Help: I think I'm being scammed by an ITR owner: Quankwan
03-10-2004, 08:36 AM
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Just curious, how were these "packaged"?
If they were just wrapped in plastic or something (and someone could see exactly what they were), then I could see how they'd easily get "lost" when being shipped by something like Greyhound.
If they were just wrapped in plastic or something (and someone could see exactly what they were), then I could see how they'd easily get "lost" when being shipped by something like Greyhound.
03-10-2004, 08:50 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DAsix »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Getting insurance is the best way to go!</TD></TR></TABLE>
So there was no insurance purchased for a thousand dollar transaction? I think that would've cost about $15-20.
So there was no insurance purchased for a thousand dollar transaction? I think that would've cost about $15-20.
03-10-2004, 09:06 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zygspeed »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just curious, how were these "packaged"?
If they were just wrapped in plastic or something (and someone could see exactly what they were), then I could see how they'd easily get "lost" when being shipped by something like Greyhound. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well I paid $40 on top of shipping charges so he could purchase boxes from greyhound, along with misc . He told me he went to Wlamart I think and bought bubble wrap and had gottne the,m nicely packed. I'm certain they were packaged well as this wasn't his first time to ship seats.
So yes i know shipping companies employees steal ****, but I dont think that was the case here because from what Quan told me they were packaged well.
But maybe he can chime in and let us know exactly how they were packaged.
Guys if you go to page 2 of the thread, there should be a resultion in the necxt few days
Quan is calling greyhound to see what's going on
If they were just wrapped in plastic or something (and someone could see exactly what they were), then I could see how they'd easily get "lost" when being shipped by something like Greyhound.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Well I paid $40 on top of shipping charges so he could purchase boxes from greyhound, along with misc . He told me he went to Wlamart I think and bought bubble wrap and had gottne the,m nicely packed. I'm certain they were packaged well as this wasn't his first time to ship seats.
So yes i know shipping companies employees steal ****, but I dont think that was the case here because from what Quan told me they were packaged well.
But maybe he can chime in and let us know exactly how they were packaged.
Guys if you go to page 2 of the thread, there should be a resultion in the necxt few days
Quan is calling greyhound to see what's going on
03-10-2004, 09:21 AM
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"Guys if you go to page 2 of the thread, there should be a resultion in the necxt few days
Quan is calling greyhound to see what's going on "
This really should have been taken care of weeks ago.
Quan is calling greyhound to see what's going on "
This really should have been taken care of weeks ago.
03-10-2004, 09:27 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by QuanKwan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK iggy, I will contact grayhound, and if they are truly lost and no where to be found, I will take a lost in it with you, since it is not fair for you to take the complete lost.
I will compensate half the cost of what you lost, that way it will be equal.
And IF PER CHANCE, the seats do arrive, I will trust you in good faith that you will return my money that I will compensate to you.
I honestly can't think of another way to work things out with you besides this, let me know.</TD></TR></TABLE>
How are you only going to refund half of his money? You need to give him a full refund, and he needs to hold onto it until his Seats arrive. Once they arrive all he has to do is send you the money again. I've read every post from both topics, and in all honesty it sounds like quikB18B is getting scammed. I mean anyone can sit there and say they are calling greyhound an dmake up some excuse. Even if it was lost to go from 10-15 Days to 6-7 weeks, it would have arrived by then, unless it is making a round trip visit around the united states. Think about it Greyhound has hundred of thousands of busses EVERYDAY going somewhere. For a company like this to loose something for 6-7 weeks, just shouldn't happen. I say give him a FULL refund until you find those seats, cause if you "loose half" and you did scam him, you still made almost 600 bucks.
I will compensate half the cost of what you lost, that way it will be equal.
And IF PER CHANCE, the seats do arrive, I will trust you in good faith that you will return my money that I will compensate to you.
I honestly can't think of another way to work things out with you besides this, let me know.</TD></TR></TABLE>
How are you only going to refund half of his money? You need to give him a full refund, and he needs to hold onto it until his Seats arrive. Once they arrive all he has to do is send you the money again. I've read every post from both topics, and in all honesty it sounds like quikB18B is getting scammed. I mean anyone can sit there and say they are calling greyhound an dmake up some excuse. Even if it was lost to go from 10-15 Days to 6-7 weeks, it would have arrived by then, unless it is making a round trip visit around the united states. Think about it Greyhound has hundred of thousands of busses EVERYDAY going somewhere. For a company like this to loose something for 6-7 weeks, just shouldn't happen. I say give him a FULL refund until you find those seats, cause if you "loose half" and you did scam him, you still made almost 600 bucks.
