Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs.
11-17-2004, 08:30 AM
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Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs.
There are some ppl wants to convert their 4 lugs to 5 lugs, spent like $1000 bucks for it.
What is the benefit besides the looks?
What is the benefit besides the looks?
11-17-2004, 08:33 AM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (wpsadmin)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wpsadmin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are some ppl wants to convert their 4 lugs to 5 lugs, spent like $1000 bucks for it.
What is the benefit besides the looks?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Brakes.
And I wouldn't consider the 5th lug a benefit in the looks department.
What is the benefit besides the looks?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Brakes.
And I wouldn't consider the 5th lug a benefit in the looks department.
11-17-2004, 08:34 AM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (wpsadmin)
pro's:
-larger rotor/caliper
-less chance of the wheel popping off (5>4)
cons:
-fewer wheels to chose from
-more unsprung weight
-must use 15" or larger wheels
-crooks want to steal them
-larger rotor/caliper
-less chance of the wheel popping off (5>4)
cons:
-fewer wheels to chose from
-more unsprung weight
-must use 15" or larger wheels
-crooks want to steal them
11-17-2004, 08:51 AM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (Willard)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Willard »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">jup... if I had the spare cash.. I would have 4 lug swap with large rotors on my car asap.</TD></TR></TABLE>
me too, then i wouldn't be stuck with just Kosei K1s
me too, then i wouldn't be stuck with just Kosei K1s
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11-17-2004, 09:42 AM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (wpsadmin)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wpsadmin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are some ppl wants to convert their 4 lugs to 5 lugs, spent like $1000 bucks for it.
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$1000? Pft, I must had gotten ripped.
5 lug > *
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$1000? Pft, I must had gotten ripped.
5 lug > *
11-17-2004, 09:46 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cheezthis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All the Pros can be taken care of w/out going 5 lug.
Fastbrakes.com is always an option, or something else...</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can IM Jamie O. (HT member Doctor Cortez) if you want this setup. The ONLY reason I can see for going from 4 to 5 lug is the availability of some rims in 5x114.3 bolt pattern.
Fastbrakes.com is always an option, or something else...</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can IM Jamie O. (HT member Doctor Cortez) if you want this setup. The ONLY reason I can see for going from 4 to 5 lug is the availability of some rims in 5x114.3 bolt pattern.
11-17-2004, 09:48 AM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (wpsadmin)
isnt it, if there are more lugs, and they are more spaced out, wouldnt it reduce the stress on the hub? making rotational mass shorter? making acceleration, braking, and handling easier?
just a theory, because no way a huge truck would have 4 lug
just a theory, because no way a huge truck would have 4 lug
11-17-2004, 10:24 AM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (carbing'ed)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carbing’ed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">isnt it, if there are more lugs, and they are more spaced out, wouldnt it reduce the stress on the hub? making rotational mass shorter? making acceleration, braking, and handling easier?
just a theory, because no way a huge truck would have 4 lug</TD></TR></TABLE>
There are many different physics issues at play here. To make a long rambling very short; The lugs are so close to the center of the rotating mass that going from 4 lug to 5 lug or visa versa would make very very little difference at all. It would be so little in fact that it is more than likely that one would not feel the change.
Your question would be better geared toward lighter wheels that yeild lighter rotational mass.
I think that people just like to say that they "G0t th@ fiv3 lugz y0!". Sure it's "just like a type r (pumping fist in air)" but they just significantly limited themselves in the wheel choices.
just a theory, because no way a huge truck would have 4 lug</TD></TR></TABLE>
There are many different physics issues at play here. To make a long rambling very short; The lugs are so close to the center of the rotating mass that going from 4 lug to 5 lug or visa versa would make very very little difference at all. It would be so little in fact that it is more than likely that one would not feel the change.
Your question would be better geared toward lighter wheels that yeild lighter rotational mass.
I think that people just like to say that they "G0t th@ fiv3 lugz y0!". Sure it's "just like a type r (pumping fist in air)" but they just significantly limited themselves in the wheel choices.
11-17-2004, 11:47 AM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (Willard)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Willard »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pro's:
-larger rotor/caliper
-less chance of the wheel popping off (5>4)
cons:
-fewer wheels to chose from
-more unsprung weight
-must use 15" or larger wheels
-crooks want to steal them</TD></TR></TABLE>
Pro's: Rare wheels cost less than 4x100 ones.
