USDM Tsuchiya

i just got a 01' JDM ITR cluster and when i put my fresh swap in i want to roll it back to zero.. anyone know how to do this?

jeffrey

a little illegal, but hey whatever up to you.

i don't know how to do it, but if you run a search, it's there. someone's done it before w/ a how-to
edit: i'd help you search, but my comp here sucks.

and it's illegal because the miles don't exclusively represent your engine, but your chassis and bla bla lba

NINJA

I'm pretty sure no one here will disclose that information...

Better get your flame suit on

sjracer

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It's illegal.

Are you able to back up that name you're representing as your user name? Those are some HUGE shoes to fill.

IGGY

Would it be illegal if it's a JDM odometer?

thk

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I'm wondering the same thing also since the JDM cluster wouldn't have the correct "mileage" to begin with.

But I'd question the need to do this since the swap has miles on it anyway, right (it's not like it's a brand spanking new engine)? So ... why bother rolling back the odometer?

Big Poppa Pump

Touchy Subject.

Dave-ROR

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As I recall, it's illegal to change it at all without documenting it.

People_Mover

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As I recall, it's illegal to change it at all without documenting it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hondahans

What about never having a cluster in the first place? - (theft recovery) How do you know how many miles are on the car anyway? You don't. If there's an easy way to do it, I will when I finally buy a cluster for my caR, the engine will be brand new, 0 miles, so why not?. I also agree...it deffinately can be a sketchy subject.

type-r 01 886

Well, its so damn easy to do both to be honest. I hope they do something in the future that the ECU records the mileage or something.

But I know a lot of people buy the cluters and dont sync the mileage up. The only way to know if when its serviced becuase they document your mileage everytime.

Lip

reason its touchy is.....

its suppose to be documented. I'm not going to give you advice on how to do such a thing...but i will say that i guess its not a big deal as long as your title states that your vehicle mileage is unknown or there is a discrepency in the true mileage of the vehicle and the odometer reading. In NJ there is a place on your title to check off for such a thing.

mstewar

i will not be rolling back my odometer.. it's illeagal.. and the chassis still has that mileage on it..

in my mind, even swapping the cluster is illeagal without documenting it.. mostly because you no longer represent the true mileage of the vehicle.. doesn't really matter what's on the motor..

theft recovery is a little different.. in most cases, mileage worries fall out the window on these since the title is salvaged anyhow.. if you're going to clean it, then you'd just need to document what the mileage was.. carfax or autocheck is probably the easiest/most accurate way to do that, since it's last registration will list a mileage..

Mr.Fairlady

I'd love to know as well,..I will end up doing the same thing w/ the R that I'm getting---JDM cluster & I'd want the milage to match in Kilo's
Looks like it would be easy as hell,..haven't messed w/ a Teg in a long time but could probaly figure it out

Yes Yes it is illegal---but eitehr way,you swapping the JDM cluster w/ the US one--the mileage is not being recorded onto the US one BECASUE it IS NOT IN(it would be the JDM one receiving the mileage??VERY TOUCY subject.

00DVPGSR

I thought it was illegal to mislead a prospective buyeron the mileage of your car, but as long as you keep a record of how many miles were on your cluster when you switched and how many miles the new cluster had when it was installed it was ok?

Anyway I have a JDM ITR cluster in my GSR, still have the original cluster, but I never plan to get rid of my car unless I get into an accident.

hondahans

Thats's what i mean, I have a salvaged title so it makes no differnce to me. . I spoke to the previous owner and he said it was somewhere around 45,000 miles. I just feel better knowing that I am starting over when the car is all complete with the new motor.

---hans who will lie to himself and pretend the car is brand new off the lot..

jdmspoonitr

iTrader: (1)

It doesn't matter if it's jdm or not. It's still illegal. Because when the jdm one is in, your stock cluster is gaining no mileage on it, so you are cheating.

