I know this has been posted once before, but it didn't help

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Which one would give me more horse power for the money, and less headache? I own a 91 civic Hatch DX.

Current modifications are:

cold air intake.
muffler

Getting:

headers
cat-back

 

Super for Torque..... Turbo for HP.... eithers a good way to go... Turbo you have more headaches with but higher ability for upgrades...... super is basically you get what you see

 

How much horse power would you get from a supercharger anyway?

What's the horse power differance between the two as a estimate?

I've been looking at these two kits, but one comes without a bov and waste gate and stuff, and the other does. What's the differance in the two? Do you really need a BOV, WG, BC, etc?

Here's the supercharger:


Jackson Racing, having successfully supercharged and tuned the Acura RSX Type-S, eagerly anticipated the delivery of the new Civic SI. Honda's new K20A3 engine offers a strong torque curve from throttle input all the way to redline. Large valves and a square bore and stroke (86mm x 86mm) were ideal for making power. However, the K20A3 engine didn't have a high-speed cam, thus its 6500 RPM redline proved to be a challenge to making big power gains. So, Jackson Racing built the SI Supercharger system around its new Gen IV JR62 Supercharger. Utilizing the latest fourth-generation Eaton Rotor Group supercharger, Jackson Racing designed and developed a proprietary housing with improved intake and discharge port timing. The result is a highly efficient supercharger that creates boost more quickly while also reducing discharge temperatures. Fuel Management is provided by Jackson Racing's Powercard with digital tuning technology. This simple but effective plug-and-play system takes full control of the fuel injector only under boost. The gains in power are truly impressive. The Street version, which carries CARB EO #D-344-11, had a horsepower increase of 42% to 178.6 and 149.3 lb-ft of torque compared to a baseline of 125.3 HP/115.9 lb-ft of torque. Stay tuned for the release of Jackson Racing's higher-boost Race Supercharger!

and the turbo:

http://www.makeitfast.com/prod.../2017

 

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it didnt help?? its been covered many many times. and there alot of threads about this.. it didnt help because you didnt search.

supercharger: there are only a few or even just one kit out there for honda. look into jackson racing superchargers

turbo: there are many kits , manifolds, and ways to put a kit together.

look more into it in the FI forum

 

it depends... different cars different setups different HP and TQ....... can't really estimate that ****

 

rough estimate?

Between 20 and 30 or?

 

more like 0-400

on a supercharger u are limited due to not many kits out there and u can only boost it up according to the especifications on the kit and the hardwear

on a turbo the limit its up to you engine

 

Found an engine swap for $1250. Should I get that or put a turbo on what I have now?

 

go supercharer turbo...that always works....custom that ****...lol.....torque and hp...lol...since the question has been asked so much....get best of both worlds...

 

What is a supercharger Turbo?

 

lol...nuf said....its a joke man....

 

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its been done before...on the meguairs integra type R, sick car if yo havent seen it yet...this was a good 2 years ago when they did this atleast

 

Well there would be a few things i would look at....First how much do you want to mess with it?? Do you want it to be something you bolt on and forget about? If so go with a supercharger. A turbo will always be more headaches (even though people will argue that) you have to worry about more fuel management and such but then again if you want to go with a more psi pulley on a supercharger you will also have to deal with that as well.

Second thing is how much money do you want to spend?? Dollar for Dollar your going to get more power out of a turbo (for the most part) but then if your looking at spending like $2000 on a turbo setup that gives you like 6-7 lbs of boost thats going to be about the same amount of power and price for a supercharger (d16a6 supercharger any other one (d16z6, d16y8) is more expensive)

BUT with you seeming to be new to working on cars I would either wait until you learn more before you start boosting or go with a supercharger since they are basically maintence free.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Zukin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How much horse power would you get from a supercharger anyway?

What's the horse power differance between the two as a estimate?

I've been looking at these two kits, but one comes without a bov and waste gate and stuff, and the other does. What's the differance in the two? Do you really need a BOV, WG, BC, etc?

