B16a2 swap into 95 civic dx (already searched)
06-18-2004, 08:50 PM
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B16a2 swap into 95 civic dx (already searched)
Ok all u vet's please list everything that I will need to get the swap done, and I mean everything.
I know I'll need the motor, where is the best place that i can get it for a fair price (osaka motorsports)? What parts of my car can i reuse on this engine *** mounts,shift linkage,exhaust,engine brackets***?
I want to buy the complete package all together ready to drop in ( engine,axles,tranny,shiftlinkage,mounts,brackets,i ntake manifold,headers....ex....everything) Will I need a new engine harness? What is all of this obd2 things? Sorry for asking alot of questions,but I'm a neew b and I want to get everything ready.
Any help is appreciated.
Any one in the garland tx area that is familiar with doing swaps?
I know I'll need the motor, where is the best place that i can get it for a fair price (osaka motorsports)? What parts of my car can i reuse on this engine *** mounts,shift linkage,exhaust,engine brackets***?
I want to buy the complete package all together ready to drop in ( engine,axles,tranny,shiftlinkage,mounts,brackets,i ntake manifold,headers....ex....everything) Will I need a new engine harness? What is all of this obd2 things? Sorry for asking alot of questions,but I'm a neew b and I want to get everything ready.
Any help is appreciated.
Any one in the garland tx area that is familiar with doing swaps?
06-18-2004, 08:52 PM
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Re: B16a2 swap into 95 civic dx (lakas187)
osaka sucks ***
http://www.hmotorsonline.com is the way to go...their swaps come with everything you need
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30005
- Motor
- Hydraulic Tranny (S21, Y21)
- ECU (P30)
- Axles with Half Shaft
- Shift Linkage
- Stock Motor Mounts *
- Alternator
- Starter
- Clutch
- Flywheel
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Distributor
- Engine Harness
- All Sensors
http://www.hmotorsonline.com is the way to go...their swaps come with everything you need
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30005
- Motor
- Hydraulic Tranny (S21, Y21)
- ECU (P30)
- Axles with Half Shaft
- Shift Linkage
- Stock Motor Mounts *
- Alternator
- Starter
- Clutch
- Flywheel
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Distributor
- Engine Harness
- All Sensors
06-18-2004, 09:00 PM
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GREAT company.. i just got my b18b from them 2 days ago and it was crazy clean.. i couldnt find anything wrong with it.. i put it in the same day got everything bolted up and plugged in and it started first try.. no codes no nothing.. i am very pleased with Steve at HMOTORSONLINE.COM
06-18-2004, 10:38 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...sting
IM NOT SELLING THIS!!!!
found it while searching parts for my b16...this would be perfect!....smog legal too...exept that ecu
IM NOT SELLING THIS!!!!
found it while searching parts for my b16...this would be perfect!....smog legal too...exept that ecu
06-18-2004, 10:43 PM
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Re: (Maverik4k)
i got my motor from hmotorsonline.com. got a jdm ls and jdm gsr. i had problems with some sensors, but steve took care of me 
just call him up and tell him what car you have and that you want a complete b16 swap for your car. he'll hook you up with what you need and it will come with everything needed.
i'm in texas. i can do the swap for you for 4 bills. just pm me if you want me to do the work for you. you will have to drive down to where i'm at so i can do the work in my shop. i have all the tools i need, so i wouldn't want to go to you to do the work and not have something i may need.
just call him up and tell him what car you have and that you want a complete b16 swap for your car. he'll hook you up with what you need and it will come with everything needed.
i'm in texas. i can do the swap for you for 4 bills. just pm me if you want me to do the work for you. you will have to drive down to where i'm at so i can do the work in my shop. i have all the tools i need, so i wouldn't want to go to you to do the work and not have something i may need.
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06-20-2004, 03:34 PM
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Re: B16a2 swap into 95 civic dx (jL iLLuZiOnz 9)
Sorry if this isn't 100% pertinent to your car, but here goes anyways:
Okay I have some more time to give a better answer to your question now.
First of all mounts:
For the timing cover side mount you will need to get the cast-iron bracket from any 1994-2001 Integra GS-R and also the aluminum mount as well. You can use the mount from a Del Sol VTEC as well, but not the 99-00 mount because it is totally different.
For the rear mount you will need to use a 1994-2001 Integra rear bracket. The actual rubber mount that bolts to the rear subframe can be the stock civic one. Check the 99-00 mount first and see if it will work too though before you go out and buy an Integra one. I used an Integra rear bracket on my fiancee's B16A2 swap in 1999, but the stock 99-00 one might work too.
The topside tranny mount can be the Civic DX one - it is the same thing.
