Making your ITR AWD
08-19-2004, 02:45 PM
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Making your ITR RWD
More like RWD
I don't have much information to contribute to this post, i'm looking for information.. i know of blakes awd teg but don't konw much about it.. what needs to be done to make it possible? And how complicated could it be and how much (money would make the most difference, if reasonably priced, might be worth investment)?
crv transmission? - since its awd, running rears only would make it rwd, but does it mean only 50% of power is being tranferred?
what about suspension? can it be from 240sx or something? can this thread be turned into informative discussion?
would gas tank need modification? maybe its possible to reuse some parts from awd teg.. Any rwd tegs in Japan (Miraiz?)...
I don't have much information to contribute to this post, i'm looking for information.. i know of blakes awd teg but don't konw much about it.. what needs to be done to make it possible? And how complicated could it be and how much (money would make the most difference, if reasonably priced, might be worth investment)?
crv transmission? - since its awd, running rears only would make it rwd, but does it mean only 50% of power is being tranferred?
what about suspension? can it be from 240sx or something? can this thread be turned into informative discussion?
would gas tank need modification? maybe its possible to reuse some parts from awd teg.. Any rwd tegs in Japan (Miraiz?)...
08-19-2004, 02:54 PM
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (vtec.dc2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtec.dc2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">More like RWD
I don't have much information to contribute to this post, i'm looking for information.. i know of blakes awd teg but don't konw much about it.. what needs to be done to make it possible? And how complicated could it be and how much (money would make the most difference, if reasonably priced, might be worth investment)?
crv transmission? - since its awd, running rears only would make it rwd, but does it mean only 50% of power is being tranferred?
what about suspension? can it be from 240sx or something? can this thread be turned into informative discussion?
would gas tank need modification? maybe its possible to reuse some parts from awd teg.. Any rwd tegs in Japan (Miraiz?)...</TD></TR></TABLE>
what needs to be done is: a whole lot. it would not be reasonably priced at all, unless you could do ALL the fabrication yourself.
the crv transmission would work, but you'd definately have to relocate the gas tank, as well exhaust, and probably cut up the floor pan a bunch... the exhaust would be in the way of the driveshaft.
there are no rwd tegs in japan, unless someone made a custom one. there is a rwd del sol, with engine located in the rear. you could possibly do that and just locate the engine to the trunk area, but like i said, it would not be cheap, and unless you could do all the work yourself, it wouldn't exactly be worth it unless you REALLY REALLY loved your integra.
just don't even think about it with a type-r, too... the car was made for a purpose, and it's well balanced for its intended purpose. if honda thought it would be better RWD, they probably would have done that.
you could call up blake and braille auto and see just how much it would cost. if you don't have at least 8K to spend, i'd say forget it.
I don't have much information to contribute to this post, i'm looking for information.. i know of blakes awd teg but don't konw much about it.. what needs to be done to make it possible? And how complicated could it be and how much (money would make the most difference, if reasonably priced, might be worth investment)?
crv transmission? - since its awd, running rears only would make it rwd, but does it mean only 50% of power is being tranferred?
what about suspension? can it be from 240sx or something? can this thread be turned into informative discussion?
would gas tank need modification? maybe its possible to reuse some parts from awd teg.. Any rwd tegs in Japan (Miraiz?)...</TD></TR></TABLE>
what needs to be done is: a whole lot. it would not be reasonably priced at all, unless you could do ALL the fabrication yourself.
the crv transmission would work, but you'd definately have to relocate the gas tank, as well exhaust, and probably cut up the floor pan a bunch... the exhaust would be in the way of the driveshaft.
there are no rwd tegs in japan, unless someone made a custom one. there is a rwd del sol, with engine located in the rear. you could possibly do that and just locate the engine to the trunk area, but like i said, it would not be cheap, and unless you could do all the work yourself, it wouldn't exactly be worth it unless you REALLY REALLY loved your integra.
just don't even think about it with a type-r, too... the car was made for a purpose, and it's well balanced for its intended purpose. if honda thought it would be better RWD, they probably would have done that.
you could call up blake and braille auto and see just how much it would cost. if you don't have at least 8K to spend, i'd say forget it.