Here's the supercharger:


Jackson Racing, having successfully supercharged and tuned the Acura RSX Type-S, eagerly anticipated the delivery of the new Civic SI. Honda's new K20A3 engine offers a strong torque curve from throttle input all the way to redline. Large valves and a square bore and stroke (86mm x 86mm) were ideal for making power. However, the K20A3 engine didn't have a high-speed cam, thus its 6500 RPM redline proved to be a challenge to making big power gains. So, Jackson Racing built the SI Supercharger system around its new Gen IV JR62 Supercharger. Utilizing the latest fourth-generation Eaton Rotor Group supercharger, Jackson Racing designed and developed a proprietary housing with improved intake and discharge port timing. The result is a highly efficient supercharger that creates boost more quickly while also reducing discharge temperatures. Fuel Management is provided by Jackson Racing's Powercard with digital tuning technology. This simple but effective plug-and-play system takes full control of the fuel injector only under boost. The gains in power are truly impressive. The Street version, which carries CARB EO #D-344-11, had a horsepower increase of 42% to 178.6 and 149.3 lb-ft of torque compared to a baseline of 125.3 HP/115.9 lb-ft of torque. Stay tuned for the release of Jackson Racing's higher-boost Race Supercharger!

and the turbo:

http://www.makeitfast.com/prod.../2017

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"I've been looking at these two kits, but one comes without a bov and waste gate and stuff, and the other does. What's the differance in the two? Do you really need a BOV, WG, BC, etc?"

---- and you own a honda?? and wanna turbo or sc this hatch? get real and go learn **** before you look retarded and ask if you need a wastegate on a turbocharger

 

For one, this isnt my car, for 2, its my buddies and I was helping him out - he has no internet.

Secondly, I know how to work on cars, and I'm a girl..... Ive been working on cars for a while now, as I currently own a RX-7.

So if you want to talk **** about something you dont know, then whatever.

I was just helping out a friend, not having to be flamed.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Zukin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For one, this isnt my car, for 2, its my buddies and I was helping him out - he has no internet.

Secondly, I know how to work on cars, and I'm a girl..... Ive been working on cars for a while now, as I currently own a RX-7.

So if you want to talk **** about something you dont know, then whatever.

I was just helping out a friend, not having to be flamed.

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i dont think he was tryin to flame you...just merely sayin watch out cuz u dont want to spend a lot of money and blow your motor...cuz it happens to first time FI peeps...just lookin out u know

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Zukin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For one, this isnt my car, for 2, its my buddies and I was helping him out - he has no internet.

Secondly, I know how to work on cars, and I'm a girl..... Ive been working on cars for a while now, as I currently own a RX-7.

So if you want to talk **** about something you dont know, then whatever.

I was just helping out a friend, not having to be flamed.

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OK well first you didnt say anything about that this is for "a friend" you kept on saying "I" and "mine" so how is anyone suppose to know its not for you??

As for you saying you know how to work on cars first being a girl has nothing to do with it there are plenty of girls on here that know their ****. And how is anyone suppose to know that you do with some of the questions you DID ask?? I mean you (or your friend for that matter??) really should do some more reading before you go and make that kind of investment with FI.

I mean that is a pretty lame question to ask.......

"I've been looking at these two kits, but one comes without a bov and waste gate and stuff, and the other does. What's the differance in the two? Do you really need a BOV, WG, BC, etc?"

I mean if you dont know these simple things you (or again "your friend") shouldnt be boosting until you learn some more.

And no one is flaming you just trying to help you out before you go and spend that kind of money on something you dont know pretty much anything about.

 

roots type blowers are 60s technology.

turbo all the way.

being able to up the boost without changing a pulley is a plus, as well as being able to intercool the charge.

 

i agree with vince, i mean honestly if you stick a sc on your car without knowing anything about it or how it works then your just gonna end up blowing up your motor. it would be advisable to go read up on it and learn before, but if you dotn wanan do that then i would suggest a sc professionally installed.

this does bring up a good point, about how much people out there just wanna dive into something without first learning about it. reminds me of ricer spoiled rich kids who dont know anything about car, ask there parents to buy a turbo for them, blow there motor and then gets a motor swap courtesy of mommy and daddy.

 

Turbo by far, I've had mine for 2 monthes now and i don't think i'll ever drive nething elese. I havnt had any problems yet beside oil! But big ups to JUNK YARD TURBO . Going to the dyno next week i'll post #'s.

 

i did a turbo setup but if you want to go the easy cheap way go jackson but it is hard to cool the charge but if you are not going to build the motor you will be ok. but it just depends what you want to do with the car i like my turbo alot but a jackson used would have been cheeper.

 

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What an ignorant statement... the turbocharger was invented in 1905. By your logic the 60's sounds pretty high-tech.

 

Saying S/C for TQ and Turbo for HP is pretty illogical if you think about it. Both produce an impressive amount of HP & TQ accordingly.

Supercharging Honda's just isn't as well developed as turboing them is. With the development of anti-lag, turbo's are where it's at in a race oriented car.

Twincharged vehicles have been around for a while. Detroit diesel started this a while back.

 

in my opinion roots blowers aren't the way to go. IF you can get a Comptech Supercharger, Vortec Supercharger, or Powercharger Supercharger... They have higher possibilities for power... not to mention, they sound nicer too