'94 GSR traits?
05-10-2007, 02:14 AM
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'94 GSR traits?
Hello Integra section,
For better or worse (probably worse), I'm not very well versed on which trim levels have what features within the Integra line. That being the case, I'm curious about this:
I suspect a friend of mine got conned pretty badly. He claimed to have recently purchased a '94 GSR with a rebuilt engine, with 122k miles on the cassis for $4,000.
When I took a look at his car the other night, a few things struck me as odd. First of all, his tachometer redlined at 7,000 rpm. Don't GSR's redline at 8,400, or somewhere close? Besides that, I'm not positive, but I thought GSR's also have leather interiors and sunroofs. His had neither.
Last of all, after taking a look at his engine, the block read "B18B1", which, I know isn't the GSR motor. In fact, the only thing that would suggest the car once being a GSR is inside the door sill, where you find the vehicle maximum load and tire information, a sticker reads "Integra GS-R". Of course, that could have just been placed there at any time.
I'm not gonna pretend to know too much here, but does any of this sound fishy to you guys? Is a sunroof and leather interior standard in a GSR? And would someone seriously downgrade a motor, tranny, interior and tachometer in a GSR chassis? It doesn't make any sense to me, but perhaps there's some funky reason someone would do that? (I guess to sucker someone to pay for a GSR when it's actually an LS?)
For better or worse (probably worse), I'm not very well versed on which trim levels have what features within the Integra line. That being the case, I'm curious about this:
I suspect a friend of mine got conned pretty badly. He claimed to have recently purchased a '94 GSR with a rebuilt engine, with 122k miles on the cassis for $4,000.
When I took a look at his car the other night, a few things struck me as odd. First of all, his tachometer redlined at 7,000 rpm. Don't GSR's redline at 8,400, or somewhere close? Besides that, I'm not positive, but I thought GSR's also have leather interiors and sunroofs. His had neither.
Last of all, after taking a look at his engine, the block read "B18B1", which, I know isn't the GSR motor. In fact, the only thing that would suggest the car once being a GSR is inside the door sill, where you find the vehicle maximum load and tire information, a sticker reads "Integra GS-R". Of course, that could have just been placed there at any time.
I'm not gonna pretend to know too much here, but does any of this sound fishy to you guys? Is a sunroof and leather interior standard in a GSR? And would someone seriously downgrade a motor, tranny, interior and tachometer in a GSR chassis? It doesn't make any sense to me, but perhaps there's some funky reason someone would do that? (I guess to sucker someone to pay for a GSR when it's actually an LS?)
05-10-2007, 02:28 AM
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Re: '94 GSR traits? (bo0ty cheDda)
I was looking around the engine, but couldn't find a Vtec selenoid. Perhaps I was looking in all the wrong areas (keep in mind, I have a D16y8, our blocks look very different, haha) But anyway, besides that, his intake manifold wasn't stock, so it didn't have butterflies in there. I'm sure if I went for a ride in it, I'd be able to hear if it had Vtec or not, and determine whether or not he got shanked.
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Re: '94 GSR traits? (mac_24_seven)
sounds like your friend bought the base model integra rs. The only way to confirm if his car used to be a gsr is to see if there's a there's a third brake light in the hatch window and to see if the vin number starts with DC2. GSR's didn't have the third brake light in the hatch, but rather on the spoiler. GSR's came in clothe interior, but leather was also an option. GSR's also have a sunroof, a b18c1 block, and the "fat five" 15" wheels.
05-10-2007, 09:37 AM
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Re: '94 GSR traits? (RHDSICOUPE)
I did look at his vin on his dashboard and I did read DC2 as the chassis code. I wasn't sure if all Integras shared that code or not. Come to think of it, it was 9:00 PM, and the car's black. Perhaps I just somehow missed the sunroof? Unlikely. My car has a sunroof, so any car that doesn't have one instantly strikes me as different. Regardless, I'm positive that engine is a non Vtec B18B1. He claims to hear a crossover in the cam profile, but can't tell me at what RPM that occurs. He also said he made the rev limiter bounce at 7,200... so... that wouldn't make me instantly think "GSR".
I don't know if I have it in me to tell him he got shanked. He so frickin' proud of it. Though, I think if I were a good friend, I'd better tell him his engine's a downgrade. However, I do think it was absolutely stupid to just buy a car and not know what to look for. Especially a Honda!! Our cars are stolen so frickin' often, and parts can be so sketch. And in this case-- the entire car is sketch. From what I'm reading now, it sounds like the car was once a GSR, but inexplicably, now has a much weaker engine. Man... this is like buying a WRX, but getting an NA motor in it.
I don't know if I have it in me to tell him he got shanked. He so frickin' proud of it. Though, I think if I were a good friend, I'd better tell him his engine's a downgrade. However, I do think it was absolutely stupid to just buy a car and not know what to look for. Especially a Honda!! Our cars are stolen so frickin' often, and parts can be so sketch. And in this case-- the entire car is sketch. From what I'm reading now, it sounds like the car was once a GSR, but inexplicably, now has a much weaker engine. Man... this is like buying a WRX, but getting an NA motor in it.
