I just bought a 'teg w/ Recaro racing seats and Weapon-R 4-point harnesses. The rear seats are taken out becuz of the custom sub enclosure, and the harnesses are mounted where the rear seat belts use to mount. Someone at a local shop said he thinks I could get hurt worse in an accident having them mounted where they are. Is this true? Why or why not? Where should they be mounted w/ out a roll cage.
Thanks

 

thats an argument that will never end.
mu.02 is check where your shoulder is on the seat, is it above the harness hole, or below. and do you trust the seats will not give in an accident?
yes it is safer to mount it on the harness bar, but i think mounted on the floor is ok,

 

my shoulders are below the holes where the belts come over, but the belt on the right tends to pull towards to left side

 

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with your shoulder below the harness hole, you should be ok as long as the seats are good quality and don't brake in a accident, as the seats will be taking the presure from the belts mounted on the floor. but i'm not too sure about weapon R harness, are they tested and aproved?

 

they are geunuine Recaro bucket seats ($800 a piece when he bought em), and not sure if weapon R is approved, etc.

 

well i was watching an episode of trucks on spiketv.. and that one guy said that its not a good idea to have ur harness sholder straps below ur sholders because if u break hard, or get into an accident, u can break ur spine/back.. and ur SOL.. he said to mount them right behind ur sholders.. but then dont try to get anyone in the back seat, if thats ur plan

 

what do you mean by below your shoulders? like beind the seat? i have no rear seats right now (see below)

 

ok i don't think that is safe, but there is nowhere else to mount it. i recomend a roll bar with a harness bar, it should fit in your car even with the stereo system in it.

 

ya dude ive been in a crash with 4 point harness it freaking hurts more but you dont hit anything
anyways you need to mount it somewere else

 

they are only unsafe when youre in an accident

 

Harnesses are generally unsafe if you do not have some sort of cage. If you are in a roll over without a cage, your going to get squished since your body cant more out of the way.

 

dont they make a bar, like a towerbrace bar or something that connects between the 2 seetbellt mounting points on the upper part of the car? and u can attach the straps to that?

i member they make one, not sure if its for stability on corners or serves as a mounting point for ur harness, or if its for both

anyone know what im talkin about

 

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i member they make one, not sure if its for stability on corners or serves as a mounting point for ur harness, or if its for both

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Attaching you belts to a C-pillar bar is a huge mistake. In the event of a front end collision it will not hold. You are going to eat a lot of steering wheel.

I don't have the Weapon-R harnesses but I do have Scroth Rally 4's and per the directions the D mounting point (backseat shoulder mount) is preferred if you don't have a cage. That mount point is designed to withstand the forces in an accident, that's why you use it.

Using the rear lower lap belt buckles is a bad idea because the down angle is to steep. As I understand it it's not the location of the holes relative to your shoulders it's the angle of the rear belt relative from horizontal. The more down angle you have, the more pressure will be placed on your spine. Not only in the event of a rollover but also in the event of a front end collision.

Now, about whether or not it's a good idea.

Safety is a personal issue and you need to look at the factors involved. For me, I never wear my harness on the street, it's for autox only just to hold me in place better than the oem belts. I think they are unsafe on a daily driver for the simple reason that you ability to turn and check your blindspots is impossible, at least in mine. Forget trying to back up and it takes a bit longer to put them on makes it a huge inconvenience.

 

yea its a c-pillar bar, and no its not for harnesses - even though that install is a far cry from how it should be, it is above your shoulders, and mounted to where seat belts used to be mounted - but i wouldnt want to be the one to test if it works

 

Off the subject but that sub is huge! What type of sub is it?

 

it's only a JL 12" with two JL 10's

 

yeah i saw that too. if you mount it incorrectly all the energy can end up being transfered to your spine, and with too much force it makes it go crunch.

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i think your talking about the lokar bar or something let me find it. btw thats really unsafe to bolt to the rear upper seat belt.


heres the link for the harness bar http://www.lokarmotorsports.com/harnessbar.html



Carlo

 

I wouldn't put them there, the teg has (from what Ive heard) 14 crumple zones, your harnesses cross into three different zones, in the event of an acident the car could crumple where it's supposed to causing your belts to slacken and or become useless. Not to mention you could compress your spine real bad in a front or rear collision.. tampering with safety equipment isn't woth it.. also make sure you used good quality mounting bolts on your buckets, the cheap ones snap on impact putting you into the wheel. Good luck, may you neve need it.. ;-)

Dominic

 

I would go back to stock, Weapon R safety equipment

There is a lot of talk as to their safety in a rollover without a cage, or rollbar at least. I would wait until you get a cage or something before you continue using the 4pt harness, safety isn't somethin you wanna be kinda sure about. If you aren't racing your car, which I assume you aren't judgin by that audio setup, then you may as well just go back to stock.