03-10-2004, 10:42 AM
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[QUOTE=QuanKwan]Sorry I am not like you freaking geeks that goes on here every freaking day and stare the screen.QUOTE]
LMMFAO---funny stuff man! SO true
LMMFAO---funny stuff man! SO true
03-10-2004, 11:26 AM
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Cmon guys he let the cat out of the bag when he said he would give half back. No person would just take a loss that easily no matter how "well" off they are or how much money they have to spend. I can relate to what is going on cause I went through a similiar situation trying to send a nitrous kit to canada. In the end I offered to re3fund the money and sell the kit to someone else. the buyer denied and we finally got i to him. This goes back to the if it seems to good to be true it probably is!! Good luck Iggy let meknow what if anything I can do to help. Plane ticket to Mr. Qwans house or hell lets take the Greyhound and maybe we will stumble across your seats LOL
03-11-2004, 04:13 AM
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ok this is f-ing retarded because i have said over and over that i am not a freaking scammer, so grow up and drop it. OK Funny guys, pay him in full, im already in good faith to give him half his lost. I dont like to deal with BS like this and dragging on and on. If i was an ******* i would have said screw you, not my fault u didnt ur damn seats, sorry its my money, ur just out of luck, but no, I did offer a reasonable and amicable resolution which the buyer has not yet complained, so F-U all guys for being straight up dumbasses and being gay on this internet Forum, probably most of u guys have no freaking lives but yeah, thats reality.
As for Iggy, you have my word bro, I have shipped them out, as agreed upon, there is no scam in that, I know how you feel when **** like this happened, I got scamed once and I know how it feels to be in a situation like this.
By offering half the lost is a very reasonable idea, like i said i would take half the lost if they are truly lost, not FULL DUMBASSES.
As for Iggy, you have my word bro, I have shipped them out, as agreed upon, there is no scam in that, I know how you feel when **** like this happened, I got scamed once and I know how it feels to be in a situation like this.
By offering half the lost is a very reasonable idea, like i said i would take half the lost if they are truly lost, not FULL DUMBASSES.
03-11-2004, 06:55 AM
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oh Mr. Qwan I am far from a dumass gay boy! Look it might not be your fault he hasnt gotten the seats but it is in fact your responsibility. He paid full price, No seat you refund full price and deal with the shipment company on your time! If you were to buy from Honda a package that needed to be shipped and it never showed up would you not expect full refund?? Take that into consideration. I am Iggys roomate and I can assure you he has been extremly patient with this situation! Give him the respect he deserves and dont worry about what other hters say. make this right bro is all he is asking
03-11-2004, 07:11 AM
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its your responsibilities as the seller to insure and make sure the product gets to the buyer.
put yourself on the other end of the stick, how would you feel if the buyer said, i mailed the money but i guess it got lost in the mail, well ohh well, i'll take half the loss and send you half the payment. would you still sell to him?
put yourself on the other end of the stick, how would you feel if the buyer said, i mailed the money but i guess it got lost in the mail, well ohh well, i'll take half the loss and send you half the payment. would you still sell to him?
03-11-2004, 07:44 AM
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What everyone keeps forgetting is there are 3 PARTIES here.
1 quikB18B
2 QuanKwan
3 Shipping company.
So if 1 pays 2.
2 pays 3.
3 has goods and $ from 2.
I think 3 owes both 1 and 2.
So start there. Quit it with the BS. Stop hating and follow the right path.
1 quikB18B
2 QuanKwan
3 Shipping company.
So if 1 pays 2.
2 pays 3.
3 has goods and $ from 2.
I think 3 owes both 1 and 2.
So start there. Quit it with the BS. Stop hating and follow the right path.
03-11-2004, 07:56 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DAsix »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What everyone keeps forgetting is there are 3 PARTIES here.
1 quikB18B
2 QuanKwan
3 Shipping company.
So if 1 pays 2.
2 pays 3.
3 has goods and $ from 2.
I think 3 owes both 1 and 2.
So start there. Quit it with the BS. Stop hating and follow the right path. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I can't start there because the only way to trace the package and the transaction is the GLI #, without that they can't do ****. I can't even prove anything was sent to me, without it. I have tried numoerous times to contact greyhound and see if they can trace the sale, but they said they would have to do it manually and they can only do that if the shipper( Quan) authorizes it.
