2006 civic si vs itr question
09-03-2007, 07:20 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pa_itr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">..k-series is lightyears ahead of the b-series no matter what anybody says. </TD></TR></TABLE>
It's going to be a lot easier to get good, long live'd power out of the K20A(*). The motor was deliberately designed to compensate for the perceived weaknesses of the B18C while also providing more torque across a wider range.
The B motor's cylinder 3 hot spot is gone in the K motors, too.
You can make up for a lot of the inherent superiority of the K motor if you really know your stuff with the B motors, though. Remember that Keven Helms is still wining H1 races with a B20 hybrid.
It's going to be a lot easier to get good, long live'd power out of the K20A(*). The motor was deliberately designed to compensate for the perceived weaknesses of the B18C while also providing more torque across a wider range.
The B motor's cylinder 3 hot spot is gone in the K motors, too.
You can make up for a lot of the inherent superiority of the K motor if you really know your stuff with the B motors, though. Remember that Keven Helms is still wining H1 races with a B20 hybrid.
09-03-2007, 08:39 AM
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Bottom line is that these are two completely different cars. I now own both, love both, but knew from the beginning their uses would be complete opposite. The new Si is a blast to drive, but not an R nor even close. We purchased an FA5 vs FG2 for the reason that we were tired of putting people in the backseat without a door of their own to climb in and out of. I absolutely love it, and think for the money their isn't too much i would rather have.
Again... two completely different cars. Decide what you want out of "your" car and then decide which is for you.
Modified by Jon D at 12:53 PM 9/3/2007
Again... two completely different cars. Decide what you want out of "your" car and then decide which is for you.
Modified by Jon D at 12:53 PM 9/3/2007
09-03-2007, 12:08 PM
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Re: 2006 civic si vs itr question (itr590)
my friend has a 06 si and i drive it all the time, and every time i drove it i counldnt wait to get out of the car, the si is a good car, but u can tell it was designed for fat americans. everything about the R is better except the stereo.
09-03-2007, 12:52 PM
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Re: 2006 civic si vs itr question (crxgator)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crxgator »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">designed for fat americans?
not really...
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sit in a si seat then in the R seat...
not really...
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sit in a si seat then in the R seat...
09-03-2007, 02:27 PM
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Re: 2006 civic si vs itr question (uNF$@#!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by uNF$@#! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
whats up with the rev hang being a problem?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its not in the new cars, the DBW system had fucked up calibration when the new Si's first came out in late 05 and the sedans built in late 06 did too. Its a great thing when it works right, good timed shifts result in no shift fall at all. Comparing the R and Si is apples and oranges, drive both, hard and then make your decision.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by typeR564 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
sit in a si seat then in the R seat...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats funny, both the R and Si seat are narrow and high bolsterd. They are both made by Recaro too.
whats up with the rev hang being a problem?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its not in the new cars, the DBW system had fucked up calibration when the new Si's first came out in late 05 and the sedans built in late 06 did too. Its a great thing when it works right, good timed shifts result in no shift fall at all. Comparing the R and Si is apples and oranges, drive both, hard and then make your decision.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by typeR564 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
sit in a si seat then in the R seat...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats funny, both the R and Si seat are narrow and high bolsterd. They are both made by Recaro too.
09-03-2007, 02:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pa_itr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
All the others are circa 1997 when the ITR was on top of it's game. Now? It's not. It's an obsolete design and obsolete technology. Save for the hardcore fan base who are still drooling over the Type-R name and still believing the hype, everyone has moved on.
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Are you kidding me? That is probably the most uneducated, and lame remark I've heard on this board for a while.
Car enthusiasts, and professionals alike are still coming to the realization of how right Honda was with the DC2-R. There has been a slew of articles from enthusiast magazines THIS YEAR putting the DC2 on top of the front wheel drive market 10 years later. In simple terms, the automotive market has over 10 years to make something that can offer the same performance, feel, and spirit of the ITR, and have failed. What part of this DON'T you understand? There is no hype, only fact. The DC2 ITR has knocked down the best of the best in its class, year after year, new designs and old.
