RockyMtnTEG

this might sound crazy and be a completly bad idea...i was wondering if anyone had heard of a b16 with a turbo in a integra??...would this set up generate enough power to propell a 94 integra?..i dont think i want to do ls/vtec. thanks.

VTECB16

if u have a ls trans it would be quick

martyball619

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VTECB16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if u have a ls trans it would be quick</TD></TR></TABLE>
no, it would be slow...ls tranny sucks.. btw a b16 is too light for a dc.. stick to the ls motor

ziggz501

theres nothing wrong with putting any motor in an integra... it would move it, maybe not that fast, but it will. you'll b missing your extra 30 torque if you already have a motor in it. trust me, those .2 liters make a difference. but yeah, once you get over that bottom hump that b16 would pull just fine. but you shouldn't expect to beat much of anyone in an off the line race. any honda already lacks in torque, and making a car have less than intended probably isn't the best idea. b18c will beat b16a just about any time, considering they have the same things done.

martyball619

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H Twenty Teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Id take a B16 over an LS any day. Never with an LS tranny though.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i would take the LS over the b16.. i rather have that city "umph" rather than that pig slow torqueless b16.. but the b16 tranny is awesome though

martyball619

i dont care if its worth more.. duhrr the top end is better than ls, but who the hell drives in the high rpms everyday? you'll get citations in no time.. down low the LS kill the b16. the torque curve on a ls for DD is way better

RockyMtnTEG

alright thanks for the ideas! I JUST thought it would be a good idea haha oh well

ABCVTEC

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ziggz501 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theres nothing wrong with putting any motor in an integra... it would move it, maybe not that fast, but it will. you'll b missing your extra 30 torque if you already have a motor in it. trust me, those .2 liters make a difference. but yeah, once you get over that bottom hump that b16 would pull just fine. but you shouldn't expect to beat much of anyone in an off the line race. any honda already lacks in torque, and making a car have less than intended probably isn't the best idea. b18c will beat b16a just about any time, considering they have the same things done.</TD></TR></TABLE>

30 TORQUE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A B16 AND LS?

93JDMB18C

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ziggz501 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theres nothing wrong with putting any motor in an integra... it would move it, maybe not that fast, but it will. you'll b missing your extra 30 torque if you already have a motor in it. trust me, those .2 liters make a difference. but yeah, once you get over that bottom hump that b16 would pull just fine. but you shouldn't expect to beat much of anyone in an off the line race. any honda already lacks in torque, and making a car have less than intended probably isn't the best idea. b18c will beat b16a just about any time, considering they have the same things done.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I should hope so considering it is a GSR vs an SI

ziggz501

lol, well i can't say b18b will beat an si... cuz it won't unless something is done to it while the si is still stock. but! b18b will beat any D series out there
lol, no offense single cams, i loved my old civic.

IowayRUlz

iTrader: (5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ziggz501 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theres nothing wrong with putting any motor in an integra... it would move it, maybe not that fast, but it will. you'll b missing your extra 30 torque if you already have a motor in it. trust me, those .2 liters make a difference. but yeah, once you get over that bottom hump that b16 would pull just fine. but you shouldn't expect to beat much of anyone in an off the line race. any honda already lacks in torque, and making a car have less than intended probably isn't the best idea. b18c will beat b16a just about any time, considering they have the same things done.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There isn't a 30 lb/ft. torque difference between the B16A and B18B. At most it's 16 lb/ft., between a B18C (R) and B16A it's 23 lb/ft. at most. Short of major mods, .2 liters isn't going to make a difference. There's a million variables besides engine power numbers in a drag race.

To the OP: SEARCH, this topic has been covered A LOT.

deadline

there is nothing wrong with putting a b16a into a DC. FYI the em1 si are what...30-40 lbs lighter than DC2's. are u going to feel that much of a diff no..

SilentHill

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RockyMtnTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this might sound crazy and be a completly bad idea...i was wondering if anyone had heard of a b16 with a turbo in a integra?? ...would this set up generate enough power to propell a 94 integra?..i dont think i want to do ls/vtec. thanks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Keep your LS B18B, and run a GSR tranny, then turbo that.

The LS has a bore of 81mm and a stroke of 89mm so your gonna have more torque on a turbo LS than a trubo B16. Why turbo a 1587cc B16 when u already have a 1835cc engine in your car??

LST/LSVT setups 430 pages of replies to this thread dyno number etc included https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1323059

mike5809

All these people saying get rid of the LS tranny with a turbo?

