court76wi

Hello fellow DC2 owners.

I'm looking for some help regarding swaybars that will work with the ASR subframe brace besides the Type-R OEM, Mugen, and ASR swaybars - and using the stock LCA mounting points for the endlinks. Essentially, I'm looking for say a 19 (3/4") or 20 mm swaybar that will work with it. But larger swaybars would be nice to know to as well for reference, besides just the bank breaking ASR hollow bar. Most larger aftermarket ITR bars should work fine though without issue.

Does anyone have another manufacturer's swaybar installed with the ASR brace (non-ITR type), or is anyone just running an aftermarket bar without an ASR brace know if the bar geometry will work? Essentially, the ASR brace just moves the bushing locations closer together than the stock DC2 locations, or the same bushing locations as the ITR. So if you have an aftermarket bar, is the bar strait between the two stock bushings locations or does it bend out slightly? (update, see the photo farther down the page for a visual reference) I know an ST 3/4" bar will work, but since it attaches to the shock bottoms it responds like a thicker bar. I believe the larger Whiteline ITR bars will also work.

Can anyone provide any information to help out? Whiteline, Cusco, Tanabe, Progress, Blox, Eibach, cheap eBay, etc.? As long as the bar is strait where ITR bushings would be located it should work. I'm going to run a 12kF/14kF spring rate on my car (track use), so more than likely I'll still be at 22mm or larger. But I'm looking for alternatives in case I need to go smaller for some final tweaking, and I don't want to remove the brace. It would also be some good info for other users upgrading to an ASR brace. Even though a smaller bar might not require the brace, some people will still install them or other similar reinforcement kits anyway.

Thanks for any info you can provide. Asking the swaybar manufacturers hasn't gotten me far.


Modified by court76wi at 3:58 PM 11/5/2008

sh4mr0ck

Any sway bar that fits your teg will fit with the ASR brace. The only issue is getting the correct D links.

That's it.

court76wi

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No, actually they won't. Most swaybars designed for the stock mounting location, or even their own reinforcements kits, have a bend immediately after they clear the bushing. This bend falls in the exact location where the ASR brace relocates them. The bar needs to be strait, or at least not have a bend in this location. So it's more than just the D links.

Not that I would want to, but there's no way I can use my stock 14 mm rear bar with the ASR brace for this very reason.

sh4mr0ck

I didn't know that... haha now I know!

I guess I never thought of bends, just mounting locations, my stock sway bar matches up, and the type r matches up as well, I guess I never really went much further than that to look more into it on my own setup!

court76wi

This isn't the best picture, but you can see it here...



You can see that the OEM bar has an inside bend immediatly after it clears the bushing. The ASR brace, or the ITR bushing mount locations, are about 2-3" closer together to each other. That puts the bushings right where that bend is.

As long as an aftermarket swaybar doesn't have a bend where the new mounts are located it should work fine with the correct D links. Or any swaybar that's completely strait between the OEM bushing locations would work. The only issue is, trying to find a picture of what the actual DC2 swaybar looks like.

So, does anyone have a 19 or 20 mm swaybar that doesn't have an interference problem like the OEM one above? Or is there an OEM bar from another model Honda that might work?


Modified by court76wi at 3:53 PM 11/5/2008

court76wi

Bump for all the people that run aftermarket swaybars.

If anyone has a picture of an aftermarket swaybar installed on your vehicle and the brand/model or size of it that would be great. If it's a good picture I can tell just by looking at it. Thanks.

steveo135

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dude clean a$$ suspension

rebar71

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If anyone has a picture of an aftermarket swaybar installed on your vehicle and the brand/model or size of it that would be great. If it's a good picture I can tell just by looking at it. Thanks. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I just installed this bad boy on my DC4 last weekend...









Omni Power 21mm sway bar with sub-frame brace. Got the kit for $90 off ebay.

court76wi

That looks nice.

I saw a old MFactory, or OBX copy similar to it on eBay a couple weeks ago. Unfortunately that Omni bar is bent right where the ITR brackets go. Blox will probably be the same. Damn.

Thanks for the pics.

court76wi

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Thanks man. It keeps looking better as it comes together. Front suspension is getting the same makeover.


Before


After


Modified by court76wi at 6:18 AM 11/7/2008

CeReal

you need ones with the same deisgn that suspension techniques has. its a different design from oem all together..its not an easy install, you gotta do something to compress the spring to fit the bar through the springs and back subframe. then you drill a holes eachside for the d-bracket. i find if i would have bought the asr bar before installing the ST sway bar, i would have 2 less holes in my subframe.

edit:the ST bar does not use stock D brackets.
nice set-up btw.
pm me for questions.

CeReal

tadaaaaa..you cant really tell, but it only bends at like a 45 degree angle....and of course, no pics of the asr, cause my car got stolen and these pic are really old.

CeReal

it was a really hard job. i had to ge my other self because theres no room to even get your fingers inside the subframe to hold that nut for the new D braket screws. but man, once you get that **** hooked up, your in for a treat. best bang for the buck imo.

Cereal

court76wi

Thanks for the pics and the info. I acutally had the ST kit on an old '94 RS that I used to own. That's the problem though is trying to find a swaybar that's shaped similar to yours, an ITR, or ASR bar.

The only problem with the ST bar is that it attaches to the shock bottoms. It sees a lot more motion, and thus a lot more twist compared to a bar that connects to the stock LCA locations (there's a little more moment arm due to the connection point, but the extra travel offsets that). So that ST 3/4" (19 mm) bar acts like a thicker bar. I'll just throw out some imaginary number, but it probably acts more like a 22 or 23 mm bar. That ST installation was a pain though, my '94 shock bolts were completely siezed. I didn't have a torch so I had to drill those suckers out.

As you said though, I just need to find a bar that's shaped correctly. Best way to find that out is by people posting pics though. There's got to be a std DC2 bar that doesn't have those bends but connects to the LCAs in the stock location. Intrax or Eibach might, but those kits are like over $300. I wonder about Cusco? Thanks again, I'm sure some other members like to see the work involved with these upgrades.

Note: to anyone that does any mods or rebuilds, applying no-seize is a great and cheap assembly addition to make you future life easier


Modified by court76wi at 7:06 AM 11/7/2008

court76wi

Ouch, sorry about the stolen car by the way. I hear too much of that...

CeReal

a-spec seems to be more popular. maybe cause it more compatible.

https://honda-tech.com/zero...50191

another article
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/a....html

Brice.Hayden

iTrader: (15)

i had my stock gsr on my ASR brace before i went with the 22mm itr one.

BAYsikDC4

iTrader: (1)

when installing an ASR brace did anyone else have to drill holes and break off the tack welded nut like the guy in the thread mentioned above did?

https://honda-tech.com/zero...50191

gabebauman

Looks just like my MFactory setup.


I plan on upgrading to an ASR brace in the near future.

rebar71

I plan on upgrading the brace as well. I want to go with some beefier poly bushings for the sway bar, but the brace that came with my kit simply can't accommodate them.