The front mounting brackets need to be from an Integra 1004-2001, but if you want to keep A/C then get the A/C bracket for a Del Sol VTEC model. the actaul mounts that bolt to the underside of the framerails need to be the stock Civic ones.
I would also insert the energy Suspension mount inserts while you've got the mounts out.
For shift linkage the 99-00 Si linkage will bolt right up.
Axles can be either the 99-00 si axles or any 1994-2001 Integra axles. I'd try to get non-ABS ones as they are usually cheaper.
As I stated before I have a B16A2 swap in a 1992 Si hatchback as well as a B18C5 swap in a 1992 CX hatchback.
There are some differences in these swaps even though they are both "OBD2" swaps, and it all has to do with the factory engine harness that each engine comes with.
On the Integra the engine harness is exactly the same as any 1992-1995 Civic, but it just has a few extra sensor plugs, etc.
On the 99-00 Civic Si (B16A2) the engine harness is totally different from the Civic and Integra ones and CANNOT be used in the 1992-1995 Civic.
So what's the solution?
There are two ways that you can make the B16A2 swap very easy. One way makes it nearly plug and play, while the other requires a bit more work, but you could save some money in the process and it's still not hard at all.
Method number one:
Find any 1996-2001 Integra engine harness. Ideally it should be a GS-R or Type R unit, but if all you can find is an LS then it's only a few extra wires. I'd imagine they should not be too hard to come by and will cost probably no more than $100.00-$150.00 used and they are only $350.00 or so brand new from Honda if you need a reference point.
If you can locate the 96-01 engine harness then simply plug it into the engine and drop the engine in. Even though the harness is technically "OBD2" trust me it is a direct plug in for the 1992-1995 Civic on the underhood strut tower harnesses.
What ever you decide you should ditch the 99-00 Si ECU. It is OBD2 and horrible. What you'll need to run is a re-chipped P28 (1992-1995 SOHC VTEC ECU) from Kenji Plennert in Florida. His e-mail adress is kenji211@tampabay.rr.com - tell him Tom sent you from H-T. I run his ECU on my Type R swap and it is way better than any stock OBD2 crap ECU. even if you wanted to keep the 99-00 ECU you'd need to buy a jumper harness and wire up all of that extra OBD2 bullshit, which is not necessary.
If you run that re-chipped P28 and the 96-01 Integra harness then the swap is almost 100% plug and play. Hell in your Civic DX it will be nearly 100% plug and play if you find a GS-R or Type R harness. You will need to runa few wires for VTEC. My 1992 CX didn't require one single wire at all with my 1998 B18C5 swap because I used a re-chipped P28 and the Integra engine harness. Again your DX only needs a few wires.
Actually I just recalled that you will have to do a minor wiring modification for the IAT sensor. Simply extend the two wires for the intake air temperature sensor. For some reason the B16A2 is the only B motor that I know od that locates its IAT sensor into the actual intake tubing rather than the intake manifold itself. for this reason you must simply extend the existing two wires for that sensor on the engine harness to stretch from the intake manifold (where it is on the Integra) to whatever intake arm you decide to run.
Method Number Two:
If you are just way too broke to buy a used 96-01 Integra engine harness, you can use your stock Civic harness. It will require more work, but if you don't mind that then you could save some money. I'll go ahead and tell you that if I were you I'd really try to find that Integra engine harness, but here goes anyways.
To use your stock Civic harness you will need to do some minor wiring changes and a few other things. It's not hard and if you just breathe deeply and read this I think you'll find it to be prety easy actually. I used this method back in 1999 when I put a B16A2 into my fiancee's car, and I did not know that the 96-01 Integra harness would make it near plug and play.
Change #1:
First of all there will be a minor difference in the plug style on the distributor. Some people will say :"get an OBD1 distributor" but they must think that OBD1 distributors are cheap or easy to find used. The B16A2 distributor will have one big plug on it, while your stock Civic and it's engine harness has two plugs. All you have to do is unpin the two lowest fat wires from the B16A2 distributor and repin them into the extra plug on the VX engine harness.
Here's a picture of the B16A2 distributor. The arrows are pointing to the wires you need to unpin. This is a picture of an unaltered B16A2 distributor:
So here's that extra plug on your VX harness with the two wires already ran into it. Notice the wires are the exact same color, making it "idiot proof" so to speak. i'm glad they decided to keep the same colors:
Okay that takes care of that.
Change #2:
The plug on the B16A2 alternator won't plug into your DX harness. There are two ways around this. You could either find an OBD1 B Series distributor, or you can swap the voltage regulator from your VX alternator into the B16A2 housing. The B16A2 will have a square plug while the VX harness will have a round plug. Simply pull both alternators apart and swap the voltage regulator. You'll know which part it is because the plug is part of it. A few 8mm and 10mm bolts are all that stand in your way.
