abs pump/modulator + computer 94-97 spec vs 98-01 spec
03-17-2008, 08:10 AM
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abs pump/modulator + computer 94-97 spec vs 98-01 spec
is there any difference between the 94-97 and the 98-01?
and can you use the pump + computer from 97 spec when the master cylinder + prop valve is from 98 spec?
and can you use the pump + computer from 97 spec when the master cylinder + prop valve is from 98 spec?
03-17-2008, 08:17 AM
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Re: abs pump/modulator + computer 94-97 spec vs 98-01 spec (menthos)
I'm not sure about the second question, but there is a difference in the 94-97 and 98-01 ABS modulators and accumulators. My 97 ABS modulator and accumulator are bad so I've been doing a lot of research, and unfortunately, you can't interchange them.
03-17-2008, 08:36 AM
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but what is the difference?
i want to know if should try and search for the 98 spec or just buy the 97 spec that i have been offered...
well why can't you interchange them?
i want to know if should try and search for the 98 spec or just buy the 97 spec that i have been offered...
well why can't you interchange them?
03-17-2008, 09:43 AM
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Re: abs pump/modulator + computer 94-97 spec vs 98-01 spec (menthos)
On a USDM ITR, 97-01 ABS pumps are all the same. The earlier years base Integras (94-97) had the larger ABS pump. The reason for the non interchangeable probably has to do with the hardlines that go to the pump, but I have not sat down and compared them side to side.
03-17-2008, 12:04 PM
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well the case is that i got a 5-lug brake conversion from an 98 spec ITR and i got the master cylinder, brake booster and prop valve from that car too, but i thought i could use my civic EG ABS pump and computer..
but some said to me that i should get the ABS from an ITR instead because it works much better than the civic ABS...
but the firm where i have gotten the rest from, doesn't have an 98 spec, only 97 spec...
according to the firm, there is difference between the 97 and 98 spec but he didn't know what the difference is
but some said to me that i should get the ABS from an ITR instead because it works much better than the civic ABS...
but the firm where i have gotten the rest from, doesn't have an 98 spec, only 97 spec...
according to the firm, there is difference between the 97 and 98 spec but he didn't know what the difference is
03-17-2008, 12:27 PM
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alright... then i just need to make sure i got it all...
i have:
4 abs sensors from DC2 (same as civic EG)
driveshaft with abs
complete wire harness from ITR
abs computer/control unit from DC2
abs pump/modulator from DC2
proportion valve from DC2
master cylinder & brake booster from DC2
i have:
4 abs sensors from DC2 (same as civic EG)
driveshaft with abs
complete wire harness from ITR
abs computer/control unit from DC2
abs pump/modulator from DC2
proportion valve from DC2
master cylinder & brake booster from DC2
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03-18-2008, 08:13 AM
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Re: (menthos)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by menthos »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
according to the firm, there is difference between the 97 and 98 spec but he didn't know what the difference is</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are they talking USDM or JDM? USDM is identical 97-01...JDM might be a different story?
according to the firm, there is difference between the 97 and 98 spec but he didn't know what the difference is</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are they talking USDM or JDM? USDM is identical 97-01...JDM might be a different story?
03-18-2008, 11:54 AM
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you should just keep your civic abs because it is a lot of work that really isn't necessary to install the itr abs. that or just get rid of the abs all together, but if you are just trying to use the larger master cylinder with the 5 lug swap you can use that with your civic abs.
03-18-2008, 10:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by citrus3000psi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All this work for one extra lug nut. ugh</TD></TR></TABLE>
no... all this work for new brakes.. i swapped an b16a2 in my EJ2 (honda civic coupé 1,5i) so i needed to upgrade the brakes...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by -DC4- »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you should just keep your civic abs because it is a lot of work that really isn't necessary to install the itr abs. that or just get rid of the abs all together, but if you are just trying to use the larger master cylinder with the 5 lug swap you can use that with your civic abs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what i have heard, the ITR abs should be alot better than the civic abs... any way i don't got abs on my car right now, so it will be a lot of work both ways...
no... all this work for new brakes.. i swapped an b16a2 in my EJ2 (honda civic coupé 1,5i) so i needed to upgrade the brakes...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by -DC4- »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you should just keep your civic abs because it is a lot of work that really isn't necessary to install the itr abs. that or just get rid of the abs all together, but if you are just trying to use the larger master cylinder with the 5 lug swap you can use that with your civic abs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what i have heard, the ITR abs should be alot better than the civic abs... any way i don't got abs on my car right now, so it will be a lot of work both ways...
