is there anyway to lower temperature?
11-29-2006, 04:36 AM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (CW_98gsr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_98gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the cooler the engine, the better the response it will give
my compression is about 11.5:1 or close to it, maybe higher.
read this thread
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1815380</TD></TR></TABLE>
If that's the impression that you're under and the reason that you're trying to do this, you're going to be disappointed by the results.
the cooler the engine, the better the response it will give
my compression is about 11.5:1 or close to it, maybe higher.
read this thread
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1815380</TD></TR></TABLE>
If that's the impression that you're under and the reason that you're trying to do this, you're going to be disappointed by the results.
11-29-2006, 05:21 AM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (CW_98gsr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_98gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
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That's where my needle sits ALL the time, at the white arrow. That is normal.
At one time it was was sitting down around the red arrow... when the thermostat was stuck open. Ever since I replaced my radiator and thermostat, over 2 1/2 years ago, with a new Honda OEM thermostat (actually one from a 99-00 Civic Si) the needle stays just below half, no matter if I'm driving, stopped idling, whatever. I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you.
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That's where my needle sits ALL the time, at the white arrow. That is normal.
At one time it was was sitting down around the red arrow... when the thermostat was stuck open. Ever since I replaced my radiator and thermostat, over 2 1/2 years ago, with a new Honda OEM thermostat (actually one from a 99-00 Civic Si) the needle stays just below half, no matter if I'm driving, stopped idling, whatever. I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you.
11-29-2006, 07:01 AM
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Re: (Swiftstar)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Swiftstar »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">seems kinda high to me. mine Sits where the Red line is. </TD></TR></TABLE>
As long as it stays below half, and doesn't creep up when the car is sitting idling, then it's fine.
Unless it takes a VERY long time (more than 5 minutes of driving) for the needle to get off of cold in the morning, then the thermostat is stuck open.
As long as it stays below half, and doesn't creep up when the car is sitting idling, then it's fine.
Unless it takes a VERY long time (more than 5 minutes of driving) for the needle to get off of cold in the morning, then the thermostat is stuck open.
11-29-2006, 09:44 AM
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Re: (TOO MUCH TORQUE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TOO MUCH TORQUE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theres this amsoil engine cleaner that helps clean your engine and reduce temps. Theres an amsoil rep here too that tested himself as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sure that's for oil temperatures, not coolant temps.
I'm sure that's for oil temperatures, not coolant temps.
11-29-2006, 09:50 AM
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be wearry of the temp ratings of the thermostat from autozone and such parts store... there will always be a degree number on the thermostat telling you when it opens(im sure of it. if it donest have it its not a quality piece)...
last time i iwent to go buy a thermostat from auto, i compared to different temps they had and all were rated at the same temperature(just labeld differently and low,medium, and high... so go figure.
last time i iwent to go buy a thermostat from auto, i compared to different temps they had and all were rated at the same temperature(just labeld differently and low,medium, and high... so go figure.
11-29-2006, 11:20 AM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (Padawan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Padawan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If that's the impression that you're under and the reason that you're trying to do this, you're going to be disappointed by the results.</TD></TR></TABLE>
when it's warming up in the mornings, i drive off when its a quarter of the way there, and i feel a much greater difference...like i said, the car before was much better when the temp was at about 25%, now (40%) i feel like the car is hot and it just feels like it lags, so yes, i want my temp to lower...
bottom line is
everytime im warming up the car the higher the needle the higher the power loss
If that's the impression that you're under and the reason that you're trying to do this, you're going to be disappointed by the results.</TD></TR></TABLE>
when it's warming up in the mornings, i drive off when its a quarter of the way there, and i feel a much greater difference...like i said, the car before was much better when the temp was at about 25%, now (40%) i feel like the car is hot and it just feels like it lags, so yes, i want my temp to lower...
bottom line is
everytime im warming up the car the higher the needle the higher the power loss
11-29-2006, 11:22 AM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (CW_98gsr)
oh and to point something out, the old t-stat was stuck open, not alot but it was open.
and i changed the radiator, so what can it be?...either the t-stat, radiator?...
and i changed the radiator, so what can it be?...either the t-stat, radiator?...
