kemo909

So i took my 99 Integra LS for a timing belt job. He changed the timing belt, all the belts, water pump, changed all the seals, new oil, & filter. I picked it up and the mechanic is like the car runs great, seems that the valves need adjustment. I was ok, and then he is like the engine is a little loud and it seems to be clicking...i was ok..???...he turned it on and it was a little loud but didn't think nothing to it. Went to work straight from there and when i was getting to work the engine was like super loud! sounded like a diesel engine. The car aint right. This was friday, i called up my friend who is a mechanic and asked him if can adjust the valve clearance because the guy who worked on it said they were loose. He checked the valve clearance and the exhaust was a bit off and loose. He fixed all of it put on the valve cover and everything and i turned the car on. Nothing the engine sounds loud. Sounds like a loud taping sound. I asked my buddy what hapend and he doesn't know. What is going on???

halocore

did you check the timing to see if he did it right? theres a DIY here somewhere, find it and use it to check if the timing was done right.

Spawne32

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the timing is off, plain and simple, go back and tell them to recheck the timing, good bye valves

RICKSAUTOMOTIVE

i havent looked up this car yet, but its possible the oil pump isnt timed correctly. i know some cars hae timing marks for the pump and it also has a 3:1 ratio so there are 3 rotations for every 1 rotation. theres an access hole in the back of the block that you put a pin or screwdriver in to line up the pump on the correct timing rotation with the timing mark. if your engine is like this then its possible the pump timing is off

Fantastic420

man, I literally just fixed my problem. I had my motor sounding like yours but I didnt drive on it, I turned it off and remessed with the gears, timing, etc.. Redo/check everything (this is if your going to mess with it) including crank TDC, #1 piston TDC, cam gears in TDC position too. Put the belt on, tension it down. I dont got a perfect right up of what it could be but I went thru a couple hours ago. Im not a timing belt proffession, this is a first time ive done it. GL!

bad news, you might have messed some **** up if you drove it and it got loud as you said.. Just check everything, and you'll see whats up.

AcuraLsSE

The oil pump is driven by the crank directly. There are I think 2 flat spots on the oil pump and the crank that the pump slides on. Can't really mess it up.

RICKSAUTOMOTIVE

good to know its like the regular integras and not like the early 1990's accords and the mid 90's eclipse AWD cars. i know there are others but i wasnt sure about this integra specifically. thanks

kemo909

I only drove it for about 5 miles to my job, it sounded like crap & i was scared to drive it but i did. I hope i didn't f'ed up anything. Haven't driven it since, just wanted to know what was going on. He was like i can adjust the valves for you i'll charge you $80 for it...hmmm??...valve adjustment job??...the only reason i went to this mechanic was because my buddy had recently done his timing belt with him & recomended him to me. Thanks for confirming my suspicion of a f'ed up job. I don't want to drive the car, how can i check for this, i want to make sure this guy messed up the timing on my car.

NACvicSi

Def sounds like he has the timing off. Does it feel weak and like it's missing power? If the timing belt is off a tooth you should know it just by driving it.

RICKSAUTOMOTIVE

well you should call the better business bureau and report him. call he bureau of automotive repair and also get a second estimate of the damage. this guy should have to pay for it. but get that going with those bureaus and see what else they recommend. i have never had to deal with this but they got to be able to do something. and report the issue to the city hall too along with the estimates of the damage and your origional receipt. they may not allow him to renew a business license if hes messin up rides in their city

kemo909

It definately doesn't feel like i had it before, but i kept the rpms low because it was loud so i didn't get a good feel on the power of the car. My buddy even said thatit wasn't normal. He said he might of, in the prcess of taking the old and putting the new belt, cams gears might of moved a bit with the compression and he didn't notice. I'm going to give this guy a call and see what he says.

