ITR thief shot on site
01-26-2007, 10:00 AM
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What I don't understand is why the need to kill? I'd crack a couple warning shots in the air and then make him lay on the ground while my lady calls for back up.
I mean if you are that quick to kill a person you got issues....
On the other hand if you did shoot him I would just say (because the only way I could see something like that going down for myself), is that I pulled the gun out warned him to drop his weapons, etc. and in the commotion my finger slipped and I accidentally fired and you really had no intention of harming the individual. That right there would be best case scenario if it did go down.
I mean if you are that quick to kill a person you got issues....
On the other hand if you did shoot him I would just say (because the only way I could see something like that going down for myself), is that I pulled the gun out warned him to drop his weapons, etc. and in the commotion my finger slipped and I accidentally fired and you really had no intention of harming the individual. That right there would be best case scenario if it did go down.
01-26-2007, 10:27 AM
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Re: (SHORTBUS.)
This happened in WI. Some guy shot the car thieves and now is going to prison. What a bunch of bullshit.
http://www.journaltimes.com/nu...10055
should have shot the other ************ too.
http://www.journaltimes.com/nu...10055
should have shot the other ************ too.
01-26-2007, 10:36 AM
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Re: ITR thief shot on site (Splat)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Splat »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Gotcha. I was curious about your "registered" firearms comment.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, that wasn't the best choice of terms. What I meant was "a handgun legally purchased from a store." That involves the federally mandated background check, and it seems to me that using such a weapon helps just a tiny bit when explaining the situation to the authorities. "Well, it looks like a good shoot, and the guy did pass a background check to purchase that weapon." In my experience (none of which involves lethal force), the authorities tend to be a little less suspicious of people who demonstrate that they live within the law.
Gotcha. I was curious about your "registered" firearms comment.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, that wasn't the best choice of terms. What I meant was "a handgun legally purchased from a store." That involves the federally mandated background check, and it seems to me that using such a weapon helps just a tiny bit when explaining the situation to the authorities. "Well, it looks like a good shoot, and the guy did pass a background check to purchase that weapon." In my experience (none of which involves lethal force), the authorities tend to be a little less suspicious of people who demonstrate that they live within the law.
01-26-2007, 10:41 AM
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Re: (SHORTBUS.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SHORTBUS. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I don't understand is why the need to kill? I'd crack a couple warning shots in the air... </TD></TR></TABLE>
What do you think is going to happen when gravity takes over and those bullets fall back to earth?
You should never fire into the air in a densely populated area. The falling bullets can hit and injure innocent people. I would much rather put a bullet directly into a criminal than even take the chance of a stray bullet hitting a bystander.
This is no joking matter. You should never fire a weapon unless the intent is to kill the target. If the situation does not call for that, it does not call for a firearm in the first place. Guns are not made to injure or stop people; they are made to kill.
What do you think is going to happen when gravity takes over and those bullets fall back to earth?
You should never fire into the air in a densely populated area. The falling bullets can hit and injure innocent people. I would much rather put a bullet directly into a criminal than even take the chance of a stray bullet hitting a bystander.
This is no joking matter. You should never fire a weapon unless the intent is to kill the target. If the situation does not call for that, it does not call for a firearm in the first place. Guns are not made to injure or stop people; they are made to kill.
01-26-2007, 10:41 AM
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Re: ITR thief shot on site (UNDERGROUNDAUTOSALON)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UNDERGROUNDAUTOSALON »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Actually you may want to check into the laws for your state, I heard something about NJ residents being able to defend there property with deadly force although I am not positive on the exact laws, its worth you looking into
Most of there gun laws are to strict and thats one of the reason crime is so high there, the criminals dont care about breaking the law and will have guns reguardless, when the average person cant carry one and the armed criminal knows this it makes for easy pickins 
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You can only use force necessary for the situation.
Meaning equal or lesser force than is being used upon yourself(the victim).
We do have the castle law, but we can't just kill people that break through the door either. We must still use appropriate force.
Actually you may want to check into the laws for your state, I heard something about NJ residents being able to defend there property with deadly force although I am not positive on the exact laws, its worth you looking into
Most of there gun laws are to strict and thats one of the reason crime is so high there, the criminals dont care about breaking the law and will have guns reguardless, when the average person cant carry one and the armed criminal knows this it makes for easy pickins </TD></TR></TABLE>You can only use force necessary for the situation.
Meaning equal or lesser force than is being used upon yourself(the victim).
We do have the castle law, but we can't just kill people that break through the door either. We must still use appropriate force.
01-26-2007, 10:48 AM
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Re: (SHORTBUS.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SHORTBUS. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I don't understand is why the need to kill? I'd crack a couple warning shots in the air and then make him lay on the ground while my lady calls for back up.
I mean if you are that quick to kill a person you got issues....