-larger rotor/caliper
-less chance of the wheel popping off (5>4)
cons:
-fewer wheels to chose from
-more unsprung weight
-must use 15" or larger wheels
-crooks want to steal them</TD></TR></TABLE>
Pro's: Rare wheels cost less than 4x100 ones.
11-17-2004, 12:03 PM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (FeatherWeight)
I'll comment on this one since I have CTR (same as ITR) 5-lug on my 96 Civic.
Pro's
-much better braking
-much better handling (I used CTR shocks/springs as well)
Con's
-added unsprung weight (bad for handling, but I"m not at a point where I can tell the difference, didn't even affect acceleration)
-stiffer ride, only noticeable when pavement is cracked a lot or uneven
-15" wheels only
-only a few OEM wheels to pick, other wheels are usually expensive
-my car is completely stock except for this and I've been followed home already
If you are looking for bang for the buck, don't do it. I had wanted to do it after reading how great a stock R handles, especially wanted to do it after riding in a stock R at EXPO. Could have gone with KONI Yellows and custom rate Eibachs for the same price with quite a bit to spare, but I wanted a stock car to learn on and hated my cars stock brakes and suspension. Plus, "I'm an OEM kinda guy." The time Honda spends in developing parts is second to none and the quality is top notch.
About your question, the extra lug changes nothing other than how much you pay for lug nuts and how much time you spend changing wheels.
choice B > 5-lug
P.S. If you got bit by a dog and have the money to do it, go for it (not that I've done that......)
Link if you want to see some comparisons however it is spelled.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1030989
EDIT: I got used never mounted with tires Slipstreams and ordered Azenis from tires.com for a total of $650.00 If you can find a 5-lug conversion for $350, call the police and report a theft.
Pro's
-much better braking
-much better handling (I used CTR shocks/springs as well)
Con's
-added unsprung weight (bad for handling, but I"m not at a point where I can tell the difference, didn't even affect acceleration)
-stiffer ride, only noticeable when pavement is cracked a lot or uneven
-15" wheels only
-only a few OEM wheels to pick, other wheels are usually expensive
-my car is completely stock except for this and I've been followed home already
If you are looking for bang for the buck, don't do it. I had wanted to do it after reading how great a stock R handles, especially wanted to do it after riding in a stock R at EXPO. Could have gone with KONI Yellows and custom rate Eibachs for the same price with quite a bit to spare, but I wanted a stock car to learn on and hated my cars stock brakes and suspension. Plus, "I'm an OEM kinda guy." The time Honda spends in developing parts is second to none and the quality is top notch.
About your question, the extra lug changes nothing other than how much you pay for lug nuts and how much time you spend changing wheels.
choice B > 5-lug
P.S. If you got bit by a dog and have the money to do it, go for it (not that I've done that......)
Link if you want to see some comparisons however it is spelled.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1030989
EDIT: I got used never mounted with tires Slipstreams and ordered Azenis from tires.com for a total of $650.00 If you can find a 5-lug conversion for $350, call the police and report a theft.
11-17-2004, 12:07 PM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (carbing'ed)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carbing’ed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">isnt it, if there are more lugs, and they are more spaced out, wouldnt it reduce the stress on the hub? making rotational mass shorter? making acceleration, braking, and handling easier?
just a theory, because no way a huge truck would have 4 lug</TD></TR></TABLE>
rotational mass.. shorter? What? Hub stress? You are making no sense.
just a theory, because no way a huge truck would have 4 lug</TD></TR></TABLE>
rotational mass.. shorter? What? Hub stress? You are making no sense.
11-17-2004, 12:09 PM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (Aquafina)
Aquafina, why would 5 lug be stiffer or better handling? I don't understand why the wheels would affect that at all. That is handled by tires, coilovers, strut bars etc. Please explain.
11-17-2004, 12:13 PM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (all stock)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by all stock »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">5 lug is for the better selection on wheels.
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ugh...j00 sure about that?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by all stock »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
why go 5 lug if it's still 1 piston? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Cause the rotor is larger...
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ugh...j00 sure about that?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by all stock »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
why go 5 lug if it's still 1 piston? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Cause the rotor is larger...