03-18-2008, 10:35 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by menthos »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what i have heard, the ITR abs should be alot better than the civic abs... any way i don't got abs on my car right now, so it will be a lot of work both ways...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Have you ever seen anyone add abs to a car that didn't come equipped with it or even swap from the 96 spec to the 98 spec? It really isn't worth the hassle just get a 1 inch master cylinder and 4040 prop valve (whick I think you should already have since you don't have abs but I'm not 100% sure) and you will have plenty of braking power.
what i have heard, the ITR abs should be alot better than the civic abs... any way i don't got abs on my car right now, so it will be a lot of work both ways...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Have you ever seen anyone add abs to a car that didn't come equipped with it or even swap from the 96 spec to the 98 spec? It really isn't worth the hassle just get a 1 inch master cylinder and 4040 prop valve (whick I think you should already have since you don't have abs but I'm not 100% sure) and you will have plenty of braking power.
03-20-2008, 03:53 AM
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Re: Re: (-DC4-)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by -DC4- »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Have you ever seen anyone add abs to a car that didn't come equipped with it or even swap from the 96 spec to the 98 spec? It really isn't worth the hassle just get a 1 inch master cylinder and 4040 prop valve (whick I think you should already have since you don't have abs but I'm not 100% sure) and you will have plenty of braking power.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes i have seen a few..
and i have seen a lot remove their abs too, and that must be about the same work as installing abs...
i want abs in my car, and it really isn't that hard to install when my car need new brake lines anyway and most of the interior is apart anyway, so it isn't that hard to wire up the abs...
and the sensors was already installed on the brake swap...
Have you ever seen anyone add abs to a car that didn't come equipped with it or even swap from the 96 spec to the 98 spec? It really isn't worth the hassle just get a 1 inch master cylinder and 4040 prop valve (whick I think you should already have since you don't have abs but I'm not 100% sure) and you will have plenty of braking power.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes i have seen a few..
and i have seen a lot remove their abs too, and that must be about the same work as installing abs...
i want abs in my car, and it really isn't that hard to install when my car need new brake lines anyway and most of the interior is apart anyway, so it isn't that hard to wire up the abs...
and the sensors was already installed on the brake swap...
03-20-2008, 05:16 AM
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I added abs to my non abs 2000 civic si and everthing worked out great, It did take alot of time getting all the wireing worked out. P.S. If you have a civic then you have to use civic abs not the itr abs, it will not fit cause of the diffrences in the hardlines on the firewall.
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Re: (FOC-US2K)
I don't know what car this is going into, nor can I tell you if it will fit in a civic. Though I can tell you the types in the cars and the differences.
First, let's get the types of units out of the way:
JDM ITR's:
96-97 had the OLD style of ABS units
98+ had the NEW style ABS unit
USDM ITR's:
97-01 ALL had the NEW style ABS unit
Next, let go over the differences between the old and new units and why their componants aren't compatible with each other.
OLD units - Were a 3 zone system, which means that it controls the 2 individual front brakes with separate but both of the back brakes are one zone together.
NEW units - Are a 4 zone system, one zone for each corner of the car.
The wiring harnesses are completely different between the 2 units. I can't quite remember which one had the plug with more pins in it, but they do not nor will they connect with each other in any way. In order to switch them out, you will need a complete system, which involves all of the harness and ECU's, etc... You will also need to know how and where certain lines splice into the dash wiring harness. You can not use a JDM wiring harness b/c that puts the ABS ECU right where you car ECU is. If you know USDM integra's, that is the reason why the ABS ECU is put in rear quarter panel area behind the plastics. JDM ITR's have their ECU's in the front kick panels.
Last, is the hardlines. The OLD unit is obviously a lot bigger than the NEW style(that's the reason why 96-97 ITR's never came with HID lights
), so the hardlines will not work with one another. You can either buy new ones for the specific style you are using or have someone bend you some custom ones.
First, let's get the types of units out of the way:
JDM ITR's:
96-97 had the OLD style of ABS units
98+ had the NEW style ABS unit
USDM ITR's:
97-01 ALL had the NEW style ABS unit
Next, let go over the differences between the old and new units and why their componants aren't compatible with each other.
OLD units - Were a 3 zone system, which means that it controls the 2 individual front brakes with separate but both of the back brakes are one zone together.
NEW units - Are a 4 zone system, one zone for each corner of the car.