The LS tranny is not bad at all really for turbo applications


Modified by mike5809 at 9:13 PM 5/29/2007

SilentHill

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike5809 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All these people saying get rid of the LS tranny with a turbo? Your nuts

The ls tranny is a great tranny for turbo setups...get it right.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Care to explain why the LS tranny is better for a turbo setup? Im not trying to argue, id like to sincerely know, since i cant think of a reason why.

mike5809

Im not gonna argue either

Thats how I feel and from alot of people I talk to they like it as well.

Or you can at least put a 5th gear from an LS in a b16 tranny too.

grjp1988

top end.

SilentHill

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H Twenty Teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
LS tranny is a ******* waste, well so is the engine. And other guy, why turbo a 1595cc motor or a 1834cc motor(yeah, you got the displacement wrong)? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Uh i got my figures from sport compact heres an html of the article debate the numbers with them not me http://72.14.209.104/search?q=...fox-a

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H Twenty Teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Because a STOCK B16 can make 310WHP at 10PSI, and stock LS same setup will make 260WHP.

This kinda crap makes me want to put a B16 turbo in my car, and wax every turbo LS out there.

Point blank. B16 is a better motor than the LS, and its transmission is better. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The B16 can never have the displacement that the LS does, a stroked 1.6L is smaller than a stroked 1.8L. But the LS can be given a Vtec head. "This kinda crap makes me want to..."


Modified by SilentHill at 8:48 PM 5/29/2007

92turboDA

Yeah a b16 goes in an integra, anyone ever heard of an Xsi, yeah think about that a B16A1 in a JDM integra.

Jtuned DC2

yea but thats in the second gens. If your going to do turbo. i say leave the LS. Strong block. 1.8L etc..

1.8L_allmotormilitia

slow.

LilKrnThugBoi253

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H Twenty Teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A shorter tranny ALWAYS means FASTER ACCELERATION. B16 B18B B18C B20Z doesnt matter, they are ALWAYS faster, NA or turbo with a B16 tranny.

LS tranny is a ******* waste, well so is the engine. And other guy, why turbo a 1595cc motor or a 1834cc motor(yeah, you got the displacement wrong)?

Because a STOCK B16 can make 310WHP at 10PSI, and stock LS same setup will make 260WHP.

This kinda crap makes me want to put a B16 turbo in my car, and wax every turbo LS out there.

Point blank. B16 is a better motor than the LS, and its transmission is better. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Wow, I'm going to leave you to the sharks. Alot of you guys should check out the dynos on these motors. Just because the B16 has more PEAK hp doesn't mean ****; it's the consistancy and output of the power before redline that counts. If you look at a dyno (which you obviously haven't), you'll see the LS motor push out more power than the B16 until you get into the upper part of the powerband.

Btw, on your stupid comment about getting 310WHP on a B16 and 260WHP on an LS is fucken retarded, possibly just like you.

Lauj87

Once again this thread has spiked the same *** debate that will go on forever...so let me restate what has been said before.


The b16 motor has more over all hp but the power range is all up top. where as the LS motor has a consistent power band.

Once you start into the subject of force induction of motors the LS will over all come up top in power. one of the reasons for the dyno difference is because of the shorter gearings.

In all there is no way a b16 with stock displacement will gain more horsepower then a LS motor if they both have the same transmission. Sure with some modifications one may produce more power then the other. But when both engines are built to their maximum potential but keeping there displacements the same. The LS WILL PRODUCE MORE POWER! being that they both are tuned correctly.

I'm tired and starting to lose my chain of thought so this is it for now lol.

LilKrnThugBoi253

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H Twenty Teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

shut up boi. Look up dyno of turbo LS an B16, stock motors, t3/t4.

Peak wins on the freeway, which is basically the only place turbo FWD Hondas should run anyway, unless you like 13.5's at 120 MPH...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Uhh, your retarded and that's that .

Wow, you like to downshift into third gear and floor it. Must be really hard to do huh. Go eat a damn cookie. As for your comment on running "13.5's at 120 MPH," ever hear of slicks? Anti-lag? Preloading? I wonder how so many people on this board are claiming to run 10's and 11's...

Please, before you start making yourself look any dumber, go to the All Motor or FI board and knock yourself out by searching for some dynos regarding the two engines. It's a proven fact that the LS produces more LINEAR power than the B16.

martyball619

i already stated before in this thread, and im gonna state it again. LS&gt;b16.. dammit.. i dont care if its nonvtec.. the point is a b16 is so damn torqueless that it becomes frustrating.. the powerband feels like a d series when i drove my boy's SI. if u search there is a thread where the LS compared to the b16, both having stage 1 cams and the usual IHE. the LS raped the b16 by 15-20 whp all the way till 7,500 rpms.. now u tell me what u like more