11-17-2004, 12:14 PM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (PredatorGSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PredatorGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Aquafina, why would 5 lug be stiffer or better handling? I don't understand why the wheels would affect that at all. That is handled by tires, coilovers, strut bars etc. Please explain. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Read more carefully. I used the CTR suspension also. Not using the CTR/ITR suspension is half arsed unless you have something gut to put on.
Read more carefully. I used the CTR suspension also. Not using the CTR/ITR suspension is half arsed unless you have something gut to put on.
11-17-2004, 12:17 PM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (all stock)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by all stock »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">5 lug is for the better selection on wheels.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bzzzzt. WRONG.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why go 5 lug if it's still 1 piston?</TD></TR></TABLE>
These two things have nothing to do with each other... we're comparing 4 lug and 5 lug and all thats included, not 1 piston vs multi piston calipers.
Bzzzzt. WRONG.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why go 5 lug if it's still 1 piston?</TD></TR></TABLE>
These two things have nothing to do with each other... we're comparing 4 lug and 5 lug and all thats included, not 1 piston vs multi piston calipers.
11-17-2004, 12:35 PM
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Re: Newbie question, 5 lugs VS 4 lugs. (BlueR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMHO, seems like the cons outweigh the pros</TD></TR></TABLE>
BASICALLY
BASICALLY
11-17-2004, 12:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kengs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You can IM Jamie O. (HT member Doctor Cortez) if you want this setup. The ONLY reason I can see for going from 4 to 5 lug is the availability of some rims in 5x114.3 bolt pattern.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I want a set of those tires...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by all stock »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why go 5 lug if it's still 1 piston? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Isn't the piston bigger than say an OEm cx, civic caliper piston?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These two things have nothing to do with each other... we're comparing 4 lug and 5 lug and all thats included, not 1 piston vs multi piston calipers.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have to disagree with you on this one... The five lug hub comes with the larger rotors, which in turn means you are going to have to use the larger calipers. The "only" legitimate reason to go 5 lug is for the brakes...
You can IM Jamie O. (HT member Doctor Cortez) if you want this setup. The ONLY reason I can see for going from 4 to 5 lug is the availability of some rims in 5x114.3 bolt pattern.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I want a set of those tires...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by all stock »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why go 5 lug if it's still 1 piston? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Isn't the piston bigger than say an OEm cx, civic caliper piston?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These two things have nothing to do with each other... we're comparing 4 lug and 5 lug and all thats included, not 1 piston vs multi piston calipers.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have to disagree with you on this one... The five lug hub comes with the larger rotors, which in turn means you are going to have to use the larger calipers. The "only" legitimate reason to go 5 lug is for the brakes...
11-17-2004, 01:06 PM
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The additional weight added to the bottom of the car lowers the center of gravity which, in theory, will positively affect handling.
Hell, the only reason I swapped to a 5 lug was the fact that both of my front wheel bearings were shot and the 5 lug setup was just laying around.
Hell, the only reason I swapped to a 5 lug was the fact that both of my front wheel bearings were shot and the 5 lug setup was just laying around.
11-17-2004, 01:12 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kendall »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The additional weight added to the bottom of the car lowers the center of gravity which, in theory, will positively affect handling.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What?
How do you figure? What additional weight are you referring to? Are you saying the heavier weight of the 5 lug will positvely effect the cars handling? I disagree.
What?
How do you figure? What additional weight are you referring to? Are you saying the heavier weight of the 5 lug will positvely effect the cars handling? I disagree.
11-17-2004, 01:30 PM
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Re: (1GreyTeg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How do you figure? What additional weight are you referring to? Are you saying the heavier weight of the 5 lug will positvely effect the cars handling? I disagree.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I guess the whole in theory part slipped your mind.
Of course more weight anywhere is bad, but if you're going to have weight then it's best to have it as low as possible in order to minimize body roll, thus indicating that it could in theory positively affect handling if compounded with other forms of weight reduction or relocation.
I guess the whole in theory part slipped your mind.
Of course more weight anywhere is bad, but if you're going to have weight then it's best to have it as low as possible in order to minimize body roll, thus indicating that it could in theory positively affect handling if compounded with other forms of weight reduction or relocation.