JDM B16 vs. USDM B18C1
08-23-2003, 09:12 PM
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JDM B16 vs. USDM B18C1
Here is what I know:
B18C1:
170hp with 124tq
1.8L
JDM B16
170hp with ???tq
1.6L
LSD trans
Here is the question...with the same car and driver will the JDM B16 run close to the same times as the B18C1? I ask this out of curiosity because a JDM B16 can be had for about $1,000 less then a B18C1. Also I have a friend who is putting one of these in his Civic and I was curious as to how it would perform. Anyone have any experiance with this topic?
Thanks
B18C1:
170hp with 124tq
1.8L
JDM B16
170hp with ???tq
1.6L
LSD trans
Here is the question...with the same car and driver will the JDM B16 run close to the same times as the B18C1? I ask this out of curiosity because a JDM B16 can be had for about $1,000 less then a B18C1. Also I have a friend who is putting one of these in his Civic and I was curious as to how it would perform. Anyone have any experiance with this topic?
Thanks
08-23-2003, 09:17 PM
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The JDM B16 is set up to run on 100RON fuel, and so running it on regular 92 will possibly lose up to 10bhp leaving it with less power and torque. I'd imagine the B18C1 would have the advantage as it has more power/torque straight out of the box
08-23-2003, 09:19 PM
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Re: (mugenracer)
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What do you mean?
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08-23-2003, 09:22 PM
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Re: (arizsun21)
My integra had a usdm gsr motor and now I have a JDM b16. The Gsr was wayyy faster. I had to put in the b16 cus i belw my gsr motor, and I needed to drive it while i build up a new motor. The b16 just doenst have the tq to pull a integra.
08-23-2003, 09:46 PM
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Re: (deepgreengsr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by deepgreengsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My integra had a usdm gsr motor and now I have a JDM b16. The Gsr was wayyy faster. I had to put in the b16 cus i belw my gsr motor, and I needed to drive it while i build up a new motor. The b16 just doenst have the tq to pull a integra. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i agree on this. now if you had a EF, then the b16 would be fine.
i agree on this. now if you had a EF, then the b16 would be fine.
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08-24-2003, 09:09 AM
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Re: (deepgreengsr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by deepgreengsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My integra had a usdm gsr motor and now I have a JDM b16. The Gsr was wayyy faster. I had to put in the b16 cus i belw my gsr motor, and I needed to drive it while i build up a new motor. The b16 just doenst have the tq to pull a integra. </TD></TR></TABLE>
This sums it up, there is no 'replacement for displacement' (and you've heard this countless times, but theres no way of getting around this). There simply isnt enough torque to pull a heavy *** integra.
Plus, that JDM motor is meant for 97+ RON fuel.
This sums it up, there is no 'replacement for displacement' (and you've heard this countless times, but theres no way of getting around this). There simply isnt enough torque to pull a heavy *** integra.
Plus, that JDM motor is meant for 97+ RON fuel.
08-24-2003, 10:00 AM
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This sums it up, there is no 'replacement for displacement' (and you've heard this countless times, but theres no way of getting around this). There simply isnt enough torque to pull a heavy *** integra.
this is some what true
the b16 is slower than a gsr
but it is still a good amount faster than a ls even though the ls has more displacement.
This sums it up, there is no 'replacement for displacement' (and you've heard this countless times, but theres no way of getting around this). There simply isnt enough torque to pull a heavy *** integra.
this is some what true
the b16 is slower than a gsr
but it is still a good amount faster than a ls even though the ls has more displacement.
08-24-2003, 10:13 AM
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Re: (riceball777)
id think because its a 1.6 not a 1.8 the tq will be significantly lower, and you would have a HUGE difference in low rpm driving
remember...the b16 is for the much lighter ctr
remember...the b16 is for the much lighter ctr
08-25-2003, 06:42 AM
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Re: JDM B16 vs. USDM B18C1 (arizsun21)
I believe the specs on the B16 are 170hp, 111 Tq.
The JDM B16 is 10.4 vs the USDM B16 10.2
The 170/111 specs should be valid on 92 octane fuel.
The JDM B16 is 10.4 vs the USDM B16 10.2
The 170/111 specs should be valid on 92 octane fuel.