08-19-2004, 03:02 PM
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (vtec.dc2)
for someone who has been on this forum for so long you should have seen plenty of posts about rwd tegs, awd tegs and converting them. search.
08-19-2004, 03:07 PM
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (obd2gsr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by obd2gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
there are no rwd tegs in japan</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you absolutely sure there werent some AWD Integra in JDM? Could've sworn somebody, maybe Fuller, posted about them.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> wouldn't exactly be worth it unless you REALLY REALLY loved your integra. </TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL... If he really, really loved his Integra he'd understand that it isn't supposed to be RWD.
If you have nothing better to do, have the mechanical knowledge, skills and tools, and don't mind spending the money, maybe you could make a Drift King out of the Integra.
Let's face it, though. The G3 was introduced in 1994 and it simply isn't suited for RWD. I think a different car would make a better project in this particular case, as much as I like the DC2 ITR.
there are no rwd tegs in japan</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you absolutely sure there werent some AWD Integra in JDM? Could've sworn somebody, maybe Fuller, posted about them.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> wouldn't exactly be worth it unless you REALLY REALLY loved your integra. </TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL... If he really, really loved his Integra he'd understand that it isn't supposed to be RWD.
If you have nothing better to do, have the mechanical knowledge, skills and tools, and don't mind spending the money, maybe you could make a Drift King out of the Integra.
Let's face it, though. The G3 was introduced in 1994 and it simply isn't suited for RWD. I think a different car would make a better project in this particular case, as much as I like the DC2 ITR.
08-19-2004, 03:20 PM
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (George Knighton)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Are you absolutely sure there werent some AWD Integra in JDM? Could've sworn somebody, maybe Fuller, posted about them.
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i am 99.999999% sure there were no RWD tegs in japan. AWD is NOT RWD. there's a big difference. the AWD integra is the zxi model, powered by the 1.6 ZC SOHC engine.
Are you absolutely sure there werent some AWD Integra in JDM? Could've sworn somebody, maybe Fuller, posted about them.
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i am 99.999999% sure there were no RWD tegs in japan. AWD is NOT RWD. there's a big difference. the AWD integra is the zxi model, powered by the 1.6 ZC SOHC engine.
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08-19-2004, 03:31 PM
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I'm just speculating, but I believe it had more in common with 4g Realtime AWD Civics than the CRV, but seeing as the CRV was based off the Realtime system in the Civic anyway they're probably very similar. I think the AWD Integra predated the CRV, so the CRV would be using the Civic/Integra system rather than the other way around. The halfshafts in the CRV are pretty puny, so it's more than likely they're very similar.
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (George Knighton)
the "awd" crv system isn't even like a typical awd system. there is no helical gear in the rear end. it's regulated by pressure and front wheel slip.
no it will not work... short of a custom transmission and rear end.
no it will not work... short of a custom transmission and rear end.