Trust me I have done everything i can.
1 quikB18B
2 QuanKwan
3 Shipping company.
So if 1 pays 2.
2 pays 3.
3 has goods and $ from 2.
I think 3 owes both 1 and 2.
So start there. Quit it with the BS. Stop hating and follow the right path. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I can't start there because the only way to trace the package and the transaction is the GLI #, without that they can't do ****. I can't even prove anything was sent to me, without it. I have tried numoerous times to contact greyhound and see if they can trace the sale, but they said they would have to do it manually and they can only do that if the shipper( Quan) authorizes it.
Trust me I have done everything i can.
03-11-2004, 07:57 AM
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i dont know the seller or the buyer, but i think its a general rule for each to save all documentation until the transaction is complete to protect both parties, especially in this case dealing with big money seats.
this situation and anything like this is unfortunate for all members on HT who buy and sell everyday, as this contributes to an atmosphere of anxiety when dealing online. i usually feel a little more comfortable buying stuff thru HT than thru similar sites because there seems to be more of a community here where more people know eachother other than just over a computer. atleast for the buyer, there seems to be a few people who know the seller personally.
between the 2 parties though, the one in the driver seat once the money was sent, was and is the seller. he's got control of this whole situation. wether or not there is still a receipt, i'd think the shipping company can still track down the package by sellers request and look up the approx date and time the package was sent with even the smallest bit of information. from my own past experiences of buying online, only the seller could request for any such info, not me. as such, i had to rely on another person's responsibilty and honesty, and i've been lucky in the past.
it sounds like the seller is a guy that people can vouch for here on HT, so hopefully for the buyer this all winds down to a satisfactory end. if everyone took a second to put themselves in the buyer's shoes, you'd feel the anxiety and stress of his situation right now, which i'm sure is understandable and familiar to all.
good luck to both of you
this situation and anything like this is unfortunate for all members on HT who buy and sell everyday, as this contributes to an atmosphere of anxiety when dealing online. i usually feel a little more comfortable buying stuff thru HT than thru similar sites because there seems to be more of a community here where more people know eachother other than just over a computer. atleast for the buyer, there seems to be a few people who know the seller personally.
between the 2 parties though, the one in the driver seat once the money was sent, was and is the seller. he's got control of this whole situation. wether or not there is still a receipt, i'd think the shipping company can still track down the package by sellers request and look up the approx date and time the package was sent with even the smallest bit of information. from my own past experiences of buying online, only the seller could request for any such info, not me. as such, i had to rely on another person's responsibilty and honesty, and i've been lucky in the past.
it sounds like the seller is a guy that people can vouch for here on HT, so hopefully for the buyer this all winds down to a satisfactory end. if everyone took a second to put themselves in the buyer's shoes, you'd feel the anxiety and stress of his situation right now, which i'm sure is understandable and familiar to all.
good luck to both of you
03-11-2004, 08:12 AM
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Half in goof faith? LOL, is this a ******* joke?
The seller has the RESPONSIBILITY to track the shipment if it gets lost or 'held up'. It isn't the buyer's responsibility to endlessly track a shipment that may have never been sent, or sent after the fact. Furhermore, the shipper should be the one adding insurance into the cost of shipping, that isn't the buyer's responsibility. When I buy from a store or shop, I don't have to ask. I have NEVER been asked by a seller 'how much insurance'.... that is something the buyer takes care of. If it gets lost - You pay 100% because you weren't smart enough to insure the package and inform the seller of the insurance cost. Sorry. That's how it goes.
If the buyer cannot PROVE that the shipment was sent, they owe the entire amount back to the seller. If the shipment gets stuck or lost... and there is no insurance, refer up to the previous paragraph. That is how most responsible people handle this.
Quan - You dont seem to be trying very hard to be a good seller. The whole 'what the **** do you want me to do' attitude is just making your name look even worse.
The seller has the RESPONSIBILITY to track the shipment if it gets lost or 'held up'. It isn't the buyer's responsibility to endlessly track a shipment that may have never been sent, or sent after the fact. Furhermore, the shipper should be the one adding insurance into the cost of shipping, that isn't the buyer's responsibility. When I buy from a store or shop, I don't have to ask. I have NEVER been asked by a seller 'how much insurance'.... that is something the buyer takes care of. If it gets lost - You pay 100% because you weren't smart enough to insure the package and inform the seller of the insurance cost. Sorry. That's how it goes.