05-10-2007, 09:54 AM
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Nope. Just "Honda Motor Co." That's what struck me as odd, which is why I grabbed my flashlight and checked the block. It clearly read B18B1. I wanted to do a GSR swap into my civic, so I know what engine is supposed to be in there. Personally, I think his claim of hearing Vtec is simply him hearing a short ram intake on a honda engine. They'll all sound somewhat nice on the intake side. (He came from a beater older Maxima)
And yeah, I'm thinking the same, that it was once a GSR, but that motor is long gone... What adds to that suspicion is the previous owner is a big integra fan, who has had several in the past, has a spare B18C5 motor in his garage, and this particular "GSR" was driven by his girlfriend prior to selling it. Supposedly, she drove the car very gently as well. So, if she didn't care about performance, they could have sold that B18C1 long ago, and dropped in that "rebuilt" engine. None of this is looking good for my friend... I'm just really glad I know I've been the only owner of my Honda... haha..
And yeah, I'm thinking the same, that it was once a GSR, but that motor is long gone... What adds to that suspicion is the previous owner is a big integra fan, who has had several in the past, has a spare B18C5 motor in his garage, and this particular "GSR" was driven by his girlfriend prior to selling it. Supposedly, she drove the car very gently as well. So, if she didn't care about performance, they could have sold that B18C1 long ago, and dropped in that "rebuilt" engine. None of this is looking good for my friend... I'm just really glad I know I've been the only owner of my Honda... haha..
05-10-2007, 10:12 AM
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..Wow.. Duely noted, Mad.
See, if I were to have paid for a GSR, and the guy who sold it to me claimed it was, I'd be pissed to have an LS motor in it. So, my friend didn't order it like that. I think scammers are a bunch of *****, and since I wasn't positive what was in a GSR, I came to you guys. At least this way, he has the option to confront the seller for misleading him.
See, if I were to have paid for a GSR, and the guy who sold it to me claimed it was, I'd be pissed to have an LS motor in it. So, my friend didn't order it like that. I think scammers are a bunch of *****, and since I wasn't positive what was in a GSR, I came to you guys. At least this way, he has the option to confront the seller for misleading him.
05-10-2007, 10:19 AM
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Ok, just cuz it has a ls swap in it, doesnt make the car an ls, it was a dc2 before, and its still a dc2, no matter wut engines in it. unless the dude told ur homie it had a gsr engine in it, hten yeah, id be pissed, but if there was no regards to a swap, and the dumbass didnt have anyone look at it, he gets wut his stupidity deserves.....plus 4gs for a dc2 and a fresh ls swap thats not a bad deal.
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i know id be pissed.
you shouldnt have to completely know every detail about a car you want to buy.
You shouldnt have to look over every detail.
Shady sellers are pieces of ****, Id be mad.
His friend came from owning a nissan, he probably doesnt know much about integras.
you shouldnt have to completely know every detail about a car you want to buy.
You shouldnt have to look over every detail.
Shady sellers are pieces of ****, Id be mad.
His friend came from owning a nissan, he probably doesnt know much about integras.
05-10-2007, 11:43 AM
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look at the back of the head, it will say pr4 if the head is an ls (p72 if its a gsr)
-Probably is since the valve cover dosn't say vtec but u never know.
Does it have a vtec solenoid(if u don't have that theres no way its vtec.)
Look at the ecu,whats the code? p74/p75/pr4 again == non vtec
Earlier year gsr's had leather as an option, not standard
Chassis code as mentioned, don't just look at the dash vin plate, upper right corner of the firewall has the code
DC2 =GSR
DC4 =LS
Sounds like your friend got scammed
-Probably is since the valve cover dosn't say vtec but u never know.
Does it have a vtec solenoid(if u don't have that theres no way its vtec.)
Look at the ecu,whats the code? p74/p75/pr4 again == non vtec
Earlier year gsr's had leather as an option, not standard
Chassis code as mentioned, don't just look at the dash vin plate, upper right corner of the firewall has the code
DC2 =GSR
DC4 =LS
Sounds like your friend got scammed
05-10-2007, 04:09 PM
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Re: '94 GSR traits? (iH8RICERZ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iH8RICERZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sounds like your friend bought the base model integra rs. The only way to confirm if his car used to be a gsr is to see if there's a there's a third brake light in the hatch window and to see if the vin number starts with DC2. GSR's didn't have the third brake light in the hatch, but rather on the spoiler. GSR's came in clothe interior, but leather was also an option. GSR's also have a sunroof, a b18c1 block, and the "fat five" 15" wheels.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have a db8 gsr sedan and I have a third brake light in the back deck and also have a wing. The 3rd light is not on because it is hooked up to the wing. I suspect a late add-on but anyways. You can have 3rd brake lights in the back.
Mine also has ugly *** toupe or tan interior whatever it is ugly. But oh well.