Read this and educate your self:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1770114
That having been said, the new Civic Type R has definitely turned some heads, and IMO would make a worthy successor to the DC2R (even though it is a bastard version of the Type R name full of borrowed parts, lack luster styling, diluted focus, four doors, and a lame pop-culture image). However, the 07 Civic Type R is the ONLY new Civic platform that I would consider being in the same class as the DC2R. This new Si is a totally different car than the ITR, with a different focus. You can't compare the 2.
To the OP ....
If you're looking at the new Si as a step up in performance, you're not going to get it. Christ, you won't even be that much better with an S2K. You've got a very special car right now, so keep it and go lapping.
All the others are circa 1997 when the ITR was on top of it's game. Now? It's not. It's an obsolete design and obsolete technology. Save for the hardcore fan base who are still drooling over the Type-R name and still believing the hype, everyone has moved on.
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Are you kidding me? That is probably the most uneducated, and lame remark I've heard on this board for a while.
Car enthusiasts, and professionals alike are still coming to the realization of how right Honda was with the DC2-R. There has been a slew of articles from enthusiast magazines THIS YEAR putting the DC2 on top of the front wheel drive market 10 years later. In simple terms, the automotive market has over 10 years to make something that can offer the same performance, feel, and spirit of the ITR, and have failed. What part of this DON'T you understand? There is no hype, only fact. The DC2 ITR has knocked down the best of the best in its class, year after year, new designs and old.
Read this and educate your self:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1770114
That having been said, the new Civic Type R has definitely turned some heads, and IMO would make a worthy successor to the DC2R (even though it is a bastard version of the Type R name full of borrowed parts, lack luster styling, diluted focus, four doors, and a lame pop-culture image). However, the 07 Civic Type R is the ONLY new Civic platform that I would consider being in the same class as the DC2R. This new Si is a totally different car than the ITR, with a different focus. You can't compare the 2.
To the OP ....
If you're looking at the new Si as a step up in performance, you're not going to get it. Christ, you won't even be that much better with an S2K. You've got a very special car right now, so keep it and go lapping.
09-03-2007, 02:51 PM
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Re: 2006 civic si vs itr question (typeR564)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by typeR564 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
sit in a si seat then in the R seat...</TD></TR></TABLE>
HAHA...
yeah... it's because of said beer swilling, obese, mullet styling "fat American/Homer Simpson types"....the USDM R was equipped with what you perceive as a superior seat to the Si.
Apart from color, stitching, fabric and a slightly harder seat cushion, it is no different than a seat you would find in an RS/LS/GS/GS-R Integra - which is really lame, considering all other Integra-Rs outside the USDM/CDM received the highly desirable Recaros which many forum members continue to sport.
USDM R seat and typical USDM driver too right?
sit in a si seat then in the R seat...</TD></TR></TABLE>
HAHA...
yeah... it's because of said beer swilling, obese, mullet styling "fat American/Homer Simpson types"....the USDM R was equipped with what you perceive as a superior seat to the Si.
Apart from color, stitching, fabric and a slightly harder seat cushion, it is no different than a seat you would find in an RS/LS/GS/GS-R Integra - which is really lame, considering all other Integra-Rs outside the USDM/CDM received the highly desirable Recaros which many forum members continue to sport.
USDM R seat and typical USDM driver too right?
09-03-2007, 02:54 PM
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Re: (pa_itr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pa_itr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This is about the only good post in this thread. All the others are circa 1997 when the ITR was on top of it's game. Now? It's not. It's an obsolete design and obsolete technology. Save for the hardcore fan base who are still drooling over the Type-R name and still believing the hype, everyone has moved on.
I say take the SI....k-series is lightyears ahead of the b-series no matter what anybody says. It's one thing to still take pride in an ITR, it's quite another to say it's still the top dog or even close to it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Go to Expo 8, I'm sure a few of us won't mind showing you how obsolete the DC2R is.
At least know what you're talking about when you talk clown...
This is about the only good post in this thread. All the others are circa 1997 when the ITR was on top of it's game. Now? It's not. It's an obsolete design and obsolete technology. Save for the hardcore fan base who are still drooling over the Type-R name and still believing the hype, everyone has moved on.
I say take the SI....k-series is lightyears ahead of the b-series no matter what anybody says. It's one thing to still take pride in an ITR, it's quite another to say it's still the top dog or even close to it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Go to Expo 8, I'm sure a few of us won't mind showing you how obsolete the DC2R is.