If the buyer cannot PROVE that the shipment was sent, they owe the entire amount back to the seller. If the shipment gets stuck or lost... and there is no insurance, refer up to the previous paragraph. That is how most responsible people handle this.
Quan - You dont seem to be trying very hard to be a good seller. The whole 'what the **** do you want me to do' attitude is just making your name look even worse.
03-11-2004, 08:23 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Half in goof faith? LOL, is this a ******* joke?
The seller has the RESPONSIBILITY to track the shipment if it gets lost or 'held up'. It isn't the buyer's responsibility to endlessly track a shipment that may have never been sent, or sent after the fact. Furhermore, the shipper should be the one adding insurance into the cost of shipping, that isn't the buyer's responsibility. When I buy from a store or shop, I don't have to ask. I have NEVER been asked by a seller 'how much insurance'.... that is something the buyer takes care of. If it gets lost - You pay 100% because you weren't smart enough to insure the package and inform the seller of the insurance cost. Sorry. That's how it goes.
If the buyer cannot PROVE that the shipment was sent, they owe the entire amount back to the seller. If the shipment gets stuck or lost... and there is no insurance, refer up to the previous paragraph. That is how most responsible people handle this.
Quan - You dont seem to be trying very hard to be a good seller. The whole 'what the **** do you want me to do' attitude is just making your name look even worse.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yep.. that's how it is..
my advice would be to bust your *** trying to get greyhound to look it up, manually if they have to.. no one is too busy to make a 15 minute phone call, especially when this much money is involved..
The seller has the RESPONSIBILITY to track the shipment if it gets lost or 'held up'. It isn't the buyer's responsibility to endlessly track a shipment that may have never been sent, or sent after the fact. Furhermore, the shipper should be the one adding insurance into the cost of shipping, that isn't the buyer's responsibility. When I buy from a store or shop, I don't have to ask. I have NEVER been asked by a seller 'how much insurance'.... that is something the buyer takes care of. If it gets lost - You pay 100% because you weren't smart enough to insure the package and inform the seller of the insurance cost. Sorry. That's how it goes.
If the buyer cannot PROVE that the shipment was sent, they owe the entire amount back to the seller. If the shipment gets stuck or lost... and there is no insurance, refer up to the previous paragraph. That is how most responsible people handle this.
Quan - You dont seem to be trying very hard to be a good seller. The whole 'what the **** do you want me to do' attitude is just making your name look even worse.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yep.. that's how it is..
my advice would be to bust your *** trying to get greyhound to look it up, manually if they have to.. no one is too busy to make a 15 minute phone call, especially when this much money is involved..
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Still no resolve on this? I know neither party, but what if the buyer actually does have the seats and he is saying he hasn't received them? Hypothetically of course, as I do believe that he has yet to receive them. This is the problem when selling and buying items from people you do not know and through the mail, chances are being taken on both ends of the stick. I just hope that neither is trying to scam the other and the tranaction finalizes with both parties happy with the end result. I can somewhat understand why Quan only wants to give back half, just because how does he really know if the seats didn't actually arrive? Guys you have to really look at both sides of the situation, not only the buyer's side.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC5RK20A »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I can somewhat understand why Quan only wants to give back half, just because how does he really know if the seats didn't actually arrive? Guys you have to really look at both sides of the situation, not only the buyer's side.</TD></TR></TABLE>
He knows because one check my vouch thread, you will see the extent I go through to help others whether it be sales or anything. I have vouches from honda-tech sponsors, moderators, and poeple that have been on honda-tech and are known by the whole site. I loved this place since the day I got here and i'd never give up honda-tech to make a quick buck.
Take a second to read my vovuh thread and I bet you'll think twice about thinking the seats are in my car. Besides about 15-20 honda-tech memebers from Dallas saw my car last night at the local Wed night meet, and they commented how nice it was with the exception of my seats
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He knows because one check my vouch thread, you will see the extent I go through to help others whether it be sales or anything. I have vouches from honda-tech sponsors, moderators, and poeple that have been on honda-tech and are known by the whole site. I loved this place since the day I got here and i'd never give up honda-tech to make a quick buck.
Take a second to read my vovuh thread and I bet you'll think twice about thinking the seats are in my car. Besides about 15-20 honda-tech memebers from Dallas saw my car last night at the local Wed night meet, and they commented how nice it was with the exception of my seats
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quikB18B »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
He knows because one check my vouch thread, you will see the extent I go through to help others whether it be sales or anything. I have vouches from honda-tech sponsors, moderators, and poeple that have been on honda-tech and are known by the whole site. I loved this place since the day I got here and i'd never give up honda-tech to make a quick buck.