Sorry for your friends trouble, looks like that seller found a fish. I would go back and ask for 1000.00 back.
In the meantime boost that bitch.
I have a db8 gsr sedan and I have a third brake light in the back deck and also have a wing. The 3rd light is not on because it is hooked up to the wing. I suspect a late add-on but anyways. You can have 3rd brake lights in the back.
Mine also has ugly *** toupe or tan interior whatever it is ugly. But oh well.
Sorry for your friends trouble, looks like that seller found a fish. I would go back and ask for 1000.00 back.
In the meantime boost that bitch.
05-10-2007, 04:37 PM
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Hmmm... some good information given in replies here, some not-so-good.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civic steve »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">his tachometer redlined at 7,000 rpm. Don't GSR's redline at 8,400, or somewhere close?</TD></TR></TABLE>
8100 RPM is the redline indicated on the GS-R tach.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civic steve »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Besides that, I'm not positive, but I thought GSR's also have leather interiors and sunroofs. His had neither.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The 1994 did not have leather interiors. Leather interiors were optional beginning in 1995 (they sometimes called the model the GSR-L) and became standard in 1999.
All GS-Rs had sunroofs.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teggsr925 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gsr's came w/o leather</TD></TR></TABLE>
True, for 1994. See above for later years.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maggsgsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Leather was an option for a 94 GSR.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it wasn't.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teggsr925 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">check the vin: dc2=gsr,-r
dc4=ls,gs,rs</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's true, for 3-door hatchbacks. Is this a hatch, or a 4-door? For 4-door sedans:
DB8 = GS-R
DB7 = LS/GS/RS
It's probably easier to just look at the EIGHTH character of the VIN:
1 = Type R
4 = RS
5 = LS
6 = GS
8 = GS-R
9 = GS-RL (GS-R with leather interior)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iH8RICERZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GSR's didn't have the third brake light in the hatch, but rather on the spoiler.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not four-doors. Four-door GS-Rs didn't have a spoiler.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iH8RICERZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GSR's came in clothe interior, but leather was also an option.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not for '94, it wasn't. See above.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iH8RICERZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GSR's also have a sunroof, a b18c1 block, and the "fat five" 15" wheels.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, the '94 (and '95) had the fat fives.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civic steve »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">his tachometer redlined at 7,000 rpm. Don't GSR's redline at 8,400, or somewhere close?</TD></TR></TABLE>
8100 RPM is the redline indicated on the GS-R tach.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civic steve »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Besides that, I'm not positive, but I thought GSR's also have leather interiors and sunroofs. His had neither.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The 1994 did not have leather interiors. Leather interiors were optional beginning in 1995 (they sometimes called the model the GSR-L) and became standard in 1999.
All GS-Rs had sunroofs.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teggsr925 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gsr's came w/o leather</TD></TR></TABLE>
True, for 1994. See above for later years.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maggsgsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Leather was an option for a 94 GSR.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it wasn't.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teggsr925 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">check the vin: dc2=gsr,-r
dc4=ls,gs,rs</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's true, for 3-door hatchbacks. Is this a hatch, or a 4-door? For 4-door sedans:
DB8 = GS-R
DB7 = LS/GS/RS
It's probably easier to just look at the EIGHTH character of the VIN:
1 = Type R
4 = RS
5 = LS
6 = GS
8 = GS-R
9 = GS-RL (GS-R with leather interior)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iH8RICERZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GSR's didn't have the third brake light in the hatch, but rather on the spoiler.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not four-doors. Four-door GS-Rs didn't have a spoiler.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iH8RICERZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GSR's came in clothe interior, but leather was also an option.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not for '94, it wasn't. See above.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iH8RICERZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GSR's also have a sunroof, a b18c1 block, and the "fat five" 15" wheels.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, the '94 (and '95) had the fat fives.
05-10-2007, 11:29 PM
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Alright.. to put an end to this thread, yeah... GSR with a B18B1 swap. Aparently, the tach was switched too, since it redlined at 6,900.
After riding in it, there certainly was no Vtec engagement, which wasn't surprising.
He was told it was a complete GSR from the seller, which IMO, is false advertising. Though, inexplicably, he isn't going to confront him. Oh well. I guess it's time for a turbo?
Anyway, thanks for the answers, all. I'm sorry if I've annoyed any of you. I guess if nothing else, this thread shows why people should do their homework and take a close look at the car before commiting and buying it. I'm with you guys in thinking he deserved getting conned for not checking of all things-- the engine.
After riding in it, there certainly was no Vtec engagement, which wasn't surprising.
He was told it was a complete GSR from the seller, which IMO, is false advertising. Though, inexplicably, he isn't going to confront him. Oh well. I guess it's time for a turbo?
Anyway, thanks for the answers, all. I'm sorry if I've annoyed any of you. I guess if nothing else, this thread shows why people should do their homework and take a close look at the car before commiting and buying it. I'm with you guys in thinking he deserved getting conned for not checking of all things-- the engine.