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Old 02-21-2007, 02:47 PM
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I hate working on vw...honda so much easier. The integra is probably one if not the best car for reliability. Use to work for Acura for 3 years. Still made in Japan not in Mexico like vw.
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I used to want a VR6 Corrado for years when i first got my license. I drove a VW Jetta for 2 or 3 years and hated it. I mean it ran well but little things were a pain. Things would break like my seat, window crank, ***** on the dash, lights, doors would stick, head liner would sag, etc. I've never had any of these problems with any acura i've owned. VW's have strong motors but everything else falls apart. You'd be happy in the long run with an R.
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since when did vw start making cars in mexico?????? LOL

the vw beetle? ok then...

remember guys im from uk, we get different spec etc to you guys. that goes with hondas too.

dont start about the nsx, it just wants to be a ferrari so thats why it was a flop. i am interested in type r's though especially integras, eg civics, new civic type r?? lol now that is gay, seriously looks like it was built for a trip to the moon.

ok yeh the video was quite good, on for ages though. here is a video of the corrado vr6 review (us version) on Motorweek, remember we get more hp 12hp more infact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIR7wjWldVg


and the vr6 on top gear a few years back: http://video.google.co.uk/vide...+gear


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The Corrado has horrible cooling and electrical issues. They are a nice car besides that. My friend had a '93 with a bunch of mods; it was really torquey and sounded great. I had a '96 GTi with a few mods back in '99 and it was OK. Lots of torque but really shitty shifting. I mean really shitty.

Between the two I would choose the R for many of the reasons already listed.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dubpolo1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">since when did vw start making cars in mexico?????? LOL

the vw beetle? ok then...

remember guys im from uk, we get different spec etc to you guys. that goes with hondas too.

dont start about the nsx, it just wants to be a ferrari so thats why it was a flop. i am interested in type r's though especially integras, eg civics, new civic type r?? lol now that is gay, seriously looks like it was built for a trip to the moon</TD></TR></TABLE>

Watch the whole video the first part is about the NSX-R, but then it goes into the ITR. Also in that video that NA 3.2liter NSX-R barely lost to the 1million dollar Ferrari so I think it does a pretty good job at being a super car.
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I guess I'll chime in since I have owned both a 93 SLC Corrado that I boosed and a couple 98 ITR's to date.
Although the Corrado has a special place in my automotive history, considering it was the first car that I purchased myself, I would probably opt for the the ITR or another DC2 or Honda for that matter.
My reasoning being:
Shifting:
Corrado = cable shift with no serious feel to what you are driving, plus it sucks to realighn
ITR = shift linkage / rods. Direct contact with transmission with no slop
Handling:
This one is tough considering both modded, but in stock form the ITR takes the cake. With sway bars and a decent suspension set up the corrado was on rails...but if you do the same to the ITR well...its incredible. The balance is more consistant and controlable on the Honda frame.
Reliability:
Here is what it all comes down too. Yes a VR boosted is sick and insane, as an ITR would be as well. But it all comes down to how deep are your pockets. The VR in comparison to the G60's are much better. The electrical issues were worked out and the interior flowed better as did some line changes on the exterior of the car. The killer though is the motor. Maintaining a 4 cyl compared to a 6cyl VW is like night and day. Lets look at the timing chain replacement on a VR...the tranny must be removed, all tensioners, and tensioner bolts must be replaced and you need a special cam locking device just to ger everything lined up again. Lots of time and money to accomplish this task, not to mention if you do pop the chain...big bucks to get another motor or to even reapair all the problems you just caused.
As for the 4cyl Honda or VW...a timing belt change can be done in a couple hours with out any problems.
Bottom line...the DOHC motor is much easier to work on and cheaper to repair or replace.

Well I hope this helps. As stated somewhere else on this thread. It really comes down to preference. What are you trying to accomplish? What is the cars purpose? And also, what look are you looking to obtain? In the end you need to be happy with your decision and happy with what you see in your garage. The Corrado has great lines, and looks sick lowered with some deep dished wheels, but that look right there doesn't buy you any track time .
Best wishes with your decision
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OEM G-ladder, rebuilt and ported by Bahn Brenner. After doing some kind of trick with the wiper control thing (or headlights/signals, not sure) the display in the gauge cluster will show your PSI. It was reading 15psi at that time. This was a very well running G60. Fun car.
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Well I hope VWs in the UK are a hell of a lot more reliable than in the states. Everyone I know with a VW has had a ****-ton of problems with them. Hondas are the exact opposite.

Honestly if you have to even ask this question, I think you should get the VW. Id take a GSR any day over a Corrado, much less a Type R.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dubpolo1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
remember guys im from uk, we get different spec etc to you guys. that goes with hondas too.

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EVO magazine (a popular UK magazine if I'm not mistaken) named the Integra Type-R the best FWD car of all time. Does that mean anything to you?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fuko &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i agree with everything else you say except those 2 points. the ITR stops hard, repeatedly. on a track setting. i haven't had issues with fade with a simple pad/fluid upgrade. i don't think the same can be said for mkIII GTI/Corrados


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The Corrado rotors seem to work fine on my CRX

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I've owned several CRX's and now an iTR...
Friends have owned several VWs, including the Corrado (various engine models)

I'd put my bone stock EE8 next to any bone stock Corrado ANY DAY and WIN in EVERY aspect...

