jDM_STyLe_Dc2

--i have searched but no one has answered the question im looking for--

so i get popped for doing 60 on a 45 downhill ..cops says pop ur hood and sees my apexi intake (not carb legal) he asks if i have the sticker, i say no..he says i cant have that...i have RS*R jdm b16 headers ("jasma")..says i cant have that cuz no carb #...says my espelier exhaust is too loud...so he basically gets me for speeding, modified exhaust and altered emissions and that i must go to the state ref cuz my car is not "safe" for public roads..wtf!!

i searched and most people who got ref tickets have swaps (doesnt apply to me)..n most people say that u must put it back to stock b4 you take it in order to pass

my question is..if i put it back to stock and get bar'd will i be able to modify it again and not get hassled cuz i have a bar'd sticker?..or do i have to leave on the mods n take it to see if it passes

also..if u do get a bar sticker, do u have to get a new one everytime u add something?

thanks for the input



Modified by jDM_STyLe_Dc2 at 4:15 PM 12/19/2007

tweek_boii

i am interested in this
i have an intake and it has a stikie with numbers
i have dc headers with numbers
so pretty much loud exhausts are illegal now?

jDM_STyLe_Dc2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tweek_boii &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am interested in this
i have an intake and it has a stikie with numbers
i have dc headers with numbers
so pretty much loud exhausts are illegal now?</TD></TR></TABLE>

they have always been...it must be in 92db (i think) for it to be legal

anyone else care to take a shot at giving me some answers

Adambomb

For the Exhaust question, here's a quote about the DB limit:

"California law requires that all vehicles must be equipped with an adequate muffler to prevent excessive noise from the exhaust system. It also prohibits the operation of a passenger vehicle (other than a motorcycle), or a truck with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of less than 6,000 pounds, that has an exhaust noise level greater than 95 decibels, when tested under specified conditions."

So looks like that's the limit, 95 DB.

As for the ref ticket, yes you can revert back to stock to pass the ref. As for putting everything back in afterwards, and not being hit with a ref ticket again, it's my understanding that if a cop does pop your hood, and see's all the "illegal" parts, then they can hit you with another ref ticket. Again, this is from what I understand, if anyone has a definite answer, then please feel free to correct me.

I know it sucks, but it's just what we get for living in the wonderful state of California.

ooopseyesharted

Damn!!!!!
I am glad I live in florida....thats a bunch of bullshit right there

JRSC01GS-R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jDM_STyLe_Dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i searched and most people who got ref tickets have swaps (doesnt apply to me)..n most people say that u must put it back to stock b4 you take it in order to pass

my question is..if i put it back to stock and get bar'd will i be able to modify it again and not get hassled cuz i have a bar'd sticker?..or do i have to leave on the mods n take it to see if it passes

also..if u do get a bar sticker, do u have to get a new one everytime u add something?

thanks for the input </TD></TR></TABLE>

you have two options, take off intake, header and exhaust, take it to ref, any parts u have on must have carb #'s for your car other wise it has to be stock, or just wait for the ticket to come in the mail and just pay it.

either way if you put your parts back on and get pulled over again they can pop your hood and cite your for any violations. I know ppl who have been cited 3 or 4 times for the same thing and they just pay the ticket every time

.xcalibur.

The ref will only accept OEM parts or parts with CARB numbers. If not, then you automatically fail the visual and have to come back.
If the motor in your car is the stock motor, then you do not have to get BAR'd. Passing BAR is for people with swaps.
After you pass the ref, you can put your aftermarket parts back on. But if you get caught with another emissions violation again within 3 years, the severity of the ticket increases. Probably resulting in a larger fine than the first time.
And of course you can just pay the ticket when it comes in the mail.

When i was sent to the ref for having an adjustable FPR, the fine on the ticket was $300 if i wanted to avoid the ref. No way I was gonna pay that when it takes 30 seconds to swap on the stock one. So you may want to see if its cheaper/better/easier to pay the fine, or convert back to stock. Im not sure if the Ref charged me for a smog check as well.

HypnotikEFX

The red will not be giving you a sticker for your door or any sticker in fact.
Skip ref and pay the big fine around $200-300,.
or convert to stock, get ref'd, pay the court fee $10.

all-mtr-teg

Damn, fine is $380 now in my county.

.xcalibur.