On the other hand if you did shoot him I would just say (because the only way I could see something like that going down for myself), is that I pulled the gun out warned him to drop his weapons, etc. and in the commotion my finger slipped and I accidentally fired and you really had no intention of harming the individual. That right there would be best case scenario if it did go down. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry but that sounds like the movies man.
And what if he didnt want to listen to you and follow your instrustions, as any theif wouldn't. What if he turned and ran. Now you've wasted shots. Firing your gun in the air here is illegal too, don't know about there but you would wind up being in trouble for nothing.
Now the retard who attempted to steal your car knows you have weapons. Who knows what the moron theif will do next. You're at his will now. Will you be able to sleep at night knowing you let him get away because he didnt listen to you when you told him to lay on the ground? When and what will he come back with?
I mean if you are that quick to kill a person you got issues....
On the other hand if you did shoot him I would just say (because the only way I could see something like that going down for myself), is that I pulled the gun out warned him to drop his weapons, etc. and in the commotion my finger slipped and I accidentally fired and you really had no intention of harming the individual. That right there would be best case scenario if it did go down. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry but that sounds like the movies man.
And what if he didnt want to listen to you and follow your instrustions, as any theif wouldn't. What if he turned and ran. Now you've wasted shots. Firing your gun in the air here is illegal too, don't know about there but you would wind up being in trouble for nothing.
Now the retard who attempted to steal your car knows you have weapons. Who knows what the moron theif will do next. You're at his will now. Will you be able to sleep at night knowing you let him get away because he didnt listen to you when you told him to lay on the ground? When and what will he come back with?
01-26-2007, 11:52 AM
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Re: ITR thief shot on site (UNDERGROUNDAUTOSALON)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UNDERGROUNDAUTOSALON »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoBv7HmA5iE
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Those movies are awesome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoBv7HmA5iE
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Those movies are awesome!
01-26-2007, 12:09 PM
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Re: ITR thief shot on site (KOALA YUMMIES)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The point is, do you know anything about gun ownership in Japan? LOL didnt think so!
x2 It was very safe assumption that it happened in the States, anyone not hiding under a rock for the past 20 years would know that. And BTW anyone can put their location as Japan. 
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Yea, unless the thief was shot with an airsoft pistol, it's safe to assume it didnt happen in Japan
The point is, do you know anything about gun ownership in Japan? LOL didnt think so!
x2 It was very safe assumption that it happened in the States, anyone not hiding under a rock for the past 20 years would know that. And BTW anyone can put their location as Japan. </TD></TR></TABLE>Yea, unless the thief was shot with an airsoft pistol, it's safe to assume it didnt happen in Japan
01-26-2007, 12:10 PM
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Re: ITR thief shot on site (Kengs)
if the nypd can shoot unarmed people why can't we? **** we are protecting what is ours. the nypd and im sure many other Pd have alot of questionable shootings that get swept under the rug
01-26-2007, 12:11 PM
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Re: (The Tech-1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Tech-1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Sorry but that sounds like the movies man.
And what if he didnt want to listen to you and follow your instrustions, as any theif wouldn't. What if he turned and ran. Now you've wasted shots. Firing your gun in the air here is illegal too, don't know about there but you would wind up being in trouble for nothing.
Now the retard who attempted to steal your car knows you have weapons. Who knows what the moron theif will do next. You're at his will now. Will you be able to sleep at night knowing you let him get away because he didnt listen to you when you told him to lay on the ground? When and what will he come back with?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't be sorry. I'm just telling you what I would do. And if he ran I would catch him. I run a 5 min mile no prob so getting away.....yeah, not gonna happen.
*edit* Just spoke to a friend who is a cop. In CA he said property is property and murder is murder, and you can not use deadly force to protect private property.
Sorry but that sounds like the movies man.
And what if he didnt want to listen to you and follow your instrustions, as any theif wouldn't. What if he turned and ran. Now you've wasted shots. Firing your gun in the air here is illegal too, don't know about there but you would wind up being in trouble for nothing.
Now the retard who attempted to steal your car knows you have weapons. Who knows what the moron theif will do next. You're at his will now. Will you be able to sleep at night knowing you let him get away because he didnt listen to you when you told him to lay on the ground? When and what will he come back with?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't be sorry. I'm just telling you what I would do. And if he ran I would catch him. I run a 5 min mile no prob so getting away.....yeah, not gonna happen.
*edit* Just spoke to a friend who is a cop. In CA he said property is property and murder is murder, and you can not use deadly force to protect private property.
01-26-2007, 12:41 PM
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Re: ITR thief shot on site (cannan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cannan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did this shooting occur in Japan or the US? If it's the US I'd be interested to know which state. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I know Texas has a "No Duty to Retreat Law" and where I live, Georgia, we've just recently adopted the "No Duty to Retreat Law."
The Law basically relieves any citizen who is defending their lives or property of any liability whether criminal or civil. I love Georgia.
I know Texas has a "No Duty to Retreat Law" and where I live, Georgia, we've just recently adopted the "No Duty to Retreat Law."