But like stated above: on the highway, the corrado is easier because of it's torqier engine... in the CRX I had to drop one or two gears to keep up.

Not even wanting to go into the reliability thing... statistics say it all in this case... you want reliable, go Honda or Toyota (at least, here in Europe )
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stock to stock. itr is 4 banger and corado is V6 and itr makes more hp ..

but vr6 + boost would be real sweet
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^ So would ITR plus boost.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Larkin W. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">After all the troubles with my wife's old New Beetle I don't think I'd ever consider any V-Dub again...

If you want to go through issues with an older car, at least get one worth the trouble. I'd buy a E30 M3 if I had the money for maintenance on them </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ditto here on the New Beetle. My girlfriend has one and within a week of its warranty going out, everything started to take a dump. Drove it to a dealer once for service, got it back not running.
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Quick Honda and VW experiences
Back in high school 95, my mom first bought me my first new car, a red rabbit. It was cool and fun with a roofrack i loved it during that time. Then we sold it, My aunt gave me her 92 prelude Si. I beat the living HELLL out of it, that car was FUN. That Honda lasted forever, . Besides the only job that needed done was a timing belt waterpump. It still amazes me man. Another note. I later had a 89 accord 4spd. the shifter on the accord feels alot smoother than the 95 rabbit. Since then man, Ive been a Honda for Life. I like the new gti's, they look nice. But honda all the way.
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Originally Posted by GO-FIGHT-KILL
How extensively was the G60 modified? I know the stock superchargers aren't worth the metal they're made of. In stock form, the best I've seen one hit was mid-15s.


Modified by GO-FIGHT-KILL at 11:29 AM 2/21/2007
which is funny cause G60's are usually only good for a bit over 200whp

now this seems a bit Honda biased so lemme help out a bit here... to start, like any car. if the car was neglected, not maintainted, and upkeep was ignored yes a VW can have "electrical problems" which is 95% of the time just needing sensors put in when they were long over due... i've been owning Corrados for about 7 years i can can personally vouch for the Corrados electrical "problems" but i will say for some reason an aftermarket car alarm in a Corrado is usually bad news...

Pros of the Corrado VR6... a 2.9L which can easily be punched to a 3.1L and as said many many many times before there is no replacement for displacement. no, technology is NOT a replacement for displacement. anything you do to a 1.8L engine i can do to a 2.8, 2.9, 3.1, 4.6, 5.0L and provided the valve train has equal amount of valves i guarantee the 3.1L fully built as compared to a 1.8L or 2.0L fully built, the 3.1L makes more power...

USA 2.8L AAA VR6 bored to a 2.9L fully forged bottom end built for boost. car is legitamately a 600hp car. it's a real good friend of mines... if you go on vortex his name is Corradoxedge but he does not ***** his car out on vortex cause he's nt that type of guy... actually he almost never posts...

there is also a big fallacy that the VR6 as aopposed to a G60 is a very heavy engine... not really the case... noticable but not as exagerated as made out to be... so the weight dist. isn't far off from a G60... now it's hard for me to try to say the Corrado with a full set up suspension will handle as well as an ITR fully set up... cause it won't... but a Corrado with a real good suspension is nothing to laugh at in the Corners... my Red G60 ( i guess i should go by colors when i'd had more G60's than i can count on 1 hand) was quite the corner monster and i only had Bilsteins and eibachs...

so what i would say come down to track racing i would rely on the Corrados excessive capability to power you out of a corner because unlike an ITR it does not lack in the Tq department...

but if you're gonna drag race and talk down on Tq for some odd reason saying you'll always spin off the line excessively it's all about the driving... we don't drive out VR6's like you guys drive the hondas off of a launch, by you guys and hondas myself included. VR guys if N/A can rev, drop the clutch, hold first, let the car spin through and catch back up with itself, stop spinning and take off like a bastard! (all in first gear) i've never been able to do the same with any of the B series' i've had... when you stop spinning doesn't seem to be enough Tq for the car to launch hard again when it stops spinning...

if both cars are turbo well slicks for both and i still lean on displacment...

looks... come on... how often do you really see a Corrado on the road? and then compare it to how often do you see any integra on the road? sure an ITR is a hell of a rare car, but it's platform is shared where the Corrado is a Corrado... not once have i taken out my Corrado and not have people stare at it... it's just a good looking car...

i know VTEC is one F'n impressive of a design. but if you ahve your heart set one one type of racing/driving, you can just as well tune your valve train to that and the use of VTEC is irrelevant... but hey i F'n love VTEC i just know when it comes down to racing, it's not necissary...

i'm just trying to point out the other side of the argument... personally after owning as many Corrados as i have i think i'd still take the ITR though... maybe cause i've had so many Corrados... if i've never owned a rado before it may be a different story... i mean come on does an inteagre have a speed activated spoiler like the Corrado does and damn does it get peoples attention haha
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^Got any decent G60 rotors sittitng around you want to get rid of?


