more expensive, but **** parts for a pos C-class Mercedes is even more! get my drift?...The NSX is a sport car, not a sport coupe.

I love my NSX, the power is enough for me currently (91 NSX) but yeah my R was a little faster from 0-100 since it was boosted but after 120+ NSX all the way.

The NSX does get the bling factor x10 over the R, I have people always asking me what kind of car it is, and other fellow car ethusiast giving me compliments. The Honda guys always do the double take


I don't know what that guy means about how my cockpit gets much hotter than the new models?!? yeah its can heat up more since its a 2 seater, but it can also cool down faster to...maybe he wants a NSX without a/c?

130R

i just based my opinion off an nsx i rode in. it doesnt account for everyone else's nsx...

geometro

I completely agree with Ken's statements.

The NSX is a big upgrade from the ITR performance wise.

Both are fun cars to drive: the NSX is much more refined...not as raw feeling.

Really depends on what you need the car for. The ITR is definitley more utilitarian.

Visit http://www.nsxprime.com and do some research before buying into one. Just bear in mind operating costs....for what it's worth, the NSX's insurance rate is about the same as the ITRs.
--
George

nsxtasy

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Yes, indeed. The word I used to describe the ITR in a recent post was "versatile". You can throw a lot of stuff/people/dogs into it, you can use it as an economical daily driver, you can take it on the racetrack, you can throw some winter tires on it and roll the SUVs in snow and frigid winter conditions, whereas the NSX can realistically only do a couple of those four things. The NSX makes a great second car, for fun drives and track days. But if I had to have only one car, it would be the ITR.

onyx00

Ken,

Predictions on the next generation NSX? If, when, and what?

Chris F

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Ken,

Remind me to change my Signature over on nsxprime.

-Chris