Change #3:
Injectors.
The B16A2 uses OBD2 style injector plugs that will not plug into your DX harness. You can either buy new OBD1 injecotrs for a 1994-1995 Del Sol VTEC or just use your stock Civic DX injectors. I still run the 1992 Civic Si injectors in my fiancee's B16A2 and it dynoed the same or better as any other B16A2 with i/h/e in my area with 143whp with 102 ft-lbs. of torque.
Okay I have some more time to give a better answer to your question now.
First of all mounts:
For the timing cover side mount you will need to get the cast-iron bracket from any 1994-2001 Integra GS-R and also the aluminum mount as well. You can use the mount from a Del Sol VTEC as well, but not the 99-00 mount because it is totally different.
For the rear mount you will need to use a 1994-2001 Integra rear bracket. The actual rubber mount that bolts to the rear subframe can be the stock civic one. Check the 99-00 mount first and see if it will work too though before you go out and buy an Integra one. I used an Integra rear bracket on my fiancee's B16A2 swap in 1999, but the stock 99-00 one might work too.
The topside tranny mount can be the Civic DX one - it is the same thing.
The front mounting brackets need to be from an Integra 1004-2001, but if you want to keep A/C then get the A/C bracket for a Del Sol VTEC model. the actaul mounts that bolt to the underside of the framerails need to be the stock Civic ones.
I would also insert the energy Suspension mount inserts while you've got the mounts out.
For shift linkage the 99-00 Si linkage will bolt right up.
Axles can be either the 99-00 si axles or any 1994-2001 Integra axles. I'd try to get non-ABS ones as they are usually cheaper.
As I stated before I have a B16A2 swap in a 1992 Si hatchback as well as a B18C5 swap in a 1992 CX hatchback.
There are some differences in these swaps even though they are both "OBD2" swaps, and it all has to do with the factory engine harness that each engine comes with.
On the Integra the engine harness is exactly the same as any 1992-1995 Civic, but it just has a few extra sensor plugs, etc.
On the 99-00 Civic Si (B16A2) the engine harness is totally different from the Civic and Integra ones and CANNOT be used in the 1992-1995 Civic.
So what's the solution?
There are two ways that you can make the B16A2 swap very easy. One way makes it nearly plug and play, while the other requires a bit more work, but you could save some money in the process and it's still not hard at all.
Method number one:
Find any 1996-2001 Integra engine harness. Ideally it should be a GS-R or Type R unit, but if all you can find is an LS then it's only a few extra wires. I'd imagine they should not be too hard to come by and will cost probably no more than $100.00-$150.00 used and they are only $350.00 or so brand new from Honda if you need a reference point.
If you can locate the 96-01 engine harness then simply plug it into the engine and drop the engine in. Even though the harness is technically "OBD2" trust me it is a direct plug in for the 1992-1995 Civic on the underhood strut tower harnesses.
What ever you decide you should ditch the 99-00 Si ECU. It is OBD2 and horrible. What you'll need to run is a re-chipped P28 (1992-1995 SOHC VTEC ECU) from Kenji Plennert in Florida. His e-mail adress is kenji211@tampabay.rr.com - tell him Tom sent you from H-T. I run his ECU on my Type R swap and it is way better than any stock OBD2 crap ECU. even if you wanted to keep the 99-00 ECU you'd need to buy a jumper harness and wire up all of that extra OBD2 bullshit, which is not necessary.
If you run that re-chipped P28 and the 96-01 Integra harness then the swap is almost 100% plug and play. Hell in your Civic DX it will be nearly 100% plug and play if you find a GS-R or Type R harness. You will need to runa few wires for VTEC. My 1992 CX didn't require one single wire at all with my 1998 B18C5 swap because I used a re-chipped P28 and the Integra engine harness. Again your DX only needs a few wires.
Actually I just recalled that you will have to do a minor wiring modification for the IAT sensor. Simply extend the two wires for the intake air temperature sensor. For some reason the B16A2 is the only B motor that I know od that locates its IAT sensor into the actual intake tubing rather than the intake manifold itself. for this reason you must simply extend the existing two wires for that sensor on the engine harness to stretch from the intake manifold (where it is on the Integra) to whatever intake arm you decide to run.
Method Number Two:
If you are just way too broke to buy a used 96-01 Integra engine harness, you can use your stock Civic harness. It will require more work, but if you don't mind that then you could save some money. I'll go ahead and tell you that if I were you I'd really try to find that Integra engine harness, but here goes anyways.