08-25-2003, 09:31 PM
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Re: JDM B16 vs. USDM B18C1 (2camsaam)
I am the guy who ArizunSHIT21 is talking about. I know im going to beat him becuase unlike his car, mines will not be STOCK. all he is going by is just a STOCK SI and GSR. But like i said i know im going to beat him because my car wont be STOCK and his will.
08-25-2003, 10:01 PM
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Re: JDM B16 vs. USDM B18C1 (arizsun21)
Hey I know for a fact that the JDM B16 will not compare to the USDM B18C1 STOCK!!
My friend has a gutted CRX and has a JDM B16 (which isn't stock now) but when he got it it was still slower than my car, I have a 1998 Acura Integra GSR. We both had the same mods, Intake and Exhuast thats it. My car ran a 14.9 at the track with nothing gutted stock weight no weight reduction, his car ran a 15.2 as his best time.
Now on the other hand he has alot more modifications to the engine and is now looking at mid 14's don't have proof yet though.
He made the mistake of getting the JDM B16 instead of doing what he is doing now which is swapping that motor out now for a JDM B18C5. Now this is significantly better than both motors. But don't make the mistake of getting the B16 then ending up getting the B18 like my friend unless your planning on rebuilding the entire motor or going all motor because the motor does have potential. After all the JDM B16 head is awesome, you can always changed the displacement in the bottom end but again this all comes down to money. Don't make the mistake of getting something you feel you won't be satisfied with. Its worth saving the extra money for!!!!!
My friend has a gutted CRX and has a JDM B16 (which isn't stock now) but when he got it it was still slower than my car, I have a 1998 Acura Integra GSR. We both had the same mods, Intake and Exhuast thats it. My car ran a 14.9 at the track with nothing gutted stock weight no weight reduction, his car ran a 15.2 as his best time.
Now on the other hand he has alot more modifications to the engine and is now looking at mid 14's don't have proof yet though.
He made the mistake of getting the JDM B16 instead of doing what he is doing now which is swapping that motor out now for a JDM B18C5. Now this is significantly better than both motors. But don't make the mistake of getting the B16 then ending up getting the B18 like my friend unless your planning on rebuilding the entire motor or going all motor because the motor does have potential. After all the JDM B16 head is awesome, you can always changed the displacement in the bottom end but again this all comes down to money. Don't make the mistake of getting something you feel you won't be satisfied with. Its worth saving the extra money for!!!!!
08-25-2003, 10:05 PM
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Re: (riceball777)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by riceball777 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
this is some what true
the b16 is slower than a gsr
but it is still a good amount faster than a ls even though the ls has more displacement.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd take the ls. I bet it's faster than the b16
this is some what true
the b16 is slower than a gsr
but it is still a good amount faster than a ls even though the ls has more displacement.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd take the ls. I bet it's faster than the b16
08-25-2003, 10:40 PM
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Re: (Al Bundy)
If you plan on going all motor, then I would recommend doing ls vtec, unless you made up your mind to get the JDM B18C5 motor!!!
Ls vtecs are awesome too!!
Ls vtecs are awesome too!!
08-25-2003, 11:19 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J98BlueGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you plan on going all motor, then I would recommend doing ls vtec, unless you made up your mind to get the JDM B18C5 motor!!!
Ls vtecs are awesome too!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Given that the two cost the same I would go with the R engine. I have a Mild setup with about 200 Hp to the wheels.
B16 Vs B18c1.... Both are great Plat forms... Given Stock to stock or Equally modded the B18c1 will always come out on top. just for the EXTRA Torque
The B16 can be reved higher due to the Lower stroke But does you no good unles the Cams can produce power up there.
There are B16's out here producig 180+ HP to the Wheels so not saying it can't be done. Modded Vs Stock the B16 may have a Chance.
Ls vtecs are awesome too!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Given that the two cost the same I would go with the R engine. I have a Mild setup with about 200 Hp to the wheels.
B16 Vs B18c1.... Both are great Plat forms... Given Stock to stock or Equally modded the B18c1 will always come out on top. just for the EXTRA Torque
The B16 can be reved higher due to the Lower stroke But does you no good unles the Cams can produce power up there.
There are B16's out here producig 180+ HP to the Wheels so not saying it can't be done. Modded Vs Stock the B16 may have a Chance.