The wiring harnesses are completely different between the 2 units. I can't quite remember which one had the plug with more pins in it, but they do not nor will they connect with each other in any way. In order to switch them out, you will need a complete system, which involves all of the harness and ECU's, etc... You will also need to know how and where certain lines splice into the dash wiring harness. You can not use a JDM wiring harness b/c that puts the ABS ECU right where you car ECU is. If you know USDM integra's, that is the reason why the ABS ECU is put in rear quarter panel area behind the plastics. JDM ITR's have their ECU's in the front kick panels.
Last, is the hardlines. The OLD unit is obviously a lot bigger than the NEW style(that's the reason why 96-97 ITR's never came with HID lights
), so the hardlines will not work with one another. You can either buy new ones for the specific style you are using or have someone bend you some custom ones.
03-20-2008, 11:24 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EG6-DC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know what car this is going into, nor can I tell you if it will fit in a civic. Though I can tell you the types in the cars and the differences.
First, let's get the types of units out of the way:
JDM ITR's:
96-97 had the OLD style of ABS units
98+ had the NEW style ABS unit
USDM ITR's:
97-01 ALL had the NEW style ABS unit
Next, let go over the differences between the old and new units and why their componants aren't compatible with each other.
OLD units - Were a 3 zone system, which means that it controls the 2 individual front brakes with separate but both of the back brakes are one zone together.
NEW units - Are a 4 zone system, one zone for each corner of the car.
The wiring harnesses are completely different between the 2 units. I can't quite remember which one had the plug with more pins in it, but they do not nor will they connect with each other in any way. In order to switch them out, you will need a complete system, which involves all of the harness and ECU's, etc... You will also need to know how and where certain lines splice into the dash wiring harness. You can not use a JDM wiring harness b/c that puts the ABS ECU right where you car ECU is. If you know USDM integra's, that is the reason why the ABS ECU is put in rear quarter panel area behind the plastics. JDM ITR's have their ECU's in the front kick panels.
Last, is the hardlines. The OLD unit is obviously a lot bigger than the NEW style(that's the reason why 96-97 ITR's never came with HID lights ), so the hardlines will not work with one another. You can either buy new ones for the specific style you are using or have someone bend you some custom ones.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
i have the brake booster and master cylinder + proportion valve from an 98 spec
and the pump/modulator + control unit + wire harness from 97 spec JDM... will this work together? ( i guess it depends on if the prop. valve and master cylinder is the same?)
how much difference is there between the old one and the new one if it is for road use only? i guess it makes bigger difference on the track right?
my car ECU has been moved anyway, so it won't be a problem with the ECU...
and i got an wiring diagram for the abs harness, so that shouldn't be a problem either..
i need to get new brake lines anyway, because there are rust on the lines...
First, let's get the types of units out of the way:
JDM ITR's:
96-97 had the OLD style of ABS units
98+ had the NEW style ABS unit
USDM ITR's:
97-01 ALL had the NEW style ABS unit
Next, let go over the differences between the old and new units and why their componants aren't compatible with each other.
OLD units - Were a 3 zone system, which means that it controls the 2 individual front brakes with separate but both of the back brakes are one zone together.
NEW units - Are a 4 zone system, one zone for each corner of the car.
The wiring harnesses are completely different between the 2 units. I can't quite remember which one had the plug with more pins in it, but they do not nor will they connect with each other in any way. In order to switch them out, you will need a complete system, which involves all of the harness and ECU's, etc... You will also need to know how and where certain lines splice into the dash wiring harness. You can not use a JDM wiring harness b/c that puts the ABS ECU right where you car ECU is. If you know USDM integra's, that is the reason why the ABS ECU is put in rear quarter panel area behind the plastics. JDM ITR's have their ECU's in the front kick panels.
Last, is the hardlines. The OLD unit is obviously a lot bigger than the NEW style(that's the reason why 96-97 ITR's never came with HID lights
), so the hardlines will not work with one another. You can either buy new ones for the specific style you are using or have someone bend you some custom ones.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i have the brake booster and master cylinder + proportion valve from an 98 spec
and the pump/modulator + control unit + wire harness from 97 spec JDM... will this work together? ( i guess it depends on if the prop. valve and master cylinder is the same?)
how much difference is there between the old one and the new one if it is for road use only? i guess it makes bigger difference on the track right?
my car ECU has been moved anyway, so it won't be a problem with the ECU...
and i got an wiring diagram for the abs harness, so that shouldn't be a problem either..
i need to get new brake lines anyway, because there are rust on the lines...
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