RICKSAUTOMOTIVE

too bad youre 100 minutes away (with a good car). give the guy a chance to fix it for free i guess. if somethin like that happened from me i would fix it for free. or pay for the dealer to do it if i screwed it up. thats why i drive the car before and after a service or repair...if i can drive it before. then i know if somethins wrong

AcuraLsSE

I wouldn't just go behind his back and try and report him. I would first go back and talk to him. If he doesn't want to address the problem take it up with the shop manager. Only then would I say to report them. If they think its fine then ask for the explanation on why its now SO loud. At first I was thinking it might be that the timing belt was off but you would know when trying to drive the car.

The first time I tried to do my timing belt I was 1 tooth off on both the intake and exhaust. I could only start the car when I held the gas to the floor and turned it over.

RICKSAUTOMOTIVE

yeah i agree with this. maybe the guy just messed up and the shop is willing to fix their mistake

NACvicSi

Go out and check your timing or get your buddy to if you don't know how. Checking it isn't hard and if it's off take it back. Just tell them it ran find before hand and if they don't want to fix it take it to another shop and have them diagnose the problem so you have proof.

PatrickGSR94

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First time I tried a valve lash adjustment, I botched it royally and one exhaust valve had like .030" clearance instead of .007" clearance. Damn engine sounded like a diesel, but I ended up driving it 200 miles from my parents' house back to my apartment anyway. Later in the week I found the loose valve and fixed it right up. Car ran and sounded fine after that.

That was nearly 200,000 miles ago.

kemo909

Alright talked to the guy and he said he has a supicion that it can be the oil pump not lubricating. Anyways he was cool and understanding and i'm going to take the car to him. He recomended not driving it so gotta put that AAA to work!

RICKSAUTOMOTIVE

yeah this was my concern with mentioning the oil pump to begin with. but i wouldnt have thought it would suddenly give you problems and be so loud. so this had me thinking the oil pump timing as a possibility until fantastic said this was not an issue on this car...or something like that. but i wouldnt have though it would suddenly be loud. mine was gettin loud a little up till i decided that it was time to give it a revival and i rebuilt the entire engine with new pistons and bearings and all that. (spent $1500 for parts and machining-this included all new sensors and fuel injectors, etc.) my rebuilds are no cheap cut corner things. got about 5000 miles on that rebuild now...almost 2 years later

wunfstgsr

You need to take this serious! him being cool don't mean crap! he's covering up his mistake that may have well ruined and bent your valves cause hes an idiot! i bet you $5 it has nothing to do with your oil pump lol come on! iv built these motors long enough to tell you he didn't set the cams even and its off and probably bent valves that's why it sounds loud, the slight ticking was a sign that somethings off and his job was not performed right and it progressed and got worse as you ran the motor, slowly under 4k or not the damage will occur and be there, how much i cant say! one thing about these shady mechanics are either they take on jobs they have no clue as what or how to perform the job correctly and mess it up or they purposlly mess something else up so you can come back and say something is wrong and hell say " ow its the oil pump that will be another $450 please! and get you for more money! the fact of the matter is that physically your motor was running fine and after getting it from that a hole its running like crap with a loud sound from the head which can be allot of things but to my understanding if he did all that he either took out the cam caps and cams and didn't assemble it back correctly and torque the caps down right or didn't line up the cam timing marks right, and or put the timing belt washer on the crank behind the crank gear and the belt is sliding and not riding the gears straight, and worse case scenario you got bent valves, if he don't fix it get your money back and have him reimburse another shop for repairing his mistake. just cause he did your friends right don't mean he cant mess up yours! if he did a timing belt change your timing should not be off nor should you have any foreign sound coming from your head! timing should be dead on once the head is at tdc and the dizzy is put straight on. i just did a timing belt change on my itr motor and sometimes to get the cam gears lined up gets tricky or to get the proper tension on the belt when the motor is in the bay. or another scenario would be he didn't tension the belt right and when the motor started it skipped a tooth on the cam gear and threw off the timing. if you didn't tell him yet that your friend did a valve adjustment i wouldn't tell him, he can use that against you saying the damage came from his valve adjustment and he will void any warranty he would give cause someone else worked on it after him and he will assume other things where done and his warranty will be null.

RICKSAUTOMOTIVE

totally agree with you.