11-29-2006, 11:23 AM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (CW_98gsr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_98gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
when it's warming up in the mornings, i drive off when its a quarter of the way there, and i feel a much greater difference...like i said, the car before was much better when the temp was at about 25%, now (40%) i feel like the car is hot and it just feels like it lags, so yes, i want my temp to lower...
bottom line is
everytime im warming up the car the higher the needle the higher the power loss</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. How would having your coolant temperatures lower than normal increase power? If the car operated more efficiently or made more power with a lower coolant temperature, Honda would have used a different thermostat.
when it's warming up in the mornings, i drive off when its a quarter of the way there, and i feel a much greater difference...like i said, the car before was much better when the temp was at about 25%, now (40%) i feel like the car is hot and it just feels like it lags, so yes, i want my temp to lower...
bottom line is
everytime im warming up the car the higher the needle the higher the power loss</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. How would having your coolant temperatures lower than normal increase power? If the car operated more efficiently or made more power with a lower coolant temperature, Honda would have used a different thermostat.
11-29-2006, 11:43 AM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (Padawan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Padawan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. How would having your coolant temperatures lower than normal increase power? If the car operated more efficiently or made more power with a lower coolant temperature, Honda would have used a different thermostat. </TD></TR></TABLE>
you should read this thread more thoughouly...my compression is a little high, it in the border line of 91 octane, when the temperature went higher than normal, it would start to ping, ok so i had to lower the timing from the dizzy, ok so now it feels like crap, and even if i were to advance timing a little it will feel like crap...so like i said, read carefully before posting a comment, thanks
I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. How would having your coolant temperatures lower than normal increase power? If the car operated more efficiently or made more power with a lower coolant temperature, Honda would have used a different thermostat. </TD></TR></TABLE>
you should read this thread more thoughouly...my compression is a little high, it in the border line of 91 octane, when the temperature went higher than normal, it would start to ping, ok so i had to lower the timing from the dizzy, ok so now it feels like crap, and even if i were to advance timing a little it will feel like crap...so like i said, read carefully before posting a comment, thanks
11-29-2006, 12:24 PM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (CW_98gsr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_98gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you should read this thread more thoughouly...my compression is a little high, it in the border line of 91 octane, when the temperature went higher than normal, it would start to ping, ok so i had to lower the timing from the dizzy, ok so now it feels like crap, and even if i were to advance timing a little it will feel like crap...so like i said, read carefully before posting a comment, thanks </TD></TR></TABLE>
I did read the thread "thoughouly". Apparently you want to lower your coolant temperature in some vain attempt to make up for poor tuning. Sounds like a good plan. Best of luck with that.
you should read this thread more thoughouly...my compression is a little high, it in the border line of 91 octane, when the temperature went higher than normal, it would start to ping, ok so i had to lower the timing from the dizzy, ok so now it feels like crap, and even if i were to advance timing a little it will feel like crap...so like i said, read carefully before posting a comment, thanks
</TD></TR></TABLE>I did read the thread "thoughouly". Apparently you want to lower your coolant temperature in some vain attempt to make up for poor tuning. Sounds like a good plan. Best of luck with that.
11-29-2006, 12:31 PM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (Padawan)
Oh, and here's another plan to try when you discover that yours is ill-conceived. Get your cooling system in good working order. Entirely flush it, and make sure your thermostat and fan switch are both correct and functioning. Then, actually have your setup tuned properly for the fuel you are using.
11-29-2006, 01:08 PM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (Padawan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Padawan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I did read the thread "thoroughly". Apparently you want to lower your coolant temperature in some vain attempt to make up for poor tuning. Sounds like a good plan. Best of luck with that. </TD></TR></TABLE>
poor tuning?...WTF makes you think my **** is poor tuned?..look! i just want to know how to lower coolant temperature, ok?...ok cool
now, i flushed the whole system, radiator and motor, "thoroughly" but it's the new thermostat that i changed that made the temp rise a little to i guess "normal". but im going to have to figure out a way to lower the temp SOMEHOW!..
I did read the thread "thoroughly". Apparently you want to lower your coolant temperature in some vain attempt to make up for poor tuning. Sounds like a good plan. Best of luck with that.
</TD></TR></TABLE>poor tuning?...WTF makes you think my **** is poor tuned?..look! i just want to know how to lower coolant temperature, ok?...ok cool
now, i flushed the whole system, radiator and motor, "thoroughly" but it's the new thermostat that i changed that made the temp rise a little to i guess "normal". but im going to have to figure out a way to lower the temp SOMEHOW!..