To use your stock Civic harness you will need to do some minor wiring changes and a few other things. It's not hard and if you just breathe deeply and read this I think you'll find it to be prety easy actually. I used this method back in 1999 when I put a B16A2 into my fiancee's car, and I did not know that the 96-01 Integra harness would make it near plug and play.
Change #1:
First of all there will be a minor difference in the plug style on the distributor. Some people will say :"get an OBD1 distributor" but they must think that OBD1 distributors are cheap or easy to find used. The B16A2 distributor will have one big plug on it, while your stock Civic and it's engine harness has two plugs. All you have to do is unpin the two lowest fat wires from the B16A2 distributor and repin them into the extra plug on the VX engine harness.
Here's a picture of the B16A2 distributor. The arrows are pointing to the wires you need to unpin. This is a picture of an unaltered B16A2 distributor:
So here's that extra plug on your VX harness with the two wires already ran into it. Notice the wires are the exact same color, making it "idiot proof" so to speak. i'm glad they decided to keep the same colors:
Okay that takes care of that.
Change #2:
The plug on the B16A2 alternator won't plug into your DX harness. There are two ways around this. You could either find an OBD1 B Series distributor, or you can swap the voltage regulator from your VX alternator into the B16A2 housing. The B16A2 will have a square plug while the VX harness will have a round plug. Simply pull both alternators apart and swap the voltage regulator. You'll know which part it is because the plug is part of it. A few 8mm and 10mm bolts are all that stand in your way.
Change #3:
Injectors.
The B16A2 uses OBD2 style injector plugs that will not plug into your DX harness. You can either buy new OBD1 injecotrs for a 1994-1995 Del Sol VTEC or just use your stock Civic DX injectors. I still run the 1992 Civic Si injectors in my fiancee's B16A2 and it dynoed the same or better as any other B16A2 with i/h/e in my area with 143whp with 102 ft-lbs. of torque.
06-20-2004, 03:39 PM
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Re: B16a2 swap into 95 civic dx (lakas187)
BTW:
The absolutely best engine supplier hands down is Import Auto Salvage - period.
If you want the most complete swap shipped to your door, then call them at 1-800-962-8922.
I do not work for them, but I have personally bought two swaps from them and my shop has gotten numerous swaps from them as well. Plenty of my best friends have gotten 2 and even 3 swaps from them too.
Every single one was complete as in:
Engine
Tranny
All mounts
ECU
Engine harness
All accessories - distributor, alternator, starter, etc.
Shift linkage with pins
Axles
*All hoses uncut and capped off!
*Exhaust manifold with catalytic convertor and o2 sensors if applicable!
*Box of a bunch of extra suspension and engine mount bolts
The * denotes items that you will not get with any other company that I'm aware of. All sensors are guaranteed not to be broken too, which is important.
The absolutely best engine supplier hands down is Import Auto Salvage - period.
If you want the most complete swap shipped to your door, then call them at 1-800-962-8922.
I do not work for them, but I have personally bought two swaps from them and my shop has gotten numerous swaps from them as well. Plenty of my best friends have gotten 2 and even 3 swaps from them too.
Every single one was complete as in:
Engine
Tranny
All mounts
ECU
Engine harness
All accessories - distributor, alternator, starter, etc.
Shift linkage with pins
Axles
*All hoses uncut and capped off!
*Exhaust manifold with catalytic convertor and o2 sensors if applicable!
*Box of a bunch of extra suspension and engine mount bolts
The * denotes items that you will not get with any other company that I'm aware of. All sensors are guaranteed not to be broken too, which is important.
06-21-2004, 02:15 PM
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Re: (lakas187)
man i wouild go with steve at hmotorsonline.com i got mine from there and love it no problems with it at all had it for 2 years now.All my boys also gets it from steve and had no problems.just my .02 cent
06-21-2004, 02:31 PM
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Re: (lakas187)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lakas187 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok so the best place's to buy the engines from are,
1st. Import auto salvage
2nd hmotors online
Do both of the place's send you sparkly clean motors?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Both companies are very reputable, but only I.A.S offers the complete catalytic convertor, extra nts and bolts, etc. and all the hoses ans sensors are intact every time.
I have only read ONE complaint ever about I.A.S, and it wa the customer's fault for asking for the wrong brake parts for his disc swap.
The prices at I.A.S might be a bit higher, but you get more.
1st. Import auto salvage
2nd hmotors online
Do both of the place's send you sparkly clean motors?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Both companies are very reputable, but only I.A.S offers the complete catalytic convertor, extra nts and bolts, etc. and all the hoses ans sensors are intact every time.
I have only read ONE complaint ever about I.A.S, and it wa the customer's fault for asking for the wrong brake parts for his disc swap.
The prices at I.A.S might be a bit higher, but you get more.
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