For awhile I've been planning to turbo my sohc zc but it's dawned on my that it'd be cheaper to go with a type r swap w/ mods for the horsepower I want (210-240). Although, I'm not real clear on everything I would need besides want comes with the "complete change over" package that http://www.hmotorsonline.com offers. I already have 89 integra front spindles on the car. Will those work?? Will my 89 si gauge cluster work?? What all will I need exaclty??

 

i fail to see how that would be more cost effective. to get 210-240 from a b15c5 you would have to spend maybe $2000 on top of the $3500 or more cost of the c5... plus it weighs a lot more... so you could just do either a dohc zc or sohc vtec z6 both with a turbo and get your 210-240 for half the money...

 

Valid point with the weight. Although, this is the way I looked at it. My engine would need quite a bit of work before I could put the 15-20 psi I think it would need to reach that kind of hp. Here's the best prices and a list of things I was going to use.

-Block machining -- $1500
-port and polish head -- $1500
-crower rods -- $689
-race eng. pistons -- $439
-cylinder brace -- $110
-overboost stage 2 drag gen II turbo kit -- $5045
(decided w/this turbo kit because it comes with most of the stuff I wanted anyways)
-tial wastegate -- $150
-greddy electronic boost controller -- $367
-metal head gasket -- $109

and on top of that I'd have to get an si tranny w/a new clutch because right now I have a zc tranny and I'd be shifting way too much. All that adds up close to $10K. I figured I could do a b18c5 swap with some mods for about $8K.

 

How i did the B18C5 swap in my car:
I had a 1st gen B16 set up initially. Then i was lucky to come accros a full b18C5 shortblock. I sourced out the rare JDM YS1 w/lsd for a tranny. Frog engineering got me an obd0 to obd1 wiring harness conversion, and i traded my old pr3 for for a rare obd1 version pr3 ecu, the old distibutor for the newer obd1 stlye and got a set of Rc 310cc injectors. I already had a type r intake manifold and the head is actually being reworked over now with a port & polish and reinstalation of skunk cams and valvetrain.
As far as the engine harness goes i had both my original 89 SI harness and an extra b series obd1 harness from a junk engine. You will have to use the plugs from both harnesses and do some repinning, and some shortening/lengthening of a couple things for sensors being in different places. Hondata will be your friend when it come time to reprogram the ecu for the B18 engine.

 

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(decided w/this turbo kit because it comes with most of the stuff I wanted anyways)
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That is your mistake. Do it yourself and save $$

 

What would be the ideal custom turbo setup?? I was thinking a t3/t4 turbo, delta wastegate, greddy turbo timer & boost controller, etc. But what kind of engine management should I use??? The only place that could possibly do any tuning around where I live is an A'PEX "Power Excel Shop." Does A'PEX make what I would need (engine management)?

 

How much does HMO want for a B18C5 swap? You can get an early ITR swap at passowrdjdm for $3999.

 

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Personally I would ditch the deltagate and get a TIAL instead. And instead of getting a turbo timer, you could just sit in the car for 3-5 minutes while the car cools down, before shutting it off. For engine tuning, if the shop near you is good with working on the Apexi Power FC, then you could get that. But last time I checked they only had applications for 96-98 Civic EX, and 96-98 LS/GSR/ITR.

 

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They want $4500 for the swap. I went and checked out passwordjdm and I don't know if they have a warranty or not. But, I know that hmo has a 1year warranty. Either way, I'm probably gonna go back with the turbo idea instead of another swap.

 

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Personally I would ditch the deltagate and get a TIAL instead. And instead of getting a turbo timer, you could just sit in the car for 3-5 minutes while the car cools down, before shutting it off. For engine tuning, if the shop near you is good with working on the Apexi Power FC, then you could get that. But last time I checked they only had applications for 96-98 Civic EX, and 96-98 LS/GSR/ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I do believe I am going to go w/a tial wastegate instead. And you're correct about the applications for the power fc. So now I'm back to square one as far as tuning goes.