At least know what you're talking about when you talk clown...
09-03-2007, 03:01 PM
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Re: 2006 civic si vs itr question (typeR564)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by typeR564 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
sit in a si seat then in the R seat...</TD></TR></TABLE>
ive owned both...
sit in a si seat then in the R seat...</TD></TR></TABLE>
ive owned both...
09-03-2007, 03:13 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JjuuN R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Go to Expo 8, I'm sure a few of us won't mind showing you how obsolete the DC2R is.
At least know what you're talking about when you talk clown...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would love to run with an ITR on the track in stock or slightly modified form, They are both high strung cars and if you know how to drive that weight difference doesnt add up to $dick.
Go to Expo 8, I'm sure a few of us won't mind showing you how obsolete the DC2R is.
At least know what you're talking about when you talk clown...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would love to run with an ITR on the track in stock or slightly modified form, They are both high strung cars and if you know how to drive that weight difference doesnt add up to $dick.
09-03-2007, 03:15 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JjuuN R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Go to Expo 8, I'm sure a few of us won't mind showing you how obsolete the DC2R is.
At least know what you're talking about when you talk clown...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Heh.. I think this line from one of his Kill Stories threads *cough* speaks for itself.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pa_itr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We were pulling out onto the main stretch of highway. It was a road that just begged to be raced on. Flat. Straight. Smooth.</TD></TR></TABLE>
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1854746
Go to Expo 8, I'm sure a few of us won't mind showing you how obsolete the DC2R is.
At least know what you're talking about when you talk clown...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Heh.. I think this line from one of his Kill Stories threads *cough* speaks for itself.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pa_itr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We were pulling out onto the main stretch of highway. It was a road that just begged to be raced on. Flat. Straight. Smooth.</TD></TR></TABLE>
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1854746
09-03-2007, 04:30 PM
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Re: 2006 civic si vs itr question (RagingAngel)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RagingAngel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Apart from color, stitching, fabric and a slightly harder seat cushion, it is no different than a seat you would find in an RS/LS/GS/GS-R Integra - which is really lame, considering all other Integra-Rs outside the USDM/CDM received the highly desirable Recaros which many forum members continue to sport.
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Actually, the USDM ITR seat is actually designed to be softer in the bottom cushion area because the suspension on the ITR was stiffer than the other Integras. I forget where I originally saw this, but it's in Acura literature somewhere...
However, sit in a GSR seat then an ITR seat and you'll see what I mean.
Apart from color, stitching, fabric and a slightly harder seat cushion, it is no different than a seat you would find in an RS/LS/GS/GS-R Integra - which is really lame, considering all other Integra-Rs outside the USDM/CDM received the highly desirable Recaros which many forum members continue to sport.
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Actually, the USDM ITR seat is actually designed to be softer in the bottom cushion area because the suspension on the ITR was stiffer than the other Integras. I forget where I originally saw this, but it's in Acura literature somewhere...
However, sit in a GSR seat then an ITR seat and you'll see what I mean.
09-03-2007, 05:56 PM
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No one feelings are close to being hurt like you'd like them to be, how would some ignorant bullshit you say hurt anyone's feelings? We, or at least I, sit back and laugh at uneducated idiots like you. For owning one for 3 years, you sure are... NVM, run along and go street race, run back on HT to come post up about it...
09-03-2007, 05:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pa_itr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I figured all your feelings would be hurt....I owned a type-R for 3 years...I used to be the same way. 
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OK then, what FF car made today is a superior car and design to the ITR?
Just because the K has more potential doesn't mean that potential can be used. I've yet to see that motor put in a chassis that is even remotely close to the ITR and its double-wishbone.
If you really think the new Si is even in the same category, you're well off the mark. It's heavy and the suspension design is far inferior to the DC2 platform.
</TD></TR></TABLE>OK then, what FF car made today is a superior car and design to the ITR?
Just because the K has more potential doesn't mean that potential can be used. I've yet to see that motor put in a chassis that is even remotely close to the ITR and its double-wishbone.
If you really think the new Si is even in the same category, you're well off the mark. It's heavy and the suspension design is far inferior to the DC2 platform.