Dave-ROR

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you approximate. Most people know the mileage of their hype-r's within a few thousand miles. Also, if it's inspected, the mileage is recorded then. So there is a record of it, not exact, but close. Changing a cluster to 0 and using it is illegal. Period. Changing out a functioning cluster has to be documented if it's even legal (not 100% sure, I know that non-functioning odometers must be changed and old mileage clearly documented on the vehicle)

As for a theft recovery that you buy and are not the original owner, I dunno. Depending on state it may be set to the last known mileage (inspection, etc) or may be set depending on what the last owner said. I dunno, check your local laws. Just because a car did not come with the cluster doesn't make using a 0 mileage one legal without documentation.

Dave-ROR

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---hans who will lie to himself and pretend the car is brand new off the lot.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

As long as your document it properly, or change the title to reflect that mileage is unknown, you'll be fine.

reefer_bob

I was under the impression that it was legal to do if you: a) put back the original milage or b) set it to 0.

There are perfectly leagal reasons to replace guage clusters. Those are you only 2 options.

Dave-ROR

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There are perfectly leagal reasons to replace guage clusters. Those are you only 2 options.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Original mileage HAS to be document if you are still claiming mileage on the title. Using a 0 mile cluster is not legal without documentation with the legal reason why it was required to be replaced. You can't just decide to go to 0 miles again because you want to.

jdmspoonitr

iTrader: (1)

It wouldn't make sense for it to be legal to set it to zero. Think about if you wanted to sell the car, you could sell it showing tens of thousands of less miles than it actually has. Many people do not bring their cars to the dealer, especially R owners, so there would be no record of mileage. Then you could potentially scam someone and there would be no way of proving you wrong.

hondahans

Here's what i gathered about Pennsylvania state law on odometer readings and such...especially upon the sale of a vehicle.


§ 21.3. Disclosure of odometer information.
(a) General. Prior to or simultaneously with the execution of an ownership transfer document, each transferor of a motor vehicle shall furnish to the transferee a written statement signed by the transferor, containing the following information:

(1) The cumulative mileage registered on the odometer, which figure reflects the actual mileage the vehicle has traveled.

(2) If the transferor knows that the odometer reading differs from the number of miles the vehicle has actually traveled, and that the difference is greater than that caused by odometer calibration error, a statement that the actual vehicle mileage is unknown.

(b) Statement on ownership transfer document. If the ownership transfer document incorporates an odometer disclosure statement complying with subsection (a), the transferor shall satisfy the requirements of that subsection by completing the appropriate statement on the ownership transfer document.

(c) Separate statement. If the ownership transfer document does not incorporate a disclosure statement containing the information provided under subsection (a), the transferor shall furnish the transferee a separate odometer disclosure statement which shall conform in content to the Federal odometer disclosure form specified in § 580.6 of 49 CFR Part 580, Odometer Disclosure Requirements. The separate disclosure statement shall be completed in duplicate. The duplicate copy shall be attached to the ownership transfer document and forwarded to the Department by the transferee with the application for a new certificate of title.

Source

The provisions of this § 21.3 amended October 27, 1978, effective October 28, 1978, 8 Pa.B. 2915.

RockstarJR

I know plenty of people who have jdm clusters and they don't sync the mileage.

Dave-ROR

Federal Statue..

Motor Vehicle Cost Information Act, 49 U.S.C. Section 32704

1. (It shall be unlawful for a person) "with intent to defraud, operate a motor vehicle on a street, road, or highway if the person knows that the odometer of the vehicle is disconnected or not operating; or

2. The owner of the vehicle or agent of the owner shall attach a written notice to the left door frame of the vehicle specifying the mileage before the service, repair, or replacement and the date of the service, repair, or replacement.

3. A person transferring ownership of a motor vehicle shall give the transferree the following written disclosure

A) Disclosure of the cumulative mileage registered on the odometer,

B) Disclosure that the actual mileage is unknown if the transferror knows that the odometer reading is different from different from the number of miles the vehicle has actually traveled.

(b) Mileage Statement Requirement for Licensing. - (1) A motor vehicle the ownership of which is transferred may not be licensed for use in a State unless the transferee, in submitting an application to a State for the title on which the license will be issued, includes with the application the transferor's title and, if that title contains the space referred to in paragraph (3)(A)(iii) of this subsection, a statement, signed and dated by the transferor, of the mileage disclosure required under subsection (a) of this section