LeThaLiNjEcTi0N

ok, so i just put a b16 vtec head on my b18b block on my teg... however, it's not going to be finished until wednesday when i get paid... as i have dried up all of my funds...

my friend is building a d series and he thinks he can outrun me...

and my other friend dug up a '88 gti from an excavation site for fossils...
... and he thinks he can outrun me...

if they are all n/a, what do you guys think?

boostedteg1203

Assuming you all have the same types of mods you should spank their asses lol! If you're a descent driver and your VTEC kicks in yo!

95 integra

iTrader: (2)

D-series in a 2000lb civic might give you a run for your money if you have weighted your teggie down....honestly a B16 head on a stock LS block isnt exactly blazing fast.

cbaber

If you think slapping a b16 head on a b18b block is the same thing as a GSR you are wrong. You need the higher compression pistons to get to that level, and a tune. If your friend has a d16 in a stripped civic hatch or crx you are probably toast, but if its in a stock EG coupe, si hatch, or EK, you will probably win.

LeThaLiNjEcTi0N

i've heard that the b16 on top of a bigger block gives better compression than a gsr could..?

2.0Da9

i've seen a stock lsvtec walk a stock gsr no problem, ive seen a D15 4 door EF keep up with a gsr as well.

nsxter

hearing and knowing is two different things

BucCivicSi99

lol what you did??? put a stock b16 vtec on a stock b18b?? you should use itr piston and gsr or itr camgear but anyway tell us how the outcome?

LeThaLiNjEcTi0N

oh yea most definitely... i'll probably have a video of it..
and on top of that i'm using a chipped type r ecu

cbaber

Taken from this LS/VTEC guide, which I suggest reading: https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/how-build-%22reliable%22-lsvtec-b20vtec-1676914/

The motor you put together is not going to be as reliable or as balanced as a stock gsr or something without b16/itr pistons or aftermarket, plus a tune and other supporting mods. You will need to rev this thing to 8k to make good power, but the LS block isnt designed to do that so you risk your block everytime you rev over 7k rpm. I suggest doing your build right the first time.

Why would it be able to do that? Think about it... Its a b18b block with a b16 head. A GSR is the same thing but with a better block. What was each motor in? What were the mods of each motor? Driver error? There are too many variables to take into consideration to be able to make a statement like you made. The myth here is that you can just stick a Vtec head on a b18b and make 200 whp. You wont even be close.

2.0Da9

the reason most lsvtec set ups will walk type R's is because of the fact that they get tuned, mods or no mods tuning makes a big difference. The stock single came ef sedan was racing the dc2 gsr on the freeway, gsr couldnt walk it. Both cars had good drivers

BucCivicSi99

ls/vtec is a "poor man type r" think about it and we're talking about putting stock b16vtek in a stock b18b block that's no poor man type r without itr parts............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .........................................PERIOD!

2.0Da9

a "poor mans type R" is a b16 head on a gsr block. The fact that you said "putting stock b16vteK in a stock b18b block", shows me you have no idea wtf you're talking about

cbaber

The reason most LS vtecs beat stock ITR's and GSR's is because people build them correctly and install aftermarket pistons, cams, and tune it. You can do the same thing to a GSR motor and get the same results. There is nothing special about the b18b block that makes it better than a GSR or ITR, its just that its easy for people with B18b's to just swap heads instead of doing full swaps. The thing is, you need to do it right and atleast add b16/itr pistons and get a tune.

BucCivicSi99

your idiot dude!

2.0Da9

you cant even type. Seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about. Talk to me when you have something intelligent to say that makes even a little bit of sense

LeThaLiNjEcTi0N

i am working on a budget here... and this is going to be my everyday car, not my project car lolol... but from what you're saying, it won't be a dependable ok fast car?

95 integra

iTrader: (2)

Dependable all depends on how you build and tune it. Revving it past 7k on a stock LS bottom end is not recommended though, the rods use wider rod bearings, have heavier rods and are not balanced as well as a GSR...not to mention the longer stroke/shorter rod and missing block girdle and webbing on the block. Either way, LS/Vtec's done RIGHT can be reliable, but you have to build it right and keep it within its limits. Keep in mind slapping a vtec head on a block is NOT all that a ls/vtec setup consist of. You need wiring, ecu, acessories (vtec solenoid, cams, valve cover, intake manifold, ls/vtec conversion kit, etc).

half fast honda

you will probably win

2.0Da9

with your lsvtec build, you should have gotten (atleast) complete b16 head, arp headstuds, new headgasket, gsr oil pump, gsr water pump / timing belt, obd1 vtec ecu, most prefer getting arp rod bolts as well making it safer to rev to 8k, and if you're still running an ls trans then its not going to give you feel that you want. Always get tuned as well

LeThaLiNjEcTi0N

the head is all complete, i just need those pumps you just mentioned, rod bolts, and timing belt.. i already have a chipped type r ecu im using for it

teamjdm239

agreed.why would you title this "b16 hybrid" its a ls hybrid. and you should definitely research more before you build a motor. i give you 3 weeks of running the car before it breaks.
did u tap and plug any passages on the head?

and dont expect that motor to run with that "type r" ecu. its no where near the same motor or specs. and the redline on yours safely with just a vtec head and no arp rod bolts or headstuds would probably be 7300 rpms. the itr ecu is probably at 8900 so your definitely going to break something.

2.0Da9

he's right, hopefully you have an oil line tapped to the head, and without ARP headstuds you're in for some trouble. You'd probably be better off with a gsr ecu rather than a type r. Dont get me wrong, i know people who've run an lsvtec set up, with a stock block and head, just arp head studs, and the motor has run fine, been raced, never had any problems, its just not recommended to do so

LeThaLiNjEcTi0N

yes i already have all the passages capped, and i was mistaken its a chipped gsr ecu, i just found that out today. and the oil line that i am going to have to get will be a braided line about 2 - 3 feet long. i think i am getting some gsr cams here soon, if i can sell my wheels for $500..

p.s. i sent you a friend request on xbl..

2.0Da9

i dont think the GSR cams are going to make a big difference for you, might as well use that money on rods, since they come with rod bolts, and pistons, it will make your block more reliable in the high rpms