Anyone has recommendations on aftermarket pads which will out perform OEM's brake pads? I am looking for a driect replacement with mainly daily use with maybe 5-6 track event per year.

 

ART brake pads!!!!

yoshi - who loves his ART brake pads

 

Pros and cons to all, just a matter if you look for less dusting/squeaking.

All high(er) performance pads will dust more than stock.

I think Porterfield R4 should do the trick for you.

 

You probably mean the Porterfield R4S...NOT the R4. The R4 is completely unstreetable: high noise level, high dust level, very rotor aggressive when cold...this is a track only pad.

Andie Lin

 

oops yea..the R4s !!

 

I would highly recommend the R4S. Great stopping power, and they last long as well. They fade a lot slower than stock pads, and those lasted me a good 6 months with a few track events. As long as you don't mind the brake dust, it's a good choice.

 

OEM honda!

 

agreed

 

Well I wouldn't listen to the guys that recommend stock pads for track days - they will glaze, overheat and then disintegrate after your 1st or 2nd event.

For street/track - I've had good experiences with the R4S pads in the front. Not as great as the R4 (which are virtually fade-free no matter now hard you work them), but definitely more cold rotor friendly and less dusty than the R4 pads.

Rotor life will improve once you upgrade the OEM rotors. My OEM rotors got eaten up pretty badly. My OEM Brembo replacements have faired better but are starting to show some early signs of cracking.

Other recommended types to try:
1) Hawk HPS (<u>not</u> Blues)
2) EBC
3) ?


[Modified by Big Phat R, 2:25 PM 11/26/2001]

 

Endless NA-Y perhaps?

EBC Red I like over the greens though the initial bite of the greens are great.... Reds seem to dust less.

Hawk HPS my friend likes....with the HP+ tends to squeal.... initial bite seems softer too till they are heated up.

 

my hawk HPS work great on the street. I havent got to use them on the track yet but have really gotten on them before. They're great pads and worth the money.

 

well, I just ordered some "Panther+" pads thru Andie. Easily one of the easiest transactions I've ever done over the phone

These will be put to the test for two days at Willow Springs this coming weekend

yoshi - who wants to know why it's still monday

 

Don't waste your money. Stock is enough for street and dust reasonably at a ok level. I personally tried:

Hawk HPS (don't notice much difference over stock, but dust more)
Hawk HP+ (I cooked a pair of this after 3 laps at a Cayuca lapping day)
Hawk Blue (will try that next session)

 

I use R4S pads on my R for daily and track use. They work fine, especally with my StopTech rotors and Spoon calipers.
The downside is that they do shead a lot of dust!!!!!!! Yet that coming from someone with slotted rotors.

 

I have a lot of dust from the R4S pads...I think that I'll be giving the rims a thorough cleaning now that they are off the car.
Austin

 

I've had good experience on my ITR with the stock pads, with RM Racing's street/track pads, and with Endless CC-X pads. All perform well on the street (without excessive squealing or dusting or needing warmup), and perform well on the track. I'm looking forward to trying the Carbotech Panther Plus next. I'm sure any of these is fine.

I've had a bad experience with the Porterfield R4S on my GS-R. When the brakes got hot on the track, the backing plates bent around the pistons. This is A BAD THING.

 

Street brake pads: Porterfield R4S, Hawk HPS
Street/Track brake pads: Hawk HP Plus
Track brake pads: Carbotech Panther Plus, Hawk Blue, Porterfield R4

 

I went with Hawk HPS (they are made in Ohio my old state of residence).
they seem much better braking wise when warmed up. won't eat the rotors too bad like the Blue's supposedly do.

-Aoib0t, who tested his brakes after installation with Yoshi. Yeah, smelly brakes.

 

The stock pads will die on the track if you do anything more than light lapping.

Here is what happened to me after a lapping session at Gingerman Raceway.

For the sake of comparison, these are the back brakes. The front brakes looked similar before the lapping session.



Here are the front brakes after the lapping session.



If you want to do anything over than light lapping, get some aftermarket pads!!

 

That discoloration is normal after heat-cycling from track usage. There's nothing wrong with those pads.

I'm not easy on my brakes, and the stock pads still worked fine for me after USING THEM on the track at GingerMan.



[Modified by nsxtcjr, 6:05 PM 11/26/2001]

 

R4 pads (f/r) w/cryio'd rotors (for the street ... and the occassional track day/highway radar trap).

I don't care if their noisy (aren't any more), or dust!
They stop ALL THE TIME, and I only have to change them when I'm done (looks like the first set of front pads barely made a dent in the rotors).
Perfect match for 032R street tires, SS lines and high temp fluid).

(juju) P.S. Sam, no more car info till we see some more pics!


[Modified by zygspeed, 7:20 PM 11/26/2001]

 

****, GMan must be easy on brakes then. Sorry, but the oem pads suck *** for track use. They were never intended for such use, just as blues weren't intended for street use.

I run stock on the street, blues on the track.

 

Sorry, maybe I was unclear. I had about as much pad in the front as in the back before the lapping session. I obviously DESTROYED my brakes in one session. I don't think that would happen nearly as quickly with aftermarket pads.

 

What is "a lapping session"? Is it a 20-minute session around the track? Or is it a one- or two-day event in which you can drive on the track as much of the day as you want?

If it's the latter, then you can drive 200 or more track miles in a day - and you can destroy a set of almost any front pads (including some very good aftermarket pads) when you rack up that kind of track mileage.



[Modified by nsxtcjr, 7:47 PM 11/26/2001]

 

Actually you can use stock pads sucessfully at the track, as long as don't abuse them. I have about 10 track days on mine, as well 4-5 autoX too. All tolled 10+K miles. Yes the factory tires still on there too.

Granted it's time for new brakes and tires. By knowing the limitation of the OEM equipment and a bit of moderation they actually work fine.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying to get OEM pads again. BTW you can over heat R4s too, or any other pad if you abuse them.

Just carry more speed through the corners, then you don't have to worry about the brakes.