08-19-2004, 11:23 PM
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (Mike K)
i'm pritty sure honda tuning made a write up (i think 2 or 3) about making a AWD Teggie. BTW the 4G Civic's AWD system only activates the rears when the fronts are slipping, if you try to do a burn out in one (dont ask how i know this 
) the fronts will spin for a split second then the rears engage, it's actually a viloent jolt if your trying to do a burnout. I'm not really sure if the CRVs work off the same system. just my .02
) the fronts will spin for a split second then the rears engage, it's actually a viloent jolt if your trying to do a burnout. I'm not really sure if the CRVs work off the same system. just my .02
08-20-2004, 12:45 AM
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (George Knighton)
There was an all wheel drive in Japan. There were a limited run of SIR-G's that had all wheel drive around 94-96. I didn't do too extensive research but have a couple japanese friends who confirmed my findings. Finding one is tough because not many were made. Get a friend who speeks Japanese and get him on Yahoo.jp 
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (Sideout)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sideout »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BTW the 4G Civic's AWD system only activates the rears when the fronts are slipping, if you try to do a burn out in one (dont ask how i know this ) the fronts will spin for a split second then the rears engage, it's actually a viloent jolt if your trying to do a burnout. I'm not really sure if the CRVs work off the same system. just my .02</TD></TR></TABLE>
The CRV is exactly the same. It's actually quite disturbing in the snow. When you punch the throttle in a turn the car understeers for a second, then the rears kick in and the car goes sideways like a crab. It's actually very hard to control. My 4Skinner is bloody fun and easy. If you leave it in RWD it's very easy to control, and if you put it in 4WD it's the same, just much faster.
) the fronts will spin for a split second then the rears engage, it's actually a viloent jolt if your trying to do a burnout. I'm not really sure if the CRVs work off the same system. just my .02</TD></TR></TABLE>The CRV is exactly the same. It's actually quite disturbing in the snow. When you punch the throttle in a turn the car understeers for a second, then the rears kick in and the car goes sideways like a crab. It's actually very hard to control. My 4Skinner is bloody fun and easy. If you leave it in RWD it's very easy to control, and if you put it in 4WD it's the same, just much faster.
08-20-2004, 11:30 AM
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (vtec.dc2)
the crv uses realtime awd (or do they call it realtime 4wd?) which is neither a true awd or 4wd. it uses a viscous coupling. its essentially a fwd car until the front wheels start to slip, at which point, the viscous coupling transfers power to the rear wheels.
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (vtec.dc2)
A couple correct statements to help guide you in your quest for a RWD Integra:
1. The CR-V tranny will send power to the rear 100% of the time (pt. 3 &4 HT Mag.)
2. The Realtime system is what engages or disengages to transfer the power to the rear, up to 50% (pt. 3 & 4 HT Mag.)
3. There was an AWD integra in Japan (pt. 1 HT Mag.) and it uses the same Realtime rear differential as the US CR-V, but is powered by a D-Series motor and was only available in 1993 as a 4-door to my knowledge (it has the same headlights as the US cars).
4. The Realtime system is NOT a performance AWD system. It is a reactive system. In fact, it a SLOW reactive system, very poor for 9/10s and 10/10s driving. Crawling out of a low traction low speed scenerio, it works surprisingly well.
I would aasume you want to make the car RWD for the following reasons:
1. To increase vehicle performance.
2. To drift it.
3. Cool factor.
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1. It may increase the performance in some situations. Remeber though that once you have reached the point that the car does not have enough power to spin the wheels, the RWD system is extra weight to accelerate.
2. For drifting the car does amazingly well. The future HT articles will be discussing this and many of you have seen the photos from the events.
3. Cool factor - 100% it is fun to drive and extremely unique. Even if a bandwagon is formed and a bunch of people do this, it will still probable be the only one in your area. Thinkof it - smokey burnouts next to the mustang that states "stupied front-wheel drive). The jealousy of 240 owners who had to part with their beloved civic turbo hatch to buy a nissan to go drifiting (Nothing wrong with nissans).
[IMG]Price wise:
Expect to pay, $2500 for a crv tranny, 300 for the driveshaft and rear end stuff, 250 for a gas tank, 200 for 5 lug front brakes, 400 for rear type r rotors and brake calipers and a whole lot of money on fabrication.
Is it possible? certainly. Is it affordable? depends on the pocket book
We are still testing the best possible set ups. I would wait a little while until all our testing is done. Expect about 6 months for all the details to be settled. Or you can get Honda Tuning Back issues and begin welding!