I think they charge you for a smog check since that what it is really. Were you only charged $10 fred?

lmike6453

do i have to worry about anything for living in pa? searched for law specifics and cannot find

jDM_STyLe_Dc2

Thanks for the input guys ..cleared some questions

so there is really no way of getting away with putting mods to ur car unless they are all carb legal?...wat about internals? e.i cams..how will that affect passing of the smog test?

also do u guys think that i my "jasma" headers will pass visual and or smog test since they were stock to a similar engine at one point?

yc_dc4mar

my cousin got a ref ticket. itr motor in a gsr, adj cam gears, intake(but it had a carb sticker and cop didnt care) headers, exhaust too loud, ignition, and too low. sucked big time. but he recked the car b4 the ref ticket so he was off i guess. parted out the car and sold it all.

jDM_STyLe_Dc2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yc_dc4mar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my cousin got a ref ticket. itr motor in a gsr, adj cam gears, intake(but it had a carb sticker and cop didnt care) headers, exhaust too loud, ignition, and too low. sucked big time. but he recked the car b4 the ref ticket so he was off i guess. parted out the car and sold it all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

got off easy i guess sucks mang

did he still have to pay the ticket fine?

esponet

as far as internal mods, well the cops or the ref cannot see those, so unles you tell them about it then no one will know.
BUT, keep in mind, the ref or any smog check station will put your car on a load and sniff the exhaust, so internal mods only go so far till you start affecting tail pipe emissions, after that you will fail still.

yc_dc4mar

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got off easy i guess sucks mang

did he still have to pay the ticket fine?</TD></TR></TABLE>

nope. he did get off lucky. but his car was clean as ****!
jdm front/hid
rsx sand pearl or something like that
red s2k leather seats.
jdm itr motor/tranny with fully built head. alot of goodies in that car.
i was sad to see it go
its funny he's had tons of cars that were so clean. hes never satisfied.

all-mtr-teg

$30 for the inspection, but if you failed the 1st time, second inspection was free.

Adambomb

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jDM_STyLe_Dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for the input guys ..cleared some questions

so there is really no way of getting away with putting mods to ur car unless they are all carb legal?...wat about internals? e.i cams..how will that affect passing of the smog test?
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The only way I know of to legally get away without smog, is to have family/someone you know that lives out of state, and register your car in that state which doesn't have smog laws.

As for the carb legality, I'm not too sure on that.

all-mtr-teg

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Adambomb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The only way I know of to legally get away without smog, is to have family/someone you know that lives out of state, and register your car in that state which doesn't have smog laws.
As for the carb legality, I'm not too sure on that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That won't be any help, even if the car is registered in another state w/o smog inspections, he's still driving it here in CA. If he gets pulled over here in CA he has to abide by CA rules and he will still get a ticket for modified emissions. Haven't you seen the numerous threads of people from out of state getting tickets for their car's exhaust,turbos, etc. here in CA while on vacation?

jDM_STyLe_Dc2

has anyone ever passed smog with cams?

NuclearB18B

i am so happy that i do not live in ca...

.xcalibur.

Some aftermarket cams will pass smog. But if ita anything past a stage 1, then i wouldnt even try. Your Jasma headers will not pass. You're only options are: if it does not have a carb number, swap on the stock part or pay the fine if its too much work like an entire motor swap. Simple things such as intake, header, and exhaust can be swapped out in about an hour.

jDM_STyLe_Dc2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .xcalibur. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Some aftermarket cams will pass smog. But if ita anything past a stage 1, then i wouldnt even try. Your Jasma headers will not pass. You're only options are: if it does not have a carb number, swap on the stock part or pay the fine if its too much work like an entire motor swap. Simple things such as intake, header, and exhaust can be swapped out in about an hour.</TD></TR></TABLE>

aint that a bitch!...thanks everyone for their $.02

if anyone else has more insight on this please chime in

Adambomb

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by all-mtr-teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That won't be any help, even if the car is registered in another state w/o smog inspections, he's still driving it here in CA. If he gets pulled over here in CA he has to abide by CA rules and he will still get a ticket for modified emissions. Haven't you seen the numerous threads of people from out of state getting tickets for their car's exhaust,turbos, etc. here in CA while on vacation?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, I've heard of that happening to people. It's kind of retarded the rules would still apply, seeing how if you're only down here for 2 days to visit friends/and such, they expect you to convert to CA standards.

JRSC01GS-R

jdm itr header with both heatshields in place will pass smog even though it doesnt have carb #'s