sleepycivix

my 94 b18c motor blew up... head is ported with skunk2 cams, still good....
if i bought a brand new 2001 type r block, can that go with my my GSR head?? please help thanks...

x James Bond x

yes

rubens

why the hell would you want to do that.

Cramerox

educate ur self brotha....the answer to your question is yes. But more people stick ITR head with GSR block. Your not taking advantage of the ITR block with a redline of 8k on ur head.

Please do bit more research. ide hate to see u waste ur money....if your rich then you send money C.O. cramerox for his turbo fund.

PaChiLa Leader

NICE~~~ hehehe

Tweakmeister

this would be cool....

the ITR is not all head...the crank and bearings are F1 based (crank is more balanced, and bearings use a special crystal coating.

pretty cool

Cramerox

exactly...so why would you do it then? the ITR block is capable revs to 8400 rpm. your not going to be able to use the engines potential sticking it under a 8k rpm gsr head, that has weaker components.

To make it work you need to reprogram ecu upgrade the valve train.

just get a GSR block and save ur money.

1 2 NV

i say just use it. u will have better low end with that head and u said its already ported. plus u will have 11.0:1 CR with that head on the 01 block. should run fine. is the valve train upgraded also with those skunk2 cams???

sleepycivix

Damn... u dont need to be all acting like da sh*5... it was a simple question I asked... Yes I do have complete skunk2 internals with matching ECu..VAFC blah blah blah... I did not want to metion all the other crap.. just wanted to ask a simple question...thanks for you who answer without the stick in yr rear.

ocbeta

you ask a question, we answer it. If we say something you don't like, don't read it.

BTW, welcome to Honda-tech

Cramerox

yes i'd like to think you would do a little more research before you ask questions. We have kept it simple. that answer to your question is yes you can put a ITR block on your GSR head.

But see at H-T there are people with Constructive Criticism....so here goes. why would you want to stick a ITR block on your GSR head? Its a waste of money when you can just get a GSR. your not going to be able to use the full potential of the engine with your head.

So there- thats my opinion. take it anyway u want. And BTW nothing is that simple.

Welcome

pistol

mmmm...or he could just spend a couple hundred and get a new valvetrain in which case he could rev past 8100 no problem...In face if he has Skunk2 cams odds are he probably has had some valvetrain work...

Cramerox

that also a good point. If you upgrade your valve springs, retainers, and ecu to redline higher then you should be ok. But i still think ITR is waste on money....but then again you have a bit higher compresion.

GZR4DR

Hes buying it brand new. Sad thing is i can get an ITR block for cheaper from the dealer than i can get a GSR block. Its not that much difference, but why not get an ITR block if hes planning on spending that much money anyways. Get higher compression out of the deal. Also the only thing he would need to upgrade is valvesprings in the GSR head to rev higher. Everything else is pretty much the same. He also said he has the upgraded valvetrain already so it wont cost him anymore. Personnally i think it is a good choice to go with.

However another option is getting a B20 longblock and swapping out the pistons, installing a crank girdle & oil squirters, and going for a nice b20-vtec. That would be faster than both of the options and still cost about the same.

All Motor Rex

Go with the ITR over the GSR. Let's see, better crank, better rods, better hi comp. pistons, for just about the same price. I say it's a no brainer. Especially since you already said you have the valve train to handle the rev's, and ECU chipped Etc. That will be a pretty sweet setup.

Eeepers

That is a good idea. ITR bottom end can taking more abuse. It will up your CR like everyone said which should be a nice kick in power. Since you have skunk2 internals, I assume their valve train, and valves, that would be a great upgrade.

sweet

iTrader: (5)

you can do that but the GSR head flows a bit different, though it is ported and has cams at least as good as ITR cams. and you will have a higher C/R cause the ITR pistons are a higher comp. than the GSR and the GSR head will yield more comp. from the different combustion chamber.

the ITR block and the GSR block are the same, cept for the C/R from the pistons.
if you slap an ITR head on a GSR block with the ITR ECU then you have the performance of an ITR motor minus the better tranny and bit higher comp (only .6 higher), that's it. same stroke/bore.


[Modified by sweet, 2:35 PM 7/26/2002]

1 2 NV

not exactly true. it shares alot of the same stuff but its not identical. ITR blocks r produced with meticulous care. they r hand assembled not on a assembly line. if u look into the integra service manual it lists alot of tighter tolerances than that of a GSR/LS block. the ITR block is NOT just a GSR with higher CR pistons. its a fine tuned piece of work.

Nextelbuddy

i am about to trade my GSR block plus cash for a 01 ITR short block...

i understand that compression wil be higher probaly around 10:8:1 - 11:1 question is wil i be ok for a little while running the gsr P72 ECU? i knwo the timing and fuel maps are slightly different but i do not plan on revving past 8000 rpms for a while

how will the motor run with this ECU though liek total crap???

DA6righthand

fsr and type r are the same except for the cams

Nextelbuddy

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well the ITR and GSR heads are quite different.. the gsr combusion chambers promote higher compresion and teh ITR head is slightly ported and polished from the factory with a slightly better flowing head..

what i was asking though is since the GSR head mated to a ITR block with ITR pistons will promote higher compression that a normal B18c1 block and head wil the P72 ECU be able to handle the fuel and timing maps decent for a little while or will i run into detonation problems of any sort??

4DooRGiSzer

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i hate all you people that are like "SEARCH FUNCTION!!!" BS, just answer the questions, no need to be Dic-s about anything.

And this "...oh you cant take advantage of the Type R block with a GSR head blah blah blah BS..."

It doesnt hurt to have too much, that just leaves room for potential...

His head is not stock, it has cams, springs, and retainers. What else does he need? ITR/B16 heads dont flow insane amounts more than GSR heads, and putting a GSR head on the type R block is great.
More compression = more horsepower....duh
A Bottom end more suited for the head, cuz now his head is better than
his stock bottom end, which would mean his stock bottom end would hold
him back from making full potential of the head.
Besides, im sure an extra 300 rpm on a stock bottom end is not going to hurt
shi--!

to the jack asses that felt the need to be rude and have stupid, unhelpful comments.

Demon R

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i hate all you people that are like "SEARCH FUNCTION!!!" BS, just answer the questions, no need to be Dic-s about anything.

And this "...oh you cant take advantage of the Type R block with a GSR head blah blah blah BS..."

It doesnt hurt to have too much, that just leaves room for potential...

His head is not stock, it has cams, springs, and retainers. What else does he need? ITR/B16 heads dont flow insane amounts more than GSR heads, and putting a GSR head on the type R block is great.
More compression = more horsepower....duh
A Bottom end more suited for the head, cuz now his head is better than
his stock bottom end, which would mean his stock bottom end would hold
him back from making full potential of the head.
Besides, im sure an extra 300 rpm on a stock bottom end is not going to hurt
shi--!

to the jack asses that felt the need to be rude and have stupid, unhelpful comments.

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awesome

Nextelbuddy

ok what about the ECU part though.... how will this combo run on a P72 GSR ecu.. is there anyone that has done it or knows anyone that is running ir has run a P72 ecu with thie setup with no issues?

4DooRGiSzer

im sure it will run just fun...but i would highly recommend getting Hondata, or there is something new and very similar and alot cheaper called Neptune. I dont know much about it, but it gets the job done as good or better than hondata and its alot cheaper.

Bottom line, get it dyno tuned, with something other than a VAFC