Take a second to read my vovuh thread and I bet you'll think twice about thinking the seats are in my car. Besides about 15-20 honda-tech memebers from Dallas saw my car last night at the local Wed night meet, and they commented how nice it was with the exception of my seats .</TD></TR></TABLE>
Like I said in my post I do believe you, without knowing you. Though I can understand why he said he will give you back half the cash. Buying/selling through the net is a tough game to play, especially when the parties are individuals and not actual businesses. Good luck to you in acquiring the seats.
He knows because one check my vouch thread, you will see the extent I go through to help others whether it be sales or anything. I have vouches from honda-tech sponsors, moderators, and poeple that have been on honda-tech and are known by the whole site. I loved this place since the day I got here and i'd never give up honda-tech to make a quick buck.
Take a second to read my vovuh thread and I bet you'll think twice about thinking the seats are in my car. Besides about 15-20 honda-tech memebers from Dallas saw my car last night at the local Wed night meet, and they commented how nice it was with the exception of my seats
.</TD></TR></TABLE>Like I said in my post I do believe you, without knowing you. Though I can understand why he said he will give you back half the cash. Buying/selling through the net is a tough game to play, especially when the parties are individuals and not actual businesses. Good luck to you in acquiring the seats.
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I think the buyer and seller are both at fault here.
Buyer why the hell didn't you file a claim with paypal a week after no tracking number. Everytime I buy something online I get the tracking number within 24 hours.
And seller.......in the end like it or not it is your responsibility to make sure the package is received by the buyer. Wouldn't you have insurance on an item like this?? $1000 Packages do not just fly into never never land without leaving a paper trail.
Buyer why the hell didn't you file a claim with paypal a week after no tracking number. Everytime I buy something online I get the tracking number within 24 hours.
And seller.......in the end like it or not it is your responsibility to make sure the package is received by the buyer. Wouldn't you have insurance on an item like this?? $1000 Packages do not just fly into never never land without leaving a paper trail.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC5RK20A »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Still no resolve on this? I know neither party, but what if the buyer actually does have the seats and he is saying he hasn't received them? Hypothetically of course, as I do believe that he has yet to receive them. This is the problem when selling and buying items from people you do not know and through the mail, chances are being taken on both ends of the stick. I just hope that neither is trying to scam the other and the tranaction finalizes with both parties happy with the end result. I can somewhat understand why Quan only wants to give back half, just because how does he really know if the seats didn't actually arrive? Guys you have to really look at both sides of the situation, not only the buyer's side.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats why as the seller you are suppose to track and insure items shipped, if the buyer decided to lie you could say, nope shows here on tracking#???? you have signed for it already, or you could say if he rea;y has not recieved it yet, ok mr??? it appears your item is at ???? should get there within so many days. until the buyer recieved and signed for the item it is your (seller) responsibilities, why else would you charge them shipping? the buyer is paying you also to ship them, you are just subcontracting another company to do the work for you.
pay up.
thats why as the seller you are suppose to track and insure items shipped, if the buyer decided to lie you could say, nope shows here on tracking#???? you have signed for it already, or you could say if he rea;y has not recieved it yet, ok mr??? it appears your item is at ???? should get there within so many days. until the buyer recieved and signed for the item it is your (seller) responsibilities, why else would you charge them shipping? the buyer is paying you also to ship them, you are just subcontracting another company to do the work for you.
pay up.
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Re: (esponet)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by esponet »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
thats why as the seller you are suppose to track and insure items shipped, if the buyer decided to lie you could say, nope shows here on tracking#???? you have signed for it already, or you could say if he rea;y has not recieved it yet, ok mr??? it appears your item is at ???? should get there within so many days. until the buyer recieved and signed for the item it is your (seller) responsibilities, why else would you charge them shipping? the buyer is paying you also to ship them, you are just subcontracting another company to do the work for you.
pay up.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good point, what the hell was I thinking about?
thats why as the seller you are suppose to track and insure items shipped, if the buyer decided to lie you could say, nope shows here on tracking#???? you have signed for it already, or you could say if he rea;y has not recieved it yet, ok mr??? it appears your item is at ???? should get there within so many days. until the buyer recieved and signed for the item it is your (seller) responsibilities, why else would you charge them shipping? the buyer is paying you also to ship them, you are just subcontracting another company to do the work for you.
pay up.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good point, what the hell was I thinking about?