09-03-2007, 06:27 PM
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the FG is a more drivable car, but i thought a drivable car was the significant others/parents cars job.
but the ITR is a more fun to drive car...
doesnt come in 4 doors.
doesnt have factory warranty.
is over 10 years old.
gets followed home and attracts all sorts of attention.
isnt as reliable.
not NEARLY as luxurious.
no factory navi option.
etc....
but if you buy a new SI you wont be able to play "guess that rattle"
"who is behind me because my wing COMPLETELY blocks the vehicle driving in my rear view mirror."
and
funny responses to "is that real?!?!" questions.
and to the people arguing on which is faster, handles better. has better technology suspension design etc.....
i wont argue with which is faster.
but i will say, which is more FUN to drive?
i say my type R.
some other people might say the FG.
if your getting something to be the fastest. are you REALLY getting the car for yourself?
but the new SI cluster is totally FTW...
but the ITR is a more fun to drive car...
doesnt come in 4 doors.
doesnt have factory warranty.
is over 10 years old.
gets followed home and attracts all sorts of attention.
isnt as reliable.
not NEARLY as luxurious.
no factory navi option.
etc....
but if you buy a new SI you wont be able to play "guess that rattle"
"who is behind me because my wing COMPLETELY blocks the vehicle driving in my rear view mirror."
and
funny responses to "is that real?!?!" questions.
and to the people arguing on which is faster, handles better. has better technology suspension design etc.....
i wont argue with which is faster.
but i will say, which is more FUN to drive?
i say my type R.
some other people might say the FG.
if your getting something to be the fastest. are you REALLY getting the car for yourself?
but the new SI cluster is totally FTW...
09-03-2007, 06:58 PM
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as far as "old" technology goes, I'm still driving the crap out of my '88 CRX with b16 (same as an SiR, only homemade) and I LOVE that car. Age doesn't seem to matter how good a car is. IMO.
and the R is still amazing, no matter what. For years to come they will be testing NEW cars against OLD itr's. And I have to bet that the R will still be leaps and bounds ahead of the competition for years to come.
I think that the only REAL advantage to owning an Si over an ITR is that it's brand new, warrantied, and less of a target (for now anyway... who knows how many Si's are gonna be ganked in a couple years?) From a driving standpoint, I think the R still owns it.
BTW, in the Roadfly video, did anyone notice the guy doesn't really know what he's talking about? "At 6500 it switches over to a completely different set of camshafts...." (cause there is like, what..., 4 pair in there or something? LOL)
and the R is still amazing, no matter what. For years to come they will be testing NEW cars against OLD itr's. And I have to bet that the R will still be leaps and bounds ahead of the competition for years to come.
I think that the only REAL advantage to owning an Si over an ITR is that it's brand new, warrantied, and less of a target (for now anyway... who knows how many Si's are gonna be ganked in a couple years?) From a driving standpoint, I think the R still owns it.
BTW, in the Roadfly video, did anyone notice the guy doesn't really know what he's talking about? "At 6500 it switches over to a completely different set of camshafts...." (cause there is like, what..., 4 pair in there or something? LOL)
09-03-2007, 07:09 PM
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CRX > * 2007 Civic Si Sedan
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09-03-2007, 07:58 PM
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Re: 2006 civic si vs itr question (Todd00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Actually, the USDM ITR seat is actually designed to be softer in the bottom cushion area because the suspension on the ITR was stiffer than the other Integras. I forget where I originally saw this, but it's in Acura literature somewhere...
However, sit in a GSR seat then an ITR seat and you'll see what I mean.</TD></TR></TABLE>
for me... I was typing too fast and ahead of myself... good eye for the correction...
Actually, the USDM ITR seat is actually designed to be softer in the bottom cushion area because the suspension on the ITR was stiffer than the other Integras. I forget where I originally saw this, but it's in Acura literature somewhere...
However, sit in a GSR seat then an ITR seat and you'll see what I mean.</TD></TR></TABLE>
for me... I was typing too fast and ahead of myself... good eye for the correction...
09-03-2007, 08:27 PM
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Re: 2006 civic si vs itr question (itr1244)
new si is like cool for your girlfriend. other than that..it doesnt compare to the DC2.
09-04-2007, 12:25 AM
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Re: 2006 civic si vs itr question (4F_HANS)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4F_HANS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">new si is like cool for your girlfriend. other than that..it doesnt compare to the DC2.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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