Eh, corrado's are ok. I like scirocco's a little better for some reason.

ITR&gt; Corrado
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Type R hands down.

The VR can have all the torque in the world, doesn't matter on the track. On the throttle, properly driven on most tracks, an R will rarely go out of the powerband so it's lack of torque doesn't make much of an impact.

In terms of modification potential, money is the bottom line ... not whether you're starting with a 1.8L or a 5.0L. There have been 1000HP+ versions of both with nothing but technology standing in the way of getting more.

And IMO, the ONLY replacement for displacement IS Technology. An entire generation of Honda vehicles have been proving the old saying dead wrong since 1959
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98 ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Type R hands down.

The VR can have all the torque in the world, doesn't matter on the track. On the throttle, properly driven on most tracks, an R will rarely go out of the powerband so it's lack of torque doesn't make much of an impact.

In terms of modification potential, money is the bottom line ... not whether you're starting with a 1.8L or a 5.0L. There have been 1000HP+ versions of both with nothing but technology standing in the way of getting more.

And IMO, the ONLY replacement for displacement IS Technology. An entire generation of Honda vehicles have been proving the old saying dead wrong since 1959 </TD></TR></TABLE>

^ obviously never owned a force induced V8... if technology was a replacement for displacement why is it in all motor sports large displacement engines are prominent and small displacement engines are no where to be found? and i would love by the way to see an engine that was originally a 1.8L make 1000+hp by the way... i'm calling BS on that one... i've yet to see it... and if you can proove it then i stand corrected on the BS call... until then i don't believe it... not even for a second... actually... i'd like to see an engine that was originally a 1.8 make 600whp cause that alone is one hell of a challenge. on my 1.8L fully built, balanced, oil squirted pistons, air to water IC, GT35/40, no expense spared and i don't expect anything over 400whp

and unfortunatly no... no G60 rotors laying around... odd request haha check vwvortex.com ? coming soon though i'll have many G60 stuff as i am stripping a bunch of stuff out of mine to save weight...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JustinG60 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

^ obviously never owned a force induced V8... if technology was a replacement for displacement why is it in all motor sports large displacement engines are prominent and small displacement engines are no where to be found? and i would love by the way to see an engine that was originally a 1.8L make 1000+hp by the way... i'm calling BS on that one... i've yet to see it... and if you can proove it then i stand corrected on the BS call... until then i don't believe it... not even for a second... actually... i'd like to see an engine that was originally a 1.8 make 600whp cause that alone is one hell of a challenge. on my 1.8L fully built, balanced, oil squirted pistons, air to water IC, GT35/40, no expense spared and i don't expect anything over 400whp

and unfortunatly no... no G60 rotors laying around... odd request haha check vwvortex.com ? coming soon though i'll have many G60 stuff as i am stripping a bunch of stuff out of mine to save weight...</TD></TR></TABLE>

You did mention motorsports....

so I guess you haven't heard of the 1.5L formula 1 engines back in the day making the legendary 1000hp that you simply cannot accept....

And you guessed it... Honda did it....

http://www.hondaracingf1.com/e...id=10

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With the latest turbocharged engines now producing well in excess of 1000bhp (from just 1.5-litres), the sporting authorities sought to counter the ingenuity of F1 engine manufacturers by limiting boost pressure to 4 bar for the 1987 season. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Anyhow, small displacement does exist today in motorsports - relatively speaking - sure there are the huge monster 8.0L+ Vipers and 7.0L+ Vettes, but F1 and rally cars are still small displacement; not to mention other classes such as Group N are all 2.0L and under.

There isn't a ton of them out there, but if you take some time to look in the forced induction forum, you'll see there are guys pushing out close to and some well over 400whp on SOHC motors....the DOHC guys aim for 500-600

Oh....and ex-95 Corrado VR6 owner here. Was a nice car back in the day... and still is today, but for my purposes - well...I'm on a Honda board for good reason
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JustinG60 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^ obviously never owned a force induced V8... if technology was a replacement for displacement why is it in all motor sports large displacement engines are prominent and small displacement engines are no where to be found? and i would love by the way to see an engine that was originally a 1.8L make 1000+hp by the way... i'm calling BS on that one... i've yet to see it... and if you can proove it then i stand corrected on the BS call... until then i don't believe it... not even for a second... actually... i'd like to see an engine that was originally a 1.8 make 600whp cause that alone is one hell of a challenge. on my 1.8L fully built, balanced, oil squirted pistons, air to water IC, GT35/40, no expense spared and i don't expect anything over 400whp

and unfortunatly no... no G60 rotors laying around... odd request haha check vwvortex.com ? coming soon though i'll have many G60 stuff as i am stripping a bunch of stuff out of mine to save weight...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Here are a few 2.0L's for the time being (I'm sure they both could be reduced to 1.8 to increase piston speed and make similar power)... can't find the link I'm looking for right now, but I don't have time.

And I'm not going to get in another "replacement for displacement" arguement again. No point. Dead issue. Money talks, nothing else.

http://www.thecarconnection.co....html

http://www.amsperformance.com/amsdragevo.php

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