08-26-2003, 05:25 AM
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Given that the two cost the same I would go with the R engine. I have a Mild setup with about 200 Hp to the wheels.</TD></TR></TABLE>
who ever told you that a ls/vtec would cost as much as a b18c5 was lieing to you. if you already have an ls then the ls/vtec is the smartest thing to do. it will make almost as much hp and more tq then the type r engine. If you paid 4500 for a lsvtec then you got ripped off.
Given that the two cost the same I would go with the R engine. I have a Mild setup with about 200 Hp to the wheels.</TD></TR></TABLE>
who ever told you that a ls/vtec would cost as much as a b18c5 was lieing to you. if you already have an ls then the ls/vtec is the smartest thing to do. it will make almost as much hp and more tq then the type r engine. If you paid 4500 for a lsvtec then you got ripped off.
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I just don't like 1/2 way doing things. I have an R and a Civic... No LS Here.
If you want to do it right an LS/VTEC is not a CHEAP alternaive. Seen too many "cheap ones" go to **** pretty quick to want any part of that. Just my opinion and How I do things. I am pretty maticulous when building an engine. I did the Cost analysis personally. That was just worse case senerio if i had to pay full price for an R engine.
Obviously we have a Different idea to build an LS/VTEC and the way I planned to build it it would have cost about the same price as the C5. The Issue here is not a LS/VTEC
B16 (Built) Vs B18c1 (Stock)
If you want to do it right an LS/VTEC is not a CHEAP alternaive. Seen too many "cheap ones" go to **** pretty quick to want any part of that. Just my opinion and How I do things. I am pretty maticulous when building an engine. I did the Cost analysis personally. That was just worse case senerio if i had to pay full price for an R engine.
Obviously we have a Different idea to build an LS/VTEC and the way I planned to build it it would have cost about the same price as the C5. The Issue here is not a LS/VTEC
B16 (Built) Vs B18c1 (Stock)
08-26-2003, 09:08 PM
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If you want that "Competitive Edge" then you can always let the air out of his tires.
Depending on How well the 16 is built you guys just might be even well I do think the GSR is a Tad heavier than the LS, but I could be wrong
Depending on How well the 16 is built you guys just might be even well I do think the GSR is a Tad heavier than the LS, but I could be wrong
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Even though my Teg has the B16 now its still faster than a LS. Its about the same through first then once you get going the b16 pulls harder than a LS. Im still useing the GSR computer to. So my vtec is set wayy too low. and it still pulls harder than a LS.
Now a B16 is a destroked B18. So you can get 1.8 Rods crank and pistons, and slap them in the b16 and get a 1.8l vtec motor. Just something to think of.
Now a B16 is a destroked B18. So you can get 1.8 Rods crank and pistons, and slap them in the b16 and get a 1.8l vtec motor. Just something to think of.
08-26-2003, 10:48 PM
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from my understanding, you cant put the b18c crank and rods in a b16 because the block height is shorter. and there are some interference between the crank and block? if im wrong please correct me.
08-26-2003, 10:55 PM
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Re: (deepgreengsr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by deepgreengsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Even though my Teg has the B16 now its still faster than a LS. Its about the same through first then once you get going the b16 pulls harder than a LS. Im still useing the GSR computer to. So my vtec is set wayy too low. and it still pulls harder than a LS.
Now a B16 is a destroked B18. So you can get 1.8 Rods crank and pistons, and slap them in the b16 and get a 1.8l vtec motor. Just something to think of. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You don't know what the hell you are talking about. An LS motor in a teg will and always be faster than a b16 in a teg. And a b16 is NOT a destroked b18.
Now a B16 is a destroked B18. So you can get 1.8 Rods crank and pistons, and slap them in the b16 and get a 1.8l vtec motor. Just something to think of. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You don't know what the hell you are talking about. An LS motor in a teg will and always be faster than a b16 in a teg. And a b16 is NOT a destroked b18.
08-26-2003, 10:56 PM
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Re: (filtereds0ul)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by filtereds0ul »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from my understanding, you cant put the b18c crank and rods in a b16 because the block height is shorter. and there are some interference between the crank and block? if im wrong please correct me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Correct. You have less posts and more knowledge than some people
Correct. You have less posts and more knowledge than some people