1. The CR-V tranny will send power to the rear 100% of the time (pt. 3 &4 HT Mag.)
2. The Realtime system is what engages or disengages to transfer the power to the rear, up to 50% (pt. 3 & 4 HT Mag.)
3. There was an AWD integra in Japan (pt. 1 HT Mag.) and it uses the same Realtime rear differential as the US CR-V, but is powered by a D-Series motor and was only available in 1993 as a 4-door to my knowledge (it has the same headlights as the US cars).
4. The Realtime system is NOT a performance AWD system. It is a reactive system. In fact, it a SLOW reactive system, very poor for 9/10s and 10/10s driving. Crawling out of a low traction low speed scenerio, it works surprisingly well.
I would aasume you want to make the car RWD for the following reasons:
1. To increase vehicle performance.
2. To drift it.
3. Cool factor.
In response:
1. It may increase the performance in some situations. Remeber though that once you have reached the point that the car does not have enough power to spin the wheels, the RWD system is extra weight to accelerate.
2. For drifting the car does amazingly well. The future HT articles will be discussing this and many of you have seen the photos from the events.
3. Cool factor - 100% it is fun to drive and extremely unique. Even if a bandwagon is formed and a bunch of people do this, it will still probable be the only one in your area. Thinkof it - smokey burnouts next to the mustang that states "stupied front-wheel drive). The jealousy of 240 owners who had to part with their beloved civic turbo hatch to buy a nissan to go drifiting (Nothing wrong with nissans).
[IMG]Price wise:
Expect to pay, $2500 for a crv tranny, 300 for the driveshaft and rear end stuff, 250 for a gas tank, 200 for 5 lug front brakes, 400 for rear type r rotors and brake calipers and a whole lot of money on fabrication.
Is it possible? certainly. Is it affordable? depends on the pocket book
We are still testing the best possible set ups. I would wait a little while until all our testing is done. Expect about 6 months for all the details to be settled. Or you can get Honda Tuning Back issues and begin welding!
08-22-2004, 09:32 AM
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (ppihctyper)
good to hear crv transmission will output 100% of power. i have plenty of power for extra weight of rwd, i wonder of differnce in crv gearing vs itr..
look forward to hear more in 6 month once more testing is done
look forward to hear more in 6 month once more testing is done
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (vtec.dc2)
I will be including the gearing chart in a newer HT article. The gearing is supershort in first, second gear is about the same as an itr. Thrid, fourth and fifth are all spaced very close together. In fact, in testing at Roebling road the gearing of the CR-V tranny is better than the ITR. This may not be true for all courses as each course has its own personality.
I would not bet the farm on the CRV transfer case holding more than 250 wheel horsepower. Although individual results may vary.
If you are planning 300hp plus. I would wait for a while till we explore the limits of the tranny. But, if you can afford it, go ahead and try it and let us know what the results are.
I would not bet the farm on the CRV transfer case holding more than 250 wheel horsepower. Although individual results may vary.
If you are planning 300hp plus. I would wait for a while till we explore the limits of the tranny. But, if you can afford it, go ahead and try it and let us know what the results are.
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (vtec.dc2)
man i know it would be hella pimp but don't you think it would be better to just get a 240sx and drop a rb25det in that sucker and build it. Or if you really like hondas just get an s2k.
just my 2 cents.
if you make a RWD teg the people will be shitting bricks when they see the rear wheels spinning
just my 2 cents.
if you make a RWD teg
the people will be shitting bricks when they see the rear wheels spinning
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (SwedBoy2999)
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if you make a RWD teg the people will be shitting bricks when they see the rear wheels spinning</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you haven't heard already ppihctyper (blake) already has one.
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if you make a RWD teg
the people will be shitting bricks when they see the rear wheels spinning</TD></TR></TABLE>If you haven't heard already ppihctyper (blake) already has one.
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Re: Making your ITR RWD (kendogg)
I have personally seen the AWD Integra when I was visiting New Zealand. I took a pic but as fate would have it, I cant find it.
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