The Law basically relieves any citizen who is defending their lives or property of any liability whether criminal or civil. I love Georgia.
01-26-2007, 12:47 PM
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Re: ITR thief shot on site (The Tech-1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Tech-1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You can only use force necessary for the situation.
Meaning equal or lesser force than is being used upon yourself(the victim).
We do have the castle law, but we can't just kill people that break through the door either. We must still use appropriate force.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, our law states the same. You may only meet deadly force with deadly force. But then again it does not define exactly what deadly force is. I'm 110lbs, if a 300lb man starts at me regardless of a gun or not and gets a hold of me and pounds me, I consider that deadly force. The idea is not to shoot first and ask questions later. The law, as I see it, is a law designed to help protect law-abiding citizens from wrongful suit whether civil or criminal in the process of defending their life or property.
You can only use force necessary for the situation.
Meaning equal or lesser force than is being used upon yourself(the victim).
We do have the castle law, but we can't just kill people that break through the door either. We must still use appropriate force.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, our law states the same. You may only meet deadly force with deadly force. But then again it does not define exactly what deadly force is. I'm 110lbs, if a 300lb man starts at me regardless of a gun or not and gets a hold of me and pounds me, I consider that deadly force. The idea is not to shoot first and ask questions later. The law, as I see it, is a law designed to help protect law-abiding citizens from wrongful suit whether civil or criminal in the process of defending their life or property.
01-26-2007, 01:28 PM
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As an owner of both and ITR and a .38 Super concealed carry pistol, I will tell you that your going away for a long time if u fataly shoot somone for trying to jack your car. Im pretty sure any pistol license will be revoked as well...or kept by the cops while this whole thing blows over.
I would only open fire on somone if I feared for my life. A few warning shots would have sent the scum scurrying. And trust me, if uve ever been near a relatively large calibre pistol when it goes off, you will thing long and ****** hard before you even think about going back around that neighbourhood.
My 2c.
I would only open fire on somone if I feared for my life. A few warning shots would have sent the scum scurrying. And trust me, if uve ever been near a relatively large calibre pistol when it goes off, you will thing long and ****** hard before you even think about going back around that neighbourhood.
My 2c.
01-26-2007, 01:47 PM
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damn, crazy ****, now i dont have an ITR, BUT i have done 2 jdm fronts one an R and one a dc4, i had each car for aobut 3 weeks, during these 6 weeks total my dad shot at people who snooped around the house and garage, mind you i live in a town w/ less than 50 kids to a graduating class in high school, i also live deep in the woods, **** is NUTS. now i dont have to worry aobut people snooping around at 1 am looking for **** im working on.
01-26-2007, 03:49 PM
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Re: ITR thief shot on site (UNDERGROUNDAUTOSALON)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UNDERGROUNDAUTOSALON »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoBv7HmA5iE
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FTGDMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY REDEMPTION.....LIES IN YOUR DEMISE!!!!!
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FTGDMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY REDEMPTION.....LIES IN YOUR DEMISE!!!!!
01-26-2007, 05:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">usually, i would say its not worth shooting someone over a car but since he already shot the ************....W0000000000T!!!!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL!
LOL!
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Re: ITR thief shot on site (len)
[QUOTE=len]
Yeah, our law states the same. You may only meet deadly force with deadly force. But then again it does not define exactly what deadly force is. I'm 110lbs, if a 300lb man starts at me regardless of a gun or not and gets a hold of me and pounds me, I consider that deadly force.QUOTE]
This happened in my apartment complex that I lived in two years ago. It doesn't give sizes and weight of the people involved but it gives a good indication of what the jury decided was self defense in an altercation. This occured in VA.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/....html
Yeah, our law states the same. You may only meet deadly force with deadly force. But then again it does not define exactly what deadly force is. I'm 110lbs, if a 300lb man starts at me regardless of a gun or not and gets a hold of me and pounds me, I consider that deadly force.QUOTE]
This happened in my apartment complex that I lived in two years ago. It doesn't give sizes and weight of the people involved but it gives a good indication of what the jury decided was self defense in an altercation. This occured in VA.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/....html
01-26-2007, 06:33 PM
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Re: (SHORTBUS.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SHORTBUS. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What I don't understand is why the need to kill? I'd crack a couple warning shots in the air and then make him lay on the ground while my lady calls for back up. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The law is pretty clear on this - kill or get sued. Warning shots = ticket to jail. A deadman can't testify in court.
Now, if you shot him in the back, they will probably get you. I've seen it argued where they painted a pretty nasty picture of the person (who was shot in the butt lol), and the shooter got off (thankfully).
The law is pretty clear on this - kill or get sued. Warning shots = ticket to jail. A deadman can't testify in court.
Now, if you shot him in the back, they will probably get you. I've seen it argued where they painted a pretty nasty picture of the person (who was shot in the butt lol), and the shooter got off (thankfully).
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