11-29-2006, 01:10 PM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (Padawan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Padawan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh, and here's another plan to try when you discover that yours is ill-conceived. Get your cooling system in good working order. Entirely flush it, and make sure your thermostat and fan switch are both correct and functioning. Then, actually have your setup tuned properly for the fuel you are using. </TD></TR></TABLE>
oh and yes, tuning was done already, but it was tuned when the temp was at 150ish or so, ok now it was cool there, but now since the temperature is not the same than before..i had to retard timing a bit for it not to ping...
oh and yes, tuning was done already, but it was tuned when the temp was at 150ish or so, ok now it was cool there, but now since the temperature is not the same than before..i had to retard timing a bit for it not to ping...
11-29-2006, 01:20 PM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (CW_98gsr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_98gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">poor tuning?...WTF makes you think my **** is poor tuned?..look! i just want to know how to lower coolant temperature, ok?...ok cool</TD></TR></TABLE>
Perhaps the fact that you stated it would "ping" so you had to retard the base timing, and that it now "feels like crap". Or the fact that it's "idling very weird", or "feels very slow". Since my statement seems to have offended you, what sort of tuning has been done with this 11.5:1+ setup, and with what device? What does your tuner think about the fact that it's detonating and not running correctly?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_98gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now, i flushed the whole system, radiator and motor, "thoroughly" but it's the new thermostat that i changed that made the temp rise a little to i guess "normal". but im going to have to figure out a way to lower the temp SOMEHOW!..</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you want the temperature lower, and your new thermostat is causing it to run hotter, replace it with a lower-temp thermostat. What's the mystery here?
Perhaps the fact that you stated it would "ping" so you had to retard the base timing, and that it now "feels like crap". Or the fact that it's "idling very weird", or "feels very slow". Since my statement seems to have offended you, what sort of tuning has been done with this 11.5:1+ setup, and with what device? What does your tuner think about the fact that it's detonating and not running correctly?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_98gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now, i flushed the whole system, radiator and motor, "thoroughly" but it's the new thermostat that i changed that made the temp rise a little to i guess "normal". but im going to have to figure out a way to lower the temp SOMEHOW!..</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you want the temperature lower, and your new thermostat is causing it to run hotter, replace it with a lower-temp thermostat. What's the mystery here?
11-29-2006, 01:48 PM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (Padawan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Padawan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Perhaps the fact that you stated it would "ping" so you had to retard the base timing, and that it now "feels like crap". Or the fact that it's "idling very weird", or "feels very slow". Since my statement seems to have offended you, what sort of tuning has been done with this 11.5:1+ setup, and with what device? What does your tuner think about the fact that it's detonating and not running correctly?
If you want the temperature lower, and your new thermostat is causing it to run hotter, replace it with a lower-temp thermostat. What's the mystery here?
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was built by south gate auto, CTR pistons and .056 mm HG, now the compression showed 11.5:1 now we did everything for it to run 91, retarded the timing just a tad bit, and #7 spark plugs, and so on, (forgot what else), now the temp rose so now we retarded timing UNTIL the temp will go down,(all of this little tuning is until i get my hands on a hondata and money for tuning with bubba).. ok so i just want to lower the temp.
Perhaps the fact that you stated it would "ping" so you had to retard the base timing, and that it now "feels like crap". Or the fact that it's "idling very weird", or "feels very slow". Since my statement seems to have offended you, what sort of tuning has been done with this 11.5:1+ setup, and with what device? What does your tuner think about the fact that it's detonating and not running correctly?
If you want the temperature lower, and your new thermostat is causing it to run hotter, replace it with a lower-temp thermostat. What's the mystery here?
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was built by south gate auto, CTR pistons and .056 mm HG, now the compression showed 11.5:1 now we did everything for it to run 91, retarded the timing just a tad bit, and #7 spark plugs, and so on, (forgot what else), now the temp rose so now we retarded timing UNTIL the temp will go down,(all of this little tuning is until i get my hands on a hondata and money for tuning with bubba).. ok so i just want to lower the temp.
11-29-2006, 02:55 PM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (CW_98gsr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_98gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">was built by south gate auto, CTR pistons and .056 mm HG, now the compression showed 11.5:1 now we did everything for it to run 91, retarded the timing just a tad bit, and #7 spark plugs, and so on, (forgot what else)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Still doesn't mention how the car is being tuned, and since you've resorted to retarding the base timing at the distributor, I'd imagine it's not a very advanced device (if any). Since you state that you are waiting to tune with Hondata, my statement that the setup is currently not properly tuned was presumably correct.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_98gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ok so i just want to lower the temp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Again, I've given you the answer. If your current thermostat is resulting in coolant temperatures that you deem too high (regardless of the reasoning), replace it with a thermostat that will open at a lower temperature. It's as simple as that.
Still doesn't mention how the car is being tuned, and since you've resorted to retarding the base timing at the distributor, I'd imagine it's not a very advanced device (if any). Since you state that you are waiting to tune with Hondata, my statement that the setup is currently not properly tuned was presumably correct.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CW_98gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ok so i just want to lower the temp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Again, I've given you the answer. If your current thermostat is resulting in coolant temperatures that you deem too high (regardless of the reasoning), replace it with a thermostat that will open at a lower temperature. It's as simple as that.
11-29-2006, 02:57 PM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (Padawan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Padawan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Perhaps the fact that you stated it would "ping" so you had to retard the base timing, and that it now "feels like crap". Or the fact that it's "idling very weird", or "feels very slow". Since my statement seems to have offended you, what sort of tuning has been done with this 11.5:1+ setup, and with what device? What does your tuner think about the fact that it's detonating and not running correctly?
If you want the temperature lower, and your new thermostat is causing it to run hotter, replace it with a lower-temp thermostat. What's the mystery here?</TD></TR></TABLE>
and and
I've tuned a 11.0:1 setup without "modifying" the coolant system......that's a pretty lame excuse unless i read otherwise.
Something is not right with the tuning IMO. If the car drives fine before reaching operationla temps, then you are still in the cold start mode (getting more fuel). Show me a dyno graph with AFR's and maybe a timing map so we can easly rule out tuning.....then we'll get off your back about the tuning issue. It's as easy as that.
As far as a coolant based answer Padawan said it, get a lower temp thermo....that's not hard
Perhaps the fact that you stated it would "ping" so you had to retard the base timing, and that it now "feels like crap". Or the fact that it's "idling very weird", or "feels very slow". Since my statement seems to have offended you, what sort of tuning has been done with this 11.5:1+ setup, and with what device? What does your tuner think about the fact that it's detonating and not running correctly?
If you want the temperature lower, and your new thermostat is causing it to run hotter, replace it with a lower-temp thermostat. What's the mystery here?</TD></TR></TABLE>
and and I've tuned a 11.0:1 setup without "modifying" the coolant system......that's a pretty lame excuse unless i read otherwise.
Something is not right with the tuning IMO. If the car drives fine before reaching operationla temps, then you are still in the cold start mode (getting more fuel). Show me a dyno graph with AFR's and maybe a timing map so we can easly rule out tuning.....then we'll get off your back about the tuning issue. It's as easy as that.
As far as a coolant based answer Padawan said it, get a lower temp thermo....that's not hard
11-29-2006, 03:18 PM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (adseguy)
Pinging doesn't happen because your coolant temp is high (which yours is not). If you're getting pinging you better get the car to a person that knows tuning and get it properly tuned. That is a problem in the combustion chamber not in the coolant.
You fixed the old problem and now the car is running the way it was ment to run. If you're getting pinging you're going about this all wrong.
he motor needs to run at the temperature the factory set it for. If you're looking for more power in cooling do something with the intake temps.
Oil needs to remain at a minimun temp for proper lubrication anyways.
You fixed the old problem and now the car is running the way it was ment to run. If you're getting pinging you're going about this all wrong.
he motor needs to run at the temperature the factory set it for. If you're looking for more power in cooling do something with the intake temps.
Oil needs to remain at a minimun temp for proper lubrication anyways.
11-29-2006, 03:30 PM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (dvp)
i bought a low temperature thermostat already, so my main question is...why since i bought my car like 2 years ago until like a month ago, the needle was at 25%..and now why is it at 40%?..i don't get it
and again, it's pinging because the temperature of the motor is slightly higher than before, making the combustion chamber couple degrees hotter so when gas is injected in the CC it pre-ignites
and again, it's pinging because the temperature of the motor is slightly higher than before, making the combustion chamber couple degrees hotter so when gas is injected in the CC it pre-ignites
11-29-2006, 04:46 PM
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Re: is there anyway to lower temperature? (CW_98gsr)
You said your thermostat was stuck open...so now your car is running the way it was ment to run.
The temperatures in the combustion camber are way hotter than the coolant. I don't see the coolant making a difference in the combustion chamber. It is possible if you had the car tuned while the thermo was stuck open that there might be a slight change in overall temperatures but I seriously doubt it. I would at least as your tuner about it.
The temperatures in the combustion camber are way hotter than the coolant. I don't see the coolant making a difference in the combustion chamber. It is possible if you had the car tuned while the thermo was stuck open that there might be a slight change in overall temperatures but I seriously doubt